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From my understanding, Healing is very close to regeneration.Are healing can make someone alive again???
I think healing just heal some part of body, not bring back someone from absolute destruction of body
Resurrection is also not passive and can be used on others, then why not that? And why specifically healing? Can you please elaborate on that?So that is why it qualifies for healing. I hope i explained it good enough, sadly I have never been a good debater or good at English
Here's the link the OP wants to nerf high godly regen because, for some really weird reason, they think Agronemt is not passive. Even though it literally says it is passive? It activates instantly after Anos destroys Avos's source he argued that Revide was used even thoughCould you post that argument here?
Kinda is. If some ability works always on its own w/o u need to consciously activate it or anything like such. It is passive.Automatic is not passive. You can have automatic resurrection.
Ingall is explicitly classified as a resurrection, while Agronemt is not.Automatic is not passive. You can have automatic resurrection.
Jesus Christ, this can't be real. Do you not know the definition of automatic?Automatic is not passive.
The argument is that the spell has to be cast before hand, as a sort of precaution that only activates upon the conditions being met (in this case, dying to High-Godly damage).Here's the link the OP wants to nerf high godly regen because, for some really weird reason, they think Agronemt is not passive. Even though it literally says it is passive? It activates instantly after Anos destroys Avos's source he argued that Revide was used even though
1. There's no proof of that being the case
2. All subtext in the chapter points to that not being the case (Avos literally thinks she's won due to getting the 1 up on Anos after stealing Venuz and has no idea that Muave eyes is a thing or that it can negate Venuz's order)
If "Avos Dilhevia's source shattered, but the agronemt magic circle in her body immediately activated and regenerated her source" is not enough proof of it being passive then we might as well rework 99.9% of series that have similar, and sometimes even less direct scans.
OP has yet to respond to this in the maou general discussion thread or here
The word "immediately" isn't a sufficient defeater here, as she could have intentionally activated the spell as soon as she died. You're right that many profiles get the healing/regen distinction.If "Avos Dilhevia's source shattered, but the agronemt magic circle in her body immediately activated and regenerated her source" is not enough proof of it being passive then we might as well rework 99.9% of series that have similar, and sometimes even less direct scans.
This scan appears to demonstrate that he says it out loud to cast it, not that it occurs by itself.We also see it when Anos destroyed Nosgalia's source and instantly regenerated it using his own experience with agronemt as a point of origin so he didn't need a pre-cast using rivide, etc. (Scan)
This scans shows that the magic circle within her activated the moment the her source shattered.We see it with Avos, the moment her source was destroyed simply the spell activates by itself. (Scan)
(I actually used this scan in this CRT proposal)We also see it when Anos destroyed Nosgalia's source and instantly regenerated it using his own experience with agronemt as a point of origin so he didn't need a pre-cast using rivide, etc. (Scan) And in case you're wondering why Nosgalia didn't use agronemt to regenerate, the gods don't need that spell to do it since they do it naturally, plus his regeneration was being negated that's why Anos had to revive him.
I hope you read what I said that it was Anos who did it and not the user who had his source destroyed.This scan appears to demonstrate that he says it out loud to cast it, not that it occurs by itself.
in case you're wondering why Nosgalia didn't use agronemt to regenerate, the gods don't need that spell to do it since they do it naturally, plus his regeneration was being negated that's why Anos had to revive him.
Her source was regenerated after being shattered. And I will tell you why I think your POV is incorrect, because agronemt was cast apparently automatically without the need of a previous cast to regenerate the destroyed source. Moreover, you have no proof that the magic circle was there previously, since it is only activated if the source is destroyed.This scans shows that the magic circle within her activated the moment the her source shattered.
From my point of view, It seems like the magic circle within her was already their before, and was only activated when her source shattered. Rather then instantly being casted and activated the moment her source was shattered.
A bit irrelevant since the soul has nothing to do here, moreover the source was already destroyed and agronemt regenerated it at the same moment it happened.as it was stated by Anos, that "Agronemt" can't be casted by whose soul has already disapeared, but it can still be activated.
Here you are wrong in many things, first Anos did not " heal" Nosgalia's source, Venuzdonoa "destroyed" Nosgalia's source and Anos regenerated it and left it at 10% of its usual capacity. And the last thing you said makes no sense since agronemt works the same way for all users.(I actually used this scan in this CRT proposal)
Either way, this scan only further proves that it is healing and Not regeneration. We see Anos cast Agronemt to heal Nosalgia's source. Natrually, Anos dosen't need to use Rivide here since he needs to heal Nosalgia in the Present, not the future. I am pretty sure I mentioned the Rivide step could be skipped if needed to be used in the present instead of the future.
There is no proof of her having used it beforehand, if she did there would be mention of it. Or better yet a literal visual of her doing so in the anime, spoiler alert there is none. Once again, that is an assumption without any remotely solid proof or even evidence behind it. Meanwhile, we have not only the scan clearly stating that the magic circle immediately activated after her source was destroyed but even proof from Dereck's post clearly explaining that Agronemt activates passively after source destruction. Unless OP or anyone who agrees with the thread provides proof, at the end of the day it'll just be a false claimThe argument is that the spell has to be cast before hand, as a sort of precaution that only activates upon the conditions being met (in this case, dying to High-Godly damage).
This argument is not mutually exclusive to the text provided: in fact, the phrasing of "automatically activated" seems to even vaguely support it, since that would be a very weird phrasing for something that's passive.
The scans in the OP also directly support the position of the OP: this is an ability that needs to be set up beforehand. It doesn't appear to be a passive.
I'm still fine with changing it to Resurrection.
In the anime also it showed, after her source is destroyed it immediately came back, and there was no magic circle casted before that.From my point of view, It seems like the magic circle within her was already their before, and was only activated when her source shattered. Rather then instantly being casted and activated the moment her source was shattered, as it was stated by Anos, that "Agronemt" can't be casted by whose soul has already disapeared, but it can still be activated.
In the anime also it showed, after her source is destroyed it immediately came back, and there was no magic circle casted before that.
Skip to 29 seconds.
In the anime also it showed, after her source is destroyed it immediately came back, and there was no magic circle casted before that.
Skip to 29 seconds.
Their is nothing to prove that It was casted after her source was destroyed, nor is their for it already being their. All we have is the phrasing. Whice you and I interpt very differenty.Her source was regenerated after being shattered. And I will tell you why I think your POV is incorrect, because agronemt was cast apparently automatically without the need of a previous cast to regenerate the destroyed source. Moreover, you have no proof that the magic circle was there previously, since it is only activated if the source is destroyed.
I don't see how it is irrelevent that We had confirmation earlier in the series, that we gain confirmation of that Agronemt can be activated after the source ahs disapeared but not be casted.A bit irrelevant since the soul has nothing to do here, moreover the source was already destroyed and agronemt regenerated it at the same moment it happened.
Did you and I read the same scan?Here you are wrong in many things, first Anos did not " heal" Nosgalia's source, Venuzdonoa "destroyed" Nosgalia's source and Anos regenerated it and left it at 10% of its usual capacity. And the last thing you said makes no sense since agronemt works the same way for all users.
Explain to me how this is not "Anos healing Nosalgia" by vs battle standard for healing?"Agronemt," I said, regenerating Nosalgia's source.
Dude for the love of god, quit it. There is literal proof in the novel and even the anime clip that's been sent, how hard-headed do you have to be to not comprehend something so blatant and simple?Their is nothing to prove that It was casted after her source was destroyed, nor is their for it already being their. All we have is the phrasing. Whice you and I interpt very differenty.
Automatic is distinct from passive. An ability/skill which automatically activates under certain conditions is indeed treated distinct from some innate physiology related trait which doesn’t activate in the sense of an ability or skill being activated but instead acting more like a natural process that’s just always there and “active” rather than something being activated. I’m also pretty sure this wiki differentiates automatic and passive abilities.Jesus Christ, this can't be real. Do you not know the definition of automatic?
I'm genuinely shocked dude
Yes, the phrasing supports my instance of it showing the moment her source is destroyed. And satoshi already shared the anime version.Their is nothing to prove that It was casted after her source was destroyed, nor is their for it already being their. All we have is the phrasing. Whice you and I interpt very differenty.
Not to be rude but i can't understand what are you saying with that spelling.I don't see how it is irrelevent that We had confirmation earlier in the series, that we gain confirmation of that Agronemt can be activated after the source ahs disapeared but not be casted.
Did you and I read the same scan?
Explain to me how this is not "Anos healing Nosalgia" by vs battle standard for healing?
Regenerating, not healing, also..."Agronemt," I said, regenerating Nosalgia's source.
You don't heal anything, you regenerate with it, and yes, it can be used without casting it as showed above.And What do you mean "What you said makes no sense"
Natrually The spell that sends the spell into the future dosen't need to be used if you need to heal something in the present.
Here the ability is triggered when the source is destroyed and regenerates, literally the requirement is that the source is destroyed, if not there is no regeneration in the first place, so technically speaking we are facing an ability that will automatically activate when these requirements are met, it is the same as passively, as it requires the death of the user.Automatic is indeed distinct from passive. An ability/skill which automatically activates under certain conditions is indeed treated distinct from some innate physiology related trait which doesn’t activate in the sense of an ability or skill being activated but instead acting more like a natural process that’s just always there and “active”. I’m also pretty sure this wiki differentiates automatic and passive abilities.
From the healing pageI just looked at the healing page, and there is no such thing as (Healing High Godly.)
I don't really understand why you are trying to create a new ability specifically for MG.
I think you should first create a CRT to improve the healing page to perhaps add more healing stages like with regen.
And yes, I am currently working on a Thread to rework healing.... SO i don't need to deal with this kinda missunderstandings in the future...It's to be noted that the degree of the ability, if possible, should be specified with the same type system used for Regeneration, and so someone that has displayed the capability to heal up to a Mid level would be specified with the respective prefix.
Even the healing page doesn't states you can heal someone after they dead. Even the examples shown there are upto fatal injuries.From the healing page
I agree, in this case though it would be passiveAutomatic is distinct from passive. An ability/skill which automatically activates under certain conditions is indeed treated distinct from some innate physiology related trait which doesn’t activate in the sense of an ability or skill being activated but instead acting more like a natural process that’s just always there and “active” rather than something being activated. I’m also pretty sure this wiki differentiates automatic and passive abilities.
I mean functionally they’re the same but being an automated ability I believe is more accurate.Here the ability is triggered when the source is destroyed and regenerates, literally the requirement is that the source is destroyed, if not there is no regeneration in the first place, so technically speaking we are facing an ability that will automatically activate when these requirements are met, it is the same as passively, as it requires the death of the user.
Regeneration is an accurate way to describe something being healed. For example if you use a healing spell on wounds and they heal/close up those wounds would be regenerating because of the healing. Regeneration is more for innate healing related to a persons physiology or “meta” physiology.Yes, the phrasing supports my instance of it showing the moment her source is destroyed. And satoshi already shared the anime version.
Not to be rude but i can't understand what are you saying with that spelling.
Regenerating, not healing, also...
The same keywords of the novel say that if the body is destroyed and the source remains "RESURRECTION" is possible, while if the source is destroyed, regeneration by Agronemt is always used.
You don't heal anything, you regenerate with it, and yes, it can be used without casting it as showed above.
this is an ability that needs to be set up beforehand. It doesn't appear to be a passive.
as she could have intentionally activated the spell as soon as she died.
In the anime also it showed, after her source is destroyed it immediately came back, and there was no magic circle casted before that.
Skip to 29 seconds.
I wouldn't mind treating it the same way.I mean functionally they’re the same but being an automated ability I believe is more accurate.
The verse treats regeneration, healing, resurrection in completely different ways.Regeneration is an accurate way to describe something being healed. For example if you use a healing spell on wounds and they heal/close up those wounds would be regenerating because of the healing. Regeneration is more for innate healing related to a persons physiology or “meta” physiology.
This is just taking the wiki terms too seriously. You can’t really focus on semantics here and that a lot of the times terms like healed regenerated and such are going to be used similarly and don’t necessarily have to refer to the exact wiki ability the name corresponds to. Like what matters the most is the mechanics behind the ability. Here it’s an ability that is automatically activated rather than being a passive ability that is just always there and doesn’t really need any “activation”. This is an automatic ability and cannot qualify for regeneration.The verse treats regeneration, healing, resurrection in completely different ways.
- Small wounds are healed.
- Amputations are regenerated.
- Complete destruction of the body is resurrected.
- Destruction of the source is regenerated.
So there you have, that's why we have Regeneration, Resurrection, Healing.
If you heal something that is dead, then wouldn't it should be listed as ressurection, that's what ressurection page is for. Healing page states only healing upto where someone is alive nothing beyond that.You can't heal an arm that isn't there and neither can you heal something that is dead: nevertheless, if it isn't passive, we would not call it Regeneration. We would call it Healing. That is not adequate argument to classify it as Regeneration.
The video doesn't give you sufficient context? My guy, the video literally shows the magic circle appearing directly AFTER Anos crush's Avos's source which is exactly the same thing that the text says in just visual format. How is that insufficient? Like what?It's not the bit directed at me, but still I feel compelled to state that the last bit is pure semantics. You can't heal an arm that isn't there and neither can you heal something that is dead: nevertheless, if it isn't passive, we would not call it Regeneration. We would call it Healing. That is not adequate argument to classify it as Regeneration. To offer a parallel, DnD has a Regenerate spell that regenerates limbs: it is Healing (Low-Mid).
As for the video, it doesn't give me sufficient context to judge one way or the other. The text does, so failing some more concrete form of video, I adhere to the text. If there was such a video, I suppose we'd come down to "which do we use in the case of inconsistency".
Lmao high godly healing is a thingI just looked at the healing page, and there is no such thing as (Healing High Godly.)
I see. Then why isnt it on the healing page?Lmao high godly healing is a thing
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The video doesn't give you sufficient context? My guy, the video literally shows the magic circle appearing directly AFTER Anos crush's Avos's source which is exactly the same thing that the text says in just visual format. How is that insufficient? Like what?