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Tier High 6-A The Battle of the Beast Tournament (2023): Monkey D Luffy vs Mob Psycho 100 (Shigeo Kageyama)
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Which is different to conquerors as its about overpowering will power of others, it's not about effecting ones mind
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Yeah iirc in the manga ???% Mob almost killed one of his friends by impalling them on rubble, he really doesn't care about what he has to do achieve his objective
Edit: Yup
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I'd also like to mention Mob's passive absorption is useless in terms of draining or reducing an opponent's stamina.
Psychic energy is a non vital mental/spiritual energy that espers use and can also be found in the atmosphere or is emitted by certain objects and living creatures. If it's fully drained out of an esper it will only power null them with no real side effect, like ???% did to Teruki.
Mob's absorption is more of something to passively make him stronger and recover his "mp" in a normal fight or allow him to absorb psychic attacks as a whole in a fight.
Also, in about 5 hours his LS will be lowered to 5x his 100% and the match will likely be removed if Mob wins due to Class T LS downgrade in the near future.
Psychic energy is a non vital mental/spiritual energy that espers use and can also be found in the atmosphere or is emitted by certain objects and living creatures. If it's fully drained out of an esper it will only power null them with no real side effect, like ???% did to Teruki.
Mob's absorption is more of something to passively make him stronger and recover his "mp" in a normal fight or allow him to absorb psychic attacks as a whole in a fight.
Also, in about 5 hours his LS will be lowered to 5x his 100% and the match will likely be removed if Mob wins due to Class T LS downgrade in the near future.
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It's listed as empathic manip/fear inducement + shockwave generation + sleep manip in the page tho.
All of wich Mob either resists or won't be affected due to higher AP.
Popted2
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wait hold on are you telling us that Mob is going to loose his Class P lift strengh?
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Those are the side effects that happens when fully overpowered by willpower
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Probably
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Not even 1 other staff member has posted there other than OP and me. Why are you saying this as though it's been settled?
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He has both. He transmutated the ground to rubber, fire to rubber, and lightning to rubber.
Luffy turning things to rubber negates their durability. It's how he was bypassing Kaido's durability with Gear 5 by literally stretching him, hitting his organs and letting them bounce back.
Also does not work. Luffy got hit with raw ass gravity from FUjitora who can yoink meteorites contributing like 98% of the energy on top of the earth's GBE and Luffy literally didn't act like he felt it. Gravity isn't folding a rubber man. We see him literally warp and nearly liquify into Kaido's Kanabo during their fight to the point of his body losing solidity almost, and he's still fine a panel after.
His empowerment takes let him cover a Gear 2/Gear 3/Gear 4 gap during ONE FIGHT when he was fighting Katakuri, all in base. Gear 4 alone has a x4 gap, 2 and 3 unspecified.
Luffy can foresee the TK and perception-blitz Mob.
If he sees it coming like 10 seconds beforehand and his amps involve THINKING THEM, yes he can. Mob's intent is practically rendering him a snail to Luffy who's G2, Soru and 4 amps are all blitzes.
Luffy's future sight can foresee entire sequences of actions and conversations several seconds into the future, not just a moment beforehand. By the time Mob's thinking of doing it Luffy would've figured that out already.
It negates it's durability and allows Luffy's fist to burrow through basically. That's the entire point of rubberizing targets as you can see here, here, here and here. He doesn't rubberize and bounce off, he rubberizes and KEEPS GOING through until he tags the target.
Also he has Ryuou, which effectively extends an extra range and detonates internal within targets. Even if the barrier somehow manages to stop Luffy's fist, his Ryuou (which is intangible) just goes through and inside Mob.
Rubberize and tie him into a balloon animal then walk away.
Tire him out by constantly blowing his organs apart with Ryou.
Outlast him because Gear 5 can keep restarting/resurrecting so long as Luffy's body is intact and Mob has no means of blowing him apart because of his rubber body.
Pointless? It was the chapter debut and we had to see him rubberize the environment like other paramecias. He does later on rubberize lightning anyway which is greater than doing it with fire.
If the guy he's fighting can foresee what he's going to think multiple seconds beforehand and probably tie his head in a funny knot even before Mob's thoughts go "I shoul-" then you're putting your money on the wrong guy.
And before anyone says it's out of character. No it ain't. If Luffy foresees a dangerous future he'll deadass blitz you, wreck you, and walk away. If he KNOWS Mob can incap him THAT badly he'd literally not let it happen. He's a pirate, he literally has a whole mindset about not playing fair like that.
It's Perceive the future before the guy even begins to formulate his thought vs formulate said thought 5 seconds too late but uh-oh, you're floored because funny rubber man foresaw it so far before that it's pointless.
Not a single non-cutting attack Mob uses is hurting Luffy.
Luffy also has thought based barrier emissions that even if by a miracle MOB catches him with LS, he'd create to fend off anything thrown his way that isn't intangible.
I haven't seen FRA's yet (but it's mostly because I read through the counter-arguments) so my vote goes for Luffy.
DaMonkeMan
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Still need answers on whether that's his hair flames or a thought bubble (since it's black and white can't tell) but.. yeah. That's matter manip.
DaMonkeMan
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Seems to be his hair/smoke.
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damnwell I'll vote for luffy FRA, should have more wincons and even possible counters to mobs own wincons
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that random ass nlf
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Also is the barrier a dome? How does it function?
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I think people are forgetting the slightly important detail that by SBA their fight will start with both characters 4 km away, wich would make it harder for luffy to blitz from a distance. Not only that but the extent of things foresight allows you to dodge is being wanked here.
To put things in perspective imagine the following:
1.Mob thinks and Luffy gets restrained by TK
2.Luffy passively foresights with infinite thought process speed in 0 seconds, uses a thought based amp and proceeds to move at such speed mob cannot perceive his movement from 4km away, all during the time it took Mob to produce a single thought while they start at equalized speed.
so essentialy what's being said here is thought speed< thought+blitzing from 4km away speed while starting at speed equal.
Also, let's not forget that the Katakuri fight was much much longer than this one will be, on top of Katakuri being obsessed with fairness and only taking Luffy seriously by the time he was actually strong enough to match his 100% and even wounding himself to keep things fair.
To put things in perspective imagine the following:
1.Mob thinks and Luffy gets restrained by TK
2.Luffy passively foresights with infinite thought process speed in 0 seconds, uses a thought based amp and proceeds to move at such speed mob cannot perceive his movement from 4km away, all during the time it took Mob to produce a single thought while they start at equalized speed.
so essentialy what's being said here is thought speed< thought+blitzing from 4km away speed while starting at speed equal.
Also, let's not forget that the Katakuri fight was much much longer than this one will be, on top of Katakuri being obsessed with fairness and only taking Luffy seriously by the time he was actually strong enough to match his 100% and even wounding himself to keep things fair.
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luffy has already been shown to interact with energy as we have stated before, he has a blatant feat of affecting rays that are basically electrons.
just because only psychics can interact with it doesn't mean that external characters from other series can't, it's your duty to show that in this case the mob barrier can avoid luffy's shit.
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The shape of the barrier can vary, it can be one layer, or it can have 3 or more.
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Luffy cannot rubberize TK itself wich is purely force. The barrier while invisible to non espers, unlike TK is made of hardened psychic energy in a non intangible state, so Luffy should be able to apply rubber properties to it.
For what the barrier itself is it's a spherical dome.
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Psychic energy is completely related to the soul, although people can touch the barrier they cannot interfere with the energy as such, you would need to be an esper or someone to share their psychic energy with you (Toichiro, Mob).
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Voting Luffy FRA.
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Distance isn't changing the fact that he can use FS? It's damn near passive, he foresaw a bullet coming his way while dudes were out of sight and he was aware of their existence altogether. Before the guy even raised his gun iirc.
Isn't most instances of Mob TK him being aware of his opponent's presence+using a hand gesture their way? If he can't see what he's fighting, he's not restraining anything.
Luffy just rubberizes it and makes it punch Mob on his behalf.
If it's a physical barrier Luffy can also inject Ryou through it and internally hit Mob that way.
With his FS, Matter manip, several blitz amps, Luffy turns Mob to a sitting down. Even if Mob gets desperate and tries to fold a city range in on itself to somehow catch Luffy, it'd just rubberize on impact and neg it entirely. Luffy doesn't need to actually take his time or grab something for it to rubberize, he can just bump into it and it does for a pretty wide range.
Also if Mob's blasts have tangible damage on surfaces, they'd just get bounced his way via turning said surfaces to rubber, just how Luffy did with Boro breath.
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Although he can touch it, he will not be able to turn it into rubber. ???% could put infinite barriers around him
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If it has a physical form he should be able to. There's literally no reason he can't that I've read so far
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and luffy will turn it into rubber... you can put as many layers, but if you don't have the resistance to luffy turning it into rubber, that's not much.
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In the most desperate case, ???% can use astral projection and leave his body on the other side of the world.
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As I said, Luffy can touch the barrier, but he can't interfere with psychic energy, because psychic energy is based on the soul and thought. In the case that it can interfere with psychic energy, it will be a slow process, as it lacks the soul element.
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That's an NLF if I've ever seen one.
First it was he can't, now it's he can but slowly? What stops him from it? Is there a statement that backs this?
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well, as I said before, I'm not saying that luffy can affect mob's tk lol, but the barrier is Physical, which means that luffy can hit mob if he blitzes him through the speed boosters.
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Nobody has ever used Buso against G5 Luffy iirc, but Lucci of CP0 has haki in the form of Iron-Body and Luffy bypassed it with his Transmutation.
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I am a lazy son of a bitch, would anyone mind giving me the current argument for Mob so I don't need to read 3 pages of shit?
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Future sight is just seeing the future, dodging something still requires thinking and moving your body. Remember how people can see things like airplanes in slow mo and perceive lightning from a distance? Yeah, Luffy needs to think and move at a speed Mob cannot perceive from 4km away, by the time Mob thinks once, FS or not.
No.
I'm literally the one who listed this wincon first,lol. If it wasn't for this Luffy would get stomped.
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More on the fact of experience, Ritsu upon awakening his psychic power, thanks to Dimple, could barely interfere with psychic energy to the point where he could barely use it. And now with Luffy that if he interferes but he lacks both experience and the element of the soul it will take a long time to turn the barrier into rubber.
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4KM really shouldn't be anything for Luffy nor Mob to travel. Remember its not as if they're moving at human level speeds, the speed is equalized but it's still set to I believe Mob's speed so a MHS+ character wouldn't have any issues in crossing a measly 4KM.
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Again: if he sees the future SECONDS before it happens, and he CAN blitz Mob. He'd react before Mob THINKS and end it.
And he can. Luffy crossed the distance of multiple Onigashima's in one dash when he fought Kaido.
No, what's stopping the barrier from JUST being rubberized? Does it have resistance to transmutation/matter manipulation?
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