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Touhou Discussion Thread 3 ⌈Eternal Fantasy Edition⌋

@Deidalius i want to make a touhou matchup but the hax and tier is killing me.

it’s so difficult besides all the other verses that were also 2-C were used

and the 2-C verses that haven’t been used against touhou are not well known/popular verses so i doubt anyone will participate in a match if I do use them.
 
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
@Deidalius i want to make a touhou matchup but the hax and tier is killing me.

it’s so difficult besides all the other verses that were also 2-C were used

and the 2-C verses that haven’t been used against touhou are not well known/popular verses so i doubt anyone will participate in a match if I do use them.
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Why do limit yourself to just 2-C characters?

There are a bunch of characters from lower tiers that have absurd haxes.
Find the ones that have Durability Negation, that way they could harm Las Tohas (That's "Touhou gals" but in Spanish, because I am based and bilingual-pilled. Also, Tohas is just a really cute nickname for them overall)

Find a character with a dimensionality that's 4D or lower. (Though now that I think of it, how many Tohas have 4D haxes? I know they scale to Multiversal but a lot of them have haxes limited to 3D spaces if I remember well)

You can theoretically use characters that scale a lot higher than Las Tohas since a lot of characters that scale to Outerversal, High Outerversal, Hyperversal, and Complex Multiversal can still be affected by 3D and 4D haxes since they don't have Higher Dimensional Existence. Have fun with that knowledge.

And as always, make sure to equalize speed. Almost every matchup stops working without equalized speed since it's rare to have characters from similar speeds that can face each other.

Kumagawa with equalized speed would solo the majority of Tohas despite scaling a lot lower. That and a lot of Tohas could stomp characters that scale higher than them with sheer Durability Negation haxes.

That being said you should be careful with some matchups, Touhou youkai have broken immortalities and regeneration to the point that most characters can't even permanently kill them. In that case, use the humans since they lack those immortalities or put the youkai against characters that can bypass their immortalities.

Those are my suggestions, those are the things I've learned ever since I tried to pit Touhou characters against other characters in this site.
StrymULTRA said:
What about you just don't though.
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Why should he not do Touhou matchups? I would like to hear your reasoning.
 
Deidalius said:
Why do limit yourself to just 2-C characters?

There are a bunch of characters from lower tiers that have absurd haxes.
Find the ones that have Durability Negation, that way they could harm Las Tohas (That's "Touhou gals" but in Spanish, because I am based and bilingual-pilled. Also, Tohas is just a really cute nickname for them overall)

Find a character with a dimensionality that's 4D or lower. (Though now that I think of it, how many Tohas have 4D haxes? I know they scale to Multiversal but a lot of them have haxes limited to 3D spaces if I remember well)

You can theoretically use characters that scale a lot higher than Las Tohas since a lot of characters that scale to Outerversal, High Outerversal, Hyperversal, and Complex Multiversal can still be affected by 3D and 4D haxes since they don't have Higher Dimensional Existence. Have fun with that knowledge.

And as always, make sure to equalize speed. Almost every matchup stops working without equalized speed since it's rare to have characters from similar speeds that can face each other.

Kumagawa with equalized speed would solo the majority of Tohas despite scaling a lot lower. That and a lot of Tohas could stomp characters that scale higher than them with sheer Durability Negation haxes.

That being said you should be careful with some matchups, Touhou youkai have broken immortalities and regeneration to the point that most characters can't even permanently kill them. In that case, use the humans since they lack those immortalities or put the youkai against characters that can bypass their immortalities.

Those are my suggestions, those are the things I've learned ever since I tried to pit Touhou characters against other characters in this site.
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do you recommend Sanae Kochiya?

well i choose 2-C because a lot of well known touhou characters are 2-C.

but are there any touhou characters that you know of that you could recommend to me?
 
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
do you recommend Sanae Kochiya?

well i choose 2-C because a lot of well known touhou characters are 2-C.
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I don't know a lot about Sanae's power set but looking at her Wiki profile, she doesn't have the same immortalities and bullshit regeneration that Youkai have so she's more matcheable than other characters.
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
but are there any touhou characters that you know of that you could recommend to me?
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Try matchups with the human incident solvers or humans in general. If you use Reimu, try to restrict her from flying out of reality.
 
Deidalius said:
I don't know a lot about Sanae's power set but looking at her Wiki profile, she doesn't have the same immortalities and bullshit regeneration that Youkai have so she's more matcheable than other characters.

Try matchups with the human incident solvers or humans in general. If you use Reimu, try to restrict her from flying out of reality.
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reimu summons things that's going to make it unmatchable.
 
StrymULTRA said:
You can't restrict abilities unless they get out of tier.
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Interesting, I thought you could. Well, then Reimu should be put against reality warpers or something of similar caliber.
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
who are they exactly?
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Marisa Kirisame, Sanae, Sakuya (Though maybe not Sakuya, her layered time stop is a bitch to deal with)

Other characters that are pretty matcheable are Miko, Sumireko, Tenshi, etc. I got lazy, just find a Touhou character without OP regeneration or immortality.
 
Deidalius said:
Interesting, I thought you could.
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  • It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment.
    • An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added.
    • The match can also be added if Optional Equipments such as optional power-ups and items are restricted, or if the ability being restricted is indexed after a "Likely" or "Possibly" conditional.
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Deidalius said:
Interesting, I thought you could. Well, then Reimu should be put against reality warpers or something of similar caliber.

Marisa Kirisame, Sanae, Sakuya (Though maybe not Sakuya, her layered time stop is a bitch to deal with)

Other characters that are pretty matcheable are Miko, Sumireko, Tenshi, etc. I got lazy, just find a Touhou character without OP regeneration or immortality.
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Marisa’s kind of a nightmare cause of her ability cards being standard which makes her one of the most versatile characters in the entire franchise.
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
Marisa’s kind of a nightmare cause of her ability cards being standard which makes her one of the most versatile characters in the entire franchise.
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I see, interesting, very interesting. She seems to have a lot more durability negation abilities than the average toha but I don't see a character as unmatchable unless they have resistances to everything, passive haxes, or bullshit regeneration/immortality. I could come up with a good matchup for her if I wasn't so lazy.
 
Deidalius said:
I see, interesting, very interesting. She seems to have a lot more durability negation abilities than the average toha but I don't see a character as unmatchable unless they have resistances to everything, passive haxes, or bullshit regeneration/immortality. I could come up with a good matchup for her if I wasn't so lazy.
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Marisa’s best matchups are probably Dissidia Yuffie and Rose Lalonde from Homestuck from a Versus perspective, though they don’t quite work out on VSBW yet as we haven’t upgraded Marisa to their same tier yet (hopefully one day)

I mean Marisa has functionally infinite resurrections with some of her spell cards so long as she has the speed advantage on an enemy which could pose problems frankly look at her haxx wall and you’ll see problems start to arise quickly lol
 
Unrelated but I really want to write a fight scene. Mostly Marisa vs the Terrarian because I've been daydreaming about that matchup for a while. Maybe I'll write the Terraria x Touhou fanfic I was talking about nearly a day ago just as an excuse to write a Marisa vs the Terrarian fight scene. Who knows? Here are the ideas I had.

1) The fight starts when they loot each other's houses, they fly to their homes afterward with their witch brooms and then they cross paths. They notice their opponent stole items from them so they fight to get them back.

2) A scene where Marisa makes a remark about the Terrarian's witch broom and then banters about how her broom is better and starts showing off the abilities of her broom through the fight.

3) A scene where the Terrarian deals a lot of damage with the 200% damage reflection of her Turtle armor but after a while, Marisa deactivates the effect by taking off the Terrarian's helmet which disables the set bonus of damage reflection

4) A scene where Marisa uses her broom and the Terrarian uses her Terra Blade or Starlight to have a melee fight. The Terrarian has the advantage.

5) The Terrarian manages to stay with more healthy throughout the fight with her numerous healing potions and regeneration items.

6) A scene where Marisa prevents the Terrarian from healing by breaking her healing potions before she manages to drink them. That starts to turn the tables.

7) A scene where the Terrarian gets disarmed but she just switches to other weapons.

8) A scene where Marisa disarms the Terrarian leaving her with no melee items and then Marisa pummels the Terrarian in hand-to-hand combat

9) A scene where the Terrarian shoots Marisa with the Water bolt but Marisa heals with her water absorption

10) A scene where Marisa blinds the Terrarian by throwing dirt at her eyes or by turning her helmet around yet the Terrarian still fights like normal due to his ability to fight while blindfolded

11) (I mentioned this before) A scene where they have a beam clash between the Last Prism and Marisa's Mini-Hakkero BUT the Terrarian starts winning the beam struggle until she gets mana sickness due to auto-drinking too many mana potions which weakens her beam and she gets overwhelmed. The Terrarian equips a defensive setup along with knockback immunity accessories and travels right through the Master Spark just to disarm Marisa or break her Mini-Hakkero

Now that I noted down my ideas I noticed the Terrarian dominated the fight through most of my imagination. Bummer. If I ever make this into a written fight I will make it closer choreography-wise. Mostly just make Marisa dominate the long-distance and hand-to-hand segments while the Terrarian dominates when she's close and uses her melee weapons.
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
Marisa’s best matchups are probably Dissidia Yuffie and Rose Lalonde from Homestuck from a Versus perspective, though they don’t quite work out on VSBW yet as we haven’t upgraded Marisa to their same tier yet (hopefully one day)

I mean Marisa has functionally infinite resurrections with some of her spell cards so long as she has the speed advantage on an enemy which could pose problems frankly look at her haxx wall and you’ll see problems start to arise quickly lol
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Infinite resurrections if she manages to speed blitz sounds strong but I doubt I'll put her in fights where she has the speed advantage. Matchups with an unequalized speed almost never work well.

That being said, how exactly does she have infinite revives?
 
Deidalius said:
Infinite resurrections if she manages to speed blitz sounds strong but I doubt I'll put her in fights where she has the speed advantage. Matchups with an unequalized speed almost never work well.

That being said, how exactly does she have infinite revives?
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She has several ability cards that allow her to resurrect, one of which lets her resurrect at a monetary cost

She has multiple ways to transform enemy attacks into money

Essentially allowing herself to infinitely generate resurrections

It’s only rlly something that would matter when speeds are comparable or she speed stomps tho
 
Deidalius said:
Infinite resurrections if she manages to speed blitz sounds strong but I doubt I'll put her in fights where she has the speed advantage. Matchups with an unequalized speed almost never work well.

That being said, how exactly does she have infinite revives?
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Sometimes I feel like you just ignore the profiles

She can resurrect via:
And lets not forget she can speed amp herself via "Gale Geta".

Marisa is busted and I love it
 
AdamHkureiJanitor said:
Sometimes I feel like you just ignore the profiles
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I think it's a combination of my lazy nature, low attention span, bad memory and that I can get distracted and lose focus on some things after less than a minute haha

But I did see she had ressurrection, I just didn't know the limits of her ressurrection. I mean, most revivors I know have limitations.
 
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