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Touhou Discussion Thread 3 ⌈Eternal Fantasy Edition⌋

ztarwarz said:
I mean, part of Byakuren and the Youkai Temple is that they are, explicitly, almost all bad Buddhists. Byakuren is like the one temple resident who actually does follow the prescripts of Buddhism, and in the past she did a number of things that were against Buddhist precepts as well. She's still keeping herself eternally young via magic in the modern day.
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Fair enough. That might explain why she sometimes dresses like that.
ztarwarz said:
That being said, I think you guys are both wrong. I don't think that Byakuren counts as not dressing modestly. She's completely covered in basically all of her official artwork, even in the youtube clip you have right there she's covered up. The only way you can really say that Byakuren isn't modest is that she has breasts. That's not a deal breaker in any religion I've ever heard of.
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I respectfully disagree. I admit it might be me unjustly trying to apply the standards of my religion and the religions I am knowledgeable of to Byakuren but in her in-game sprite and biker outfit, Byakuren does not dress in a modest way. Her in-game sprite has her undershirt wrapped around her chest almost as if it was a tight bodysuit. That would be considered immodest in most of the religions I am knowledgeable of. If Byakuren was more modest, she would switch to an undershirt that's less tight and doesn't wrap around her chest. I am not saying that Byakuren is being immodest just because she has big breasts, you can have those certain physical attributes and still dress modestly according to the standards of most religions I know of. I know many religious people that have attributes similar to Byakuren and they would cover their chest better than Byakuren in order to dress as modestly as possible. Byakuren's biker suit is also very immodest if you're religious. It has a cleavage and it's a skin-tight bodysuit. A religious leader of any religion I know of wouldn't be caught dead walking around with anything like that.

That being said, I think that the other canonical depictions of Byakuren dress her up in more modest ways.
 
Shmooply said:
This just made me realize that Touhou has one too many characters who are really bad at practicing their religion. What did ZUN mean by this?
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I think that is something that happens a lot in fiction in general, especially when the author of that fictional media is not part of the religion he is portraying in his works.

You see it a lot with things like the "Sexy nun" trope. Or sinner-killing Christians.

Honestly, I can't even name a character that's religious but is also good at practicing their religion from any fictional media in general. Except Christian characters from media that are made by Christians.
 
Deidalius said:
I think that is something that happens a lot in fiction in general, especially when the author of that fictional media is not part of the religion he is portraying in his works.

You see it a lot with things like the "Sexy nun" trope. Or sinner-killing Christians.

Honestly, I can't even name a character that's religious but is also good at practicing their religion from any fictional media in general. Except Christian characters from media that are made by Christians.
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That's not what I'm saying. I think it's blatantly obvious that the cast are intentionally written as being bad practicioners of their faith. Such as Reimu being stated to be such a lazy shrine maiden that she forgot the name of her own god, and while I'm not gonna pretend like I know Taoism well, I don't think any taoist would be fine with Seiga using necromancy and LARPing as a reverse-Santa.
 
Shmooply said:
That's not what I'm saying. I think it's blatantly obvious that the cast are intentionally written as being bad practicioners of their faith. Such as Reimu being stated to be such a lazy shrine maiden that she forgot the name of her own god, and while I'm not gonna pretend like I know Taoism well, I don't think any taoist would be fine with Seiga using necromancy and LARPing as a reverse-Santa.
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In that case, I am agreeing with you. I was just wondering if she was violating the dress code of her religion or not since I don't know a lot about her religion but based on the religions I do know about, she would be violating the dress codes of those religions.


Sanae can now be played in Mario ROM hacks. Ain't she cute?
 
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Sanae is traveling between worlds just to steal your girl. Now she stole Peach off Mario.
 
Do you guys have any abilities that you'd like to see in the profiles, but are too goofy and or ambiguous to get accepted (maybe the ones that already got rejected)?

Or you could complain about abilities of certain characters you don't agree with.

Use this reply to vent out.
 
AdamHkureiJanitor said:
Do you guys have any abilities that you'd like to see in the profiles, but are too goofy and or ambiguous to get accepted (maybe the ones that already got rejected)?

Or you could complain about abilities of certain characters you don't agree with.

Use this reply to vent out.
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I believe this wiki makes nearly every character in Touhou look like gods with gazillions of abilities that have dozens of immortalities and defensive and even more offensive durability negation hax. I say all of this on instinct, it just doesn't sit right with me out of instinct.

Strikethrough That being said, Cirno should be Tier 2 like the others. Tier 2 Cirno. Strikethrough

And I'm not so well versed into Touhou lore to the point that I have found obscure abilities that aren't in the profiles.
 
AdamHkureiJanitor said:
Do you guys have any abilities that you'd like to see in the profiles, but are too goofy and or ambiguous to get accepted (maybe the ones that already got rejected)?
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To be honest, I wish we had physics and gravity manipulation for youkais accepted, it was unfortunately denied. Which is weird, because the same scan that gives mind, emphatic and soul hax to all youkai is the same scan that has the gravity and physics stuff.
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
There are other ways to argue for it but it's a little sketchy.

Also, I'm still mad that Yukari killing genres isn't considered plot hax. What the hell else would it even be?
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That sounds like a very peculiar ability to have. It sounds like something Misogi Kumagawa would do.
I'd say it's a minor form of plot manipulation since genres are an integral part of plots and stories. Maybe it's an ability that wouldn't qualify for any power in this wiki since it's so specific. It sounds like reality warping, law or logic manipulation but it sounds more like minor plot control. Maybe even conceptual destruction since it's killing an abstraction, but I don't know if genres are concepts.

Either way it's a funny idea. I'm not sure how combat applicable it is but she could theoretically kill the mystery and thriller genre and turn it into a slice of life.
 
I also think NEP + youkai HGR thread was a bit unfair, "god-like existence" was pretty straight forward imo.
Reimu stat equalization and youkai self perception is kinda sus would be nice as well.
Although I can't remember why, I got particularly salty when reading hourai immortal HGR and Flandre's destruction not being EE (Was Flandre argument made before the spell card name upgrade btw? "Scarlet Nihility" should be self explanatory).
 
AdamHkureiJanitor said:
I also think NEP + youkai HGR thread was a bit unfair, "god-like existence" was pretty straight forward imo.
Reimu stat equalization and youkai self perception is kinda sus would be nice as well.
Although I can't remember why, I got particularly salty when reading hourai immortal HGR and Flandre's destruction not being EE (Was Flandre argument made before the spell card name upgrade btw? "Scarlet Nihility" should be self explanatory).
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NEP stuff has some very, very funny additional evidence that I'll work into a new thread. HGR would've actually gotten accepted if the thread didn't die. That said, youkai HGR also has a few extra layers of protection so it'll be extra potent when I get back to it.

Flandre not having EE is wack, yeah, but Hourai immortal HGR was always kinda sussy even if it's technically feasible.

And the Reimu stuff was really ******* stupid and a lesson to never steal abilities from Ficcion sin Limites, while youkai self perception is highly interpretable.
 
AdamHkureiJanitor said:
Do you guys have any abilities that you'd like to see in the profiles, but are too goofy and or ambiguous to get accepted (maybe the ones that already got rejected)?

Or you could complain about abilities of certain characters you don't agree with.

Use this reply to vent out.
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Also Quantum Manipulation for Reisen is Arguable ngl

She has a Control for Any sort of Wavelength where in Quantum Theory, Wave is deeper than Particle and can Even determining Probability
 
Recently I have been thinking of writing a Touhou X Terraria fanfic. Terraria's one of my favorite games and Touhou has a lot of interesting characters so I might make a good excuse to write fight scenes. Why? The idea of writing a Touhou fanfic has been on my mind for a while. Nearly all my Touhou fan friends are fanfic writers and Touhou has been one of my most recent obsessions and long lasting obsessions (This obsession is currently lasting more than my other previous obsessions, I think I've been a Touhou fan for 2 years now) yet I've never sat down to write something, because I never had good nor original ideas.

My idea is that an ancient heroine from the world of Terraria that saved the world centuries ago got forgotten due to time and ended up in Gensokyo. It's a different world with different materials and magic. The Moon Lord (Which in Terraria lore is supposed to be Cthulhu) reawakens after The Terrarian gets forgotten and when she notices that, she starts to harness the materials, magic and objects (By fighting random people, stealing their gadgets and using parts of Youkai as materials) of this new world in order to become strong enough to seal Cthulhu again.

I am already thinking of several ideas, like The Terrarian taking Cirno's wings off and using it as an upgrade to their arsenal and doing the same to other characters, as in, defeat them and use their wings, arms, ears, tails, etc as materials for their weapons, armors and accessories.
The Terrarian getting eaten by Rumia on the first night.
The Terrarian and Marisa fighting in a fight that ends in a clash between the Last Prism and the Mini-Hakkero's Master Spark.
The Corruption, The Crimson and The Hallow spreading to Gensokyo as some characters harness the power of those biomes to strengthen themselves.
The Terrarian will be a mute that lost her vocal cords after they got cut in a fight. She communicates with her expressions and body language. She also respawns. I might work on thinking of an interesting reason why she respawns other than (Well, it was a mechanic in Terraria) and I was going to make her 4 feet tall but then I realized Terrarians are 6 feet tall.

I am tempted to try to draw a Terrarian in the style of Touhou. Though I'm not sure if I could pull it out. Either way, I might try.
I realize after writing all of this that I should have probably annotated it or posted this in the writing thread instead but eh. I am too lazy to copy-paste. I hope y'all don't bite buahaha.
 
May I see how they are canon to each other? Mind if you link some sources, so I can read them.
 
There are maybe like 2-3 pieces of official content where the canonicity is dubious. 99% of what you see on the front page of the Touhou Wiki is canon except for everything under the Other Games tab and the stuff straight up labeled "fan content".
 
ImmortalDread said:
May I see how they are canon to each other? Mind if you link some sources, so I can read them.
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What?

Aside from being referred to as official works, and being written by the same person, the events from the different mediums constantly tie into one another. Like, there are too many instances of how these mediums cross paths that I don't even know where to begin listing them.

And I hope I don't have to list them, because you can ask any Touhou fan on the planet and they'll tell you the same shit I'm telling you.
 
I don't need to ask any fan (it is like asking MG fan if Anos is boundless or not), I requested an official source to confirm this. If you don't want to share, I don't mind. I can wait, you can simply stop being aggressive.

You already sound like MG fans right now with this attitude.
 
If you're asking about chronological connections, then most of the stories tend to take place around the time that they released. In other words, the most recent game/manga/novel before it, is likely the most recent thing to have happened/that is happening in Gensokyo

But yeah, right off the top of my head, the fairy manga namedrops at least one incident from the games, and includes a character that didn't show up until Touhou 15, and who didn't even live in Gensokyo until the events of the manga confirmed that's their new living situation.
 
ImmortalDread said:
I don't need to ask any fan (it is like asking MG fan if Anos is boundless or not), I requested an official source to confirm this. If you don't want to share, I don't mind. I can wait, you can simply stop being aggressive.

You already sound like MG fans right now with this attitude.
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You kind of have to provide proof that the official piece of content made by the official creator with the official branding on the product that continues the official story of the official games and regularly ties into and connects into the official games and official print works isn’t officially canon, and I can guarantee you that you won’t be able to dredge up anything for that
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
You kind of have to provide proof that the official piece of content made by the official creator with the official branding on the product that continues the official story of the official games and regularly ties into and connects into the official games and official print works isn’t officially canon,
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I don't need to prove anything since it is not my burden of proof.
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
and I can guarantee you that you won’t be able to dredge up anything for that
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Promising guarantees don't make a reliable evidence.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
Fine.

Give me a couple hours. I need to eat and also compile like 20 examples of what I'm talking about.
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So in fact, there is no official source, and it depends on the content. I will wait.
 
OverlordDonnelly said:
If you're asking about chronological connections, then most of the stories tend to take place around the time that they released. In other words, the most recent game/manga/novel before it, is likely the most recent thing to have happened/that is happening in Gensokyo

But yeah, right off the top of my head, the fairy manga namedrops at least one incident from the games, and includes a character that didn't show up until Touhou 15, and who didn't even live in Gensokyo until the events of the manga confirmed that's their new living situation.
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No, I am asking for any official source regarding the canonicity between games and the story. I did not find anything in Touhou Project VSBW page regarding it.
 
ImmortalDread said:
So in fact, there is no official source, and it depends on the content. I will wait.
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Every single story is written by ZUN, the sole creator of the series.

Kasen Ibaraki, a character from the mangas, has appeared in the fighting games.

Suika, a character from the fighting games, has appeared in the bullet hell games.

The fairies from the fairy manga got their own bullet hell game called Fairy Wars.

Rinnosuke, who appears in written works, is seen in the background of stages in the fighting games.

CD stories take place in the far off future of the Outside World, and one character has the same last name as Sumireko, and Outside Worlder who appeared in the fighting games, and then in the written works.

Literally every form of Touhou Media has intertwined with another at some point.
 
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