Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha CRT: Addressing Venuzdonoa’s “Logic Manipulation”

[TheGreatJedi13]

rechecked just now. then i agree
but whoever is giving ideas that somehow it becomes a unique ability? is it being genuinely argued as such in any way?

 

[CloverDragon03]

rechecked just now. then i agree
but whoever is giving ideas that somehow it becomes a unique ability? is it being genuinely argued as such in any way?

Earlier on in this thread, for instance, the prevailing argument was that because of how "logic" is treated in-verse, it can't just be Law Manipulation. However, given what Venuzdonoa's destruction of reason seems to entail (given some of the examples I showed in the OP, and also stuff like "destroying the reason why getting wrong test answers means you didn't get a perfect score"), I'd be inclined to disagree

 

[CloverDragon03]

Anyways, I'd rather get as much staff input as possible, so I'll call some more staff.

@UchihaSlayer96 @Armorchompy @Emirp sumitpo @Duedate8898 @Everything12 @Agnaa @FinePoint @Propellus Apologies for the mass ping, but what do you think of the proposals in the OP? Dereck's response to it can also be found here, and my response to it here.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Anyways, I'd rather get as much staff input as possible, so I'll call some more staff.

@UchihaSlayer96 @Armorchompy @Emirp sumitpo @Duedate8898 @Everything12 @Agnaa @FinePoint @Propellus Apologies for the mass ping, but what do you think of the proposals in the OP?

You should also link Dereck's response

 

[CloverDragon03]

You should also link Dereck's response

Should I also link my response to Dereck or nah?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You should also link Dereck's response

Here

 

[Dog3352]

Although resisting the most powerful Law Manipulation definitely does not guarantee resistance to Logic Manipulation (literally Logic Manipulation is overcoming layers without having any kind of buff or anything like that), and the ability is obviously separate from Law Manipulation, being something completely different, more fundamental and powerful, I believe that this does not matter much, since in addition to not having "Logic Manipulation" as something separate from Law Manipulation, there is also the fact that this still falls under Law Manipulation.
I believe that the ability to be moved as "Greater Law Manipulation" is the most reasonable, and if you want, in the future you can do a CRT on MGK's Logic Manipulation.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Should I also link my response to Dereck or nah?

Sure, but at that point I would personally hold voting until Dereck can answer as a common courtesy

If you feel it unneeded, proceed

 

[CloverDragon03]

Sure, but at that point I would personally hold voting until Dereck can answer as a common courtesy

If you feel it unneeded, proceed

True, though Dereck's also gonna be busy for much of March going by what he said when voicing his disagreement, so I don't want to make him feel like he has to respond if he has more important obligations

 

[Duedate8898]

So I generally agree with not listing the power as Logic Manipulation, but I would also argue that what's been described in the given scans and feats on the profile that you brought up Clover, is Causality Manipulation (which could be treated as what we consider logic manipulation on here). The fact that Anos can cut someone without having to swing his blade or hit even when he missed feels far more clearly like he's ignoring causality under the name of logic. So I less think we should remove logic manipulation and just give it the proper power which would be Causality Manipulation.

 

[CloverDragon03]

So I generally agree with not listing the power as Logic Manipulation, but I would also argue that what's been described in the given scans and feats on the profile that you brought up Clover, is Causality Manipulation (which could be treated as what we consider logic manipulation on here). The fact that Anos can cut someone without having to swing his blade or hit even when he missed feels far more clearly like he's ignoring causality under the name of logic. So I less think we should remove logic manipulation and just give it the proper power which would be Causality Manipulation.

I suppose that's fair. Really, my main issue was the fact that it was labeled as some made-up ability that doesn't exist on the wiki, so if we're in agreement on that front, I can put you as agreeing but noting that you feel it should be Causality Manipulation (I'm open to that as well if people think that's what it should be)

Edit: Also worth noting that Venuzdonoa does actually have Causality Manipulation already, via reversing cause and effect to make a slower attack move faster than a faster one.

 

[Deagonx]

The proposed changes make sense to me.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

The OP makes sense to me. I also sorta agree with Duedate that it does sound like Causality Manipulation, but I don't really feel too strongly about it either way.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Okay. Given that this is well past the grace period and there's 7 evaluating staff that agree vs. 2 that disagree, I will go ahead and apply this thread. I'll need this profile to be unlocked

 

[CloverDragon03]

I've removed the Logic Manipulation. This thread can now be closed

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Oki doke. Closing.