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Touhou Discussion Thread 3 ⌈Eternal Fantasy Edition⌋

Kisaragi_Megumi said:
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But in serious note, stonewall is a attitude of someone who wrote an long a** paragraph without even listening to what the others say (like "stop", "you are strawmaning", etc)
Could be wrong lel
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Well, in that case, I would say that I am not a stonewall but rather just a mere pebble in the way. I'm not a good debater after all. I don't think I've ever even won a debate in this wiki ahaaahaahaaaaaa.

I don't really like wasting a lot of time I could spend playing Terraria by arguing about small details like the powerset of a character so I will probably not intervene if I predict it will take me a lot of time and effort, I am a lazy person after all. Even then, I am pretty Laissez-faire with how this wiki handles their character profiles. In my eyes, it wouldn't matter if Touhou was shittouterhypernanoomniversal or foddergokuvictim level in this wiki. This wiki doesn't have to reflect my thoughts for me to like it. But I admit I would like this wiki more if Touhou was 3 tiers above all of Undertale in all categories eheeheeeheheheheee.
 
I found this thanks to TikTok

It's funny that this randomass Tier 0 OC has Mokou as her face claim.
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I am thinking of making a video reading her whole wiki. It might be funny. (I am running out of video ideas)
 
AdamHkureiJanitor said:
I strongly believe faith only matters when you have a name
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Going back to this, found the scans I was looking for
(not that I was actively searching for it, I'm bad at looking for scans)

Kanako:
When gods are named their powers are restricted, but they receive an identity. They lose the ability to exist within anything, becoming almost the same as youkai, but in return receive an ability to be reborn by their myths.

(Symposium of Post mysticism Part 5)
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By changing its name, a god changes its nature, which is evidence that a god’s name is only one aspect of their selves.

Conversely, the gods who still retain their original form can only possess things from before everything was named. Because if a god were lodged in something with a name, then it could only display one of its aspects.

(Curiosities of Lotus Asia Chapter 15)
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So having a name is seen as a limitation for gods, which is why I believe faith scaling is wrong.
Don't we have a way to get every high tier to the same level anyway?
 
AdamHkureiJanitor said:
Going back to this, found the scans I was looking for
(not that I was actively searching for it, I'm bad at looking for scans)



So having a name is seen as a limitation for gods, which is why I believe faith scaling is wrong.
Don't we have a way to get every high tier to the same level anyway?
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Yeah, I think this is misrepresenting what is said. Gods losing their powers is unrelated to AP, as the example given is how gods lose their omnipresence. It's just about their abilities, nothing more. The same is likely true of the aspect bit, since a god's avatar is in fact just a tiny subset of their true self.

Faith scaling is weird as hell, since gods do objectively lose a lot when gaining a name. There's a lot of give and take when it comes to a god changing their form.
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
Yeah, I think this is misrepresenting what is said. Gods losing their powers is unrelated to AP, as the example given is how gods lose their omnipresence. It's just about their abilities, nothing more. The same is likely true of the aspect bit, since a god's avatar is in fact just a tiny subset of their true self.

Faith scaling is weird as hell, since gods do objectively lose a lot when gaining a name. There's a lot of give and take when it comes to a god changing their form.
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Sooooo will Deidalius' tier 1 Cirno dream finally come true?
 
AdamHkureiJanitor said:
What about Junko though, she doesn't have any extra power source aside from her being a nameless god as far as I'm aware of..?
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Junko's scaling has always been weird, since it's mostly based on the thread she poses to other characters, which can be attributed to her purification instead of raw AP. So unless there's something she's missing, she'd end up scaling to regular nameless god stuff.
 
AdamHkureiJanitor said:
Sooooo will Deidalius' tier 1 Cirno dream finally come true?
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I'll pit Cirno against Goku if she ever reaches the same tier as the other Touhou gals. If I remember well, she should since something something something about Marisa and Okina had to fight seriously against her according to someone on Discord. (Some Touhou characters being so above Cirno that they could one shot her if serious never sat down right with me)
 
Deidalius said:
I'll pit Cirno against Goku if she ever reaches the same tier as the other Touhou gals. If I remember well, she should since something something something about Marisa and Okina had to fight seriously against her according to someone on Discord. (Some Touhou characters being so above Cirno that they could one shot her if serious never sat down right with me)
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Realistically with infinite speed and haxxes she could probably put him down
 
Deidalius said:
I'll pit Cirno against Goku if she ever reaches the same tier as the other Touhou gals. If I remember well, she should since something something something about Marisa and Okina had to fight seriously against her according to someone on Discord. (Some Touhou characters being so above Cirno that they could one shot her if serious never sat down right with me)
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Cirno has funny infinite speed scaling and Absolute Zero ice attacks, which can ignore durability. Even if the page doesn't currently reflect it properly, Cirno probably speedstomps and haxxes and Tanned cirno definitely does.

Funny 9 kills Glucose.
 
It was mentioned in "Who's Who of Humans & Youkai in Gensokyo" that Junko fought the lunarians before she met Hecatia
Junko, who has a grudge against the moon goddess Chang'e, has often attacked the Lunar Capital for a long time, but she gained an overwhelming advantage once she partnered with the goddess of Hell, Hecatia
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(Even though she did a poor job) This statement alone would be enough to consider her high up in scaling imo due to her not getting sh*t-stomped by Lunar Capital's forces.

But there are statements that support Junko's purification not being very effective (if not outright useless) against people that are already pure. Meaning during her battle with the Capital, she relayed on raw AP.

(Tbh my knowledge is faint regarding LOLK's plot, so if I'm mistaken I accept the big fat L on this one).

Also a reminder that Life &/ Death = impurity, and Pointdevice mode = using Ultramarine Orb Elixir
for the ppl who aren't familiar.

Junko:
A human so completely surrounded by the
stench of death can never hope to defeat me.

Reimu, Marisa, Sanae story If playing on Legacy Mode (with deaths)
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Junko:
This earth rabbit bears impurity
beyond what is necessary.
Like this, she is powerless against my strength!
Absolutely powerless

Reisen's story If playing on Legacy Mode (with deaths)
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Note that Junko only threatens the protagonists with her ability only when they face her impure (didn't take the elixir and made deadly/impure mistakes).

However she admits defeat if the protagonists face her pure (used the elixir or haven't made any mistakes)
Junko:
And you've even reached here without even a single mistake.
For now, I shall admit defeat.

Marisa's story If playing on Pointdevice Mode (or on Legacy with no misses)
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Junko:
...You have not a single blemish.
I admit defeat.

Sanae's story If playing on Pointdevice Mode (or on Legacy with no misses)
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Aside from that, in "Grimoire of Usami" when the festival takes an unexpected turn and participants decide to use lethal danmaku, the judges (Reimu & the crew) rush to the audience to protect from the danmaku by blocking it.
Until it was Junko's turn...
Sumireko:
Even Miss Yukari got up to help defend the audience. Does that mean this lady is so dangerous that even Reimers isn't enough? Shiver
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Okina:
Yes, this is the power I wanted to see! I knew inviting the goddess of Hell was the right decision!
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(It's also worth mentioning that Okina didn't react this excited to the other high tier participants such as;
Utsuho, Koishi, Yuugi, Nue, Byakuren and Clownpiece while some of them weren't holding back.)

When Junko's turn was over Yukari returns to her judge's seat.


Even if we ignore all that, after Reisen defeats Junko in LOLK she admits her inferiority in power.
Reisen:
I wonder what was I thinking not using the 'Ultramarine Orb Elixir?" That evil spirit was strong, unlike me.

LOLK ending no.8
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Which means no one except high tiers would scale from this anyway.



Yes I had a lot of free time today​
 
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AdamHkureiJanitor said:
Byakuren thirst 🥵

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Inaccurate, Shinmyoumaru would never be pervy. shake my head, shake my head
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
You know as a Monk, Byakuren doesn't do well with her job because of her design lmao
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True, ain't religious leaders supposed to be modest? I don't know anything about Byakuren's religion but in all the other religions I know, being modest and dressing modestly is a must, a requirement to be part of that religion.
 
I mean, part of Byakuren and the Youkai Temple is that they are, explicitly, almost all bad Buddhists. Byakuren is like the one temple resident who actually does follow the prescripts of Buddhism, and in the past she did a number of things that were against Buddhist precepts as well. She's still keeping herself eternally young via magic in the modern day.

That being said, I think you guys are both wrong. I don't think that Byakuren counts as not dressing modestly. She's completely covered in basically all of her official artwork, even in the youtube clip you have right there she's covered up. The only way you can really say that Byakuren isn't modest is that she has breasts. That's not a deal breaker in any religion I've ever heard of.
 
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