Touhou Discussion Thread 3 ⌈Eternal Fantasy Edition⌋

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

who's the most unmatchable character in touhou? (is it yukari because of conceptual hax?)

 

[Shmooply]

Probably any god with a primordial key.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Yeah, transduality and NEP are a hard combo to beat. Yukari can at least still be interacted with using basic NPI.

 

[Shmooply]

Still be interacted with using basic NPI until i give her and a few others layered incorporeality

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Still be interacted with using basic NPI until i give her and a few others layered incorporeality

What Was He Cooking?

Is this about her intangibility already on her profile or nah? The same would apply to Murasa, I assume.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

also zun really likes Chinese culture it seems.

 

[Shmooply]

Yeah, kinda forgot I was gonna make a CRT for her and Murasa that gives them busted incorp/intangibility. Might as well make the thread later because I haven't cooked a lot lately.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Also it’s sad we will never get an official touhou anime or adaptation because zun doesn’t want that.

 

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

who's the most unmatchable character in touhou? (is it yukari because of conceptual hax?)

Any primordial god, though if we’re talking like regular cast, Yukari for sure.

for regular humans Reimu and Marisa kinda have things down pact as being batshit insane outside of their own verse. Marisa got hugely buffed post 18.5 lol

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Any primordial god, though if we’re talking like regular cast, Yukari for sure.

for regular humans Reimu and Marisa kinda have things down pact as being batshit insane outside of their own verse. Marisa got hugely buffed post 18.5 lol

This is what happened if Marisa has introduced to Capitalism

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

This is what happened if Marisa has introduced to Capitalism

What about communism?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

What about communism?

SOCIETY​

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

SOCIETY​

Seize the means of spirit

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Touhou girls being introduced to communism would just be regular Touhou (tbh it's more like anarcho-communism but shhhh)

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Touhou girls being introduced to communism would just be regular Touhou (tbh it's more like anarcho-communism but shhhh)

In the end it's all Moriya Shrine Conspiracy so blame on those three idiot

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

In the end it's all Moriya Shrine Conspiracy so blame on those three idiot

No uh

Pretty sure it's ZUN.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

No uh

Pretty sure it's ZUN.

Still part of Moriya Shrine Conspiracy so my point still stand

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Time Traveller: Moved a chair a lil bit
The Timeline:

 

[Shmooply]

Yeah, kinda forgot I was gonna make a CRT for her and Murasa that gives them busted incorp/intangibility. Might as well make the thread later because I haven't cooked a lot lately.

well shit fellas i already made a crt about adding intangibility for another character today so i guess i cant make this one
Actually, what were the arguments for Yukari having layered Intangibility again? Pretty sure someone else made those arguments while I was talking about why Murasa might have layered Incorporeality, so it wasn't me.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Are there any upcoming CRT’s yet for touhou.

Will the characters ever get higher than 2-C?

 

[Shmooply]

Are there any upcoming CRT’s yet for touhou.

Will the characters ever get higher than 2-C?

Yeah. Give us, like, two decades.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Are there any upcoming CRT’s yet for touhou.

Within the next year, hopefully. Progress is going well on CRT making (I'm fully done with everything EoSD and PCB had), so if I continue at this rate I could probably have everything done by August/September. If not by then, then idk.

Will the characters ever get higher than 2-C?

Yes.

well shit fellas i already made a crt about adding intangibility for another character today so i guess i cant make this one
Actually, what were the arguments for Yukari having layered Intangibility again? Pretty sure someone else made those arguments while I was talking about why Murasa might have layered Incorporeality, so it wasn't me.

Yukari has a spell card where she turns transparent and you cannot attack or physically touch her. You just fly right through her. This is on top of her incorporeality as a youkai.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yes.

So what higher tier could they possibly be? Will they still be tier 2 or maybe possibly tier 1?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

So what higher tier could they possibly be? Will they still be tier 2 or maybe possibly tier 1?

2-B at first, with an ensuing upgrade to 1-C, possibly High 1-C.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

2-B at first, with an ensuing upgrade to 1-C, possibly High 1-C.

Where does the dimensional evidence come from?

1-C, touhou vs fate when, and how many layers is touhou resistance/hax

 

[Shmooply]

Where does the dimensional evidence come from?

We've two ways of doing the tier 1 stuff. One has to do with all the quantum shenanigans going on with the cosmology, and the other that Doge is (probably) doing that involves all the Buddhist concepts within the verse.

1-C, touhou vs fate when, and how many layers is touhou resistance/hax

just the mere thought of that makes me want to convert to any religion that praises chastity

Yukari has a spell card where she turns transparent and you cannot attack or physically touch her. You just fly right through her. This is on top of her incorporeality as a youkai.

Unless Touhou characters can interact with intangible beings and I just forgot, this isn't layered Intangibility, so Yukari isn't getting anything. I know that Reimu and Marisa can interact with Junko which gives them busted NPI, but again; no proof of the characters being able to affect intangible beings, no dice.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Where does the dimensional evidence come from?

1-C, touhou vs fate when, and how many layers is touhou resistance/hax

The outside world sees Gensokyo, and other infinite space-times, as infinitely small (despite its own finite size) and as fiction (5D).

The Dream World contains multiple sets of infinite dreams, each containing a 5D outside world, so the Dream World would need to be larger than countably infinite 5D structures (6D)

And then all of this is embedded in a higher dimensional "bulk" that acts as a higher dimension per our tier 1 standards, thus making the cosmology 7D.

That's the way I plan on doing things, anyways.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

We've two ways of doing the tier 1 stuff. One has to do with all the quantum shenanigans going on with the cosmology, and the other that Doge is (probably) doing that involves all the Buddhist concepts within the verse.

just the mere thought of that makes me want to convert to any religion that praises chastity

Unless Touhou characters can interact with intangible beings and I just forgot, this isn't layered Intangibility, so Yukari isn't getting anything. I know that Reimu and Marisa can interact with Junko which gives them busted NPI, but again; no proof of the characters being able to affect intangible beings, no dice.

That's wack but whatever. I don't think the line between incorporeality and immaterial intangibility is so wide that they can't be compared.

 

[Shmooply]

Though on the topic of NPI, I wouldn't be surprised if we can upgrade the verse's NPI again with the kedama enemy of all things. As ZUN states in an email that they are apparently nature itself:

Spirits have almost no personalities. They are Nature itself and almost never speak.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Though on the topic of NPI, I wouldn't be surprised if we can upgrade the verse's NPI again with the kedama enemy of all things. As ZUN states in an email that they are apparently nature itself:

Nice. I almost forgot about this. There's some other good stuff like Parsee's body being made of jealousy and the Prismriver Sisters being made up of the "noise" independent of anything else (I don't remember the full context for that but I'll post it when I get home).

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

This is probably some form of AE, I think. Good NPI for the PCB cast regardless.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

This is the most fun and creative fan-game, and basically an heaven for the shippers lel

 

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

This is the most fun and creative fan-game, and basically an heaven for the shippers lel

I love how massive Marisa’s hat is here lol

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I love how massive Marisa’s hat is here lol

Marisa Hat is the equalivent of Reimu Gohei staff

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Do we have any info about Demetori having an yt channel?

 

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

Do we have any info about Demetori having an yt channel?

Iirc they’re planning to make their music available on streaming services / available for purchase online soon

 

[Deidalius]

I wonder, are there any arguments for "immeasurable speed" Touhou?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I wonder, are there any arguments for "immeasurable speed" Touhou?

A few. There's stuff like dodging Sakuya's knives that are stated to "leap through time", and Marisa's Master Spark straight up defying time and moving forward in time through a reversed time flow (and characters reacting to and outspeeding her Master Spark). Sakuya's Deflation World is as blatant as you can get for moving through 3 time periods simultaneously (although nobody but her scales to it).

 

[Deidalius]

A few. There's stuff like dodging Sakuya's knives that are stated to "leap through time", and Marisa's Master Spark straight up defying time and moving forward in time through a reversed time flow (and characters reacting to and outspeeding her Master Spark). Sakuya's Deflation World is as blatant as you can get for moving through 3 time periods simultaneously (although nobody but her scales to it).

Ok I'll keep that in mind the next time I find another Undertale powerscaler on TikTok or a similar site (thumbs up emoji) (thumbs up emoji) (thumbs up emoji) (thumbs up emoji)