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[R1M7] Vene's Country Class Tourney: Shigeo Kageyama vs Ansen

Ansen could just teleport via her snakes before she hits the ground. But since Mob will be flying, she will (more than likely) have no way to damage him aside from trying to bisect him with Mido 2. Although, if he tries to go on the ground, he will be bisected.

If Mob goes aground, he dies... or more realistically, she would have to find a way to incapacitate him.
 
Yoriichi999 said:
Ansen could just teleport via her snakes before she hits the ground. But since Mob will be flying, she will (more than likely) have no way to damage him aside from trying to bisect him with Mido 2. Although, if he tries to go on the ground, he will be bisected.

If Mob goes aground, he dies... or more realistically, she would have to find a way to incapacitate him.
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He wouldn’t go on the ground so once she escapes he just kills her some other way.
 
How would he deal with the thousands of country-sized snakes she will summon to shield herself constantly from the buildings?

She has an infinite amount of snakes - He has to destroy the Dragon Egg to remove that capacity and destroying her stomach won't cut it. He needs Durability Negation to destroy it and as far as I can see, twisting her stomach won't do anything. He also doesn't have dura neg.

Also, something to mention is in her Release states, she has dura neg. If she is automatically in third release, this will be amplified. If she spams Ryudo 7 repeatedly (which she'll be forced to do at some point), and forces one of the slashes to bisect, he is done. You can't heal from Ryudo 7 meaning every single slash she does will be negging his durability even in flight.
 
the haalahaala is something that occurs upon her dying. However, if it is restricted, then if she dies for good, she dies. In order to actually kill Ansen you have to get rid of her Dragon Egg, "kill" the White Snake and then once the Egg is gone, kill all of her 1000 snakes.

Mob doesn't have dura neg so he won't be able to accomplish the first task.
 
the final thing to mention is this:
The white snake will always revive itself and so Ansen will continue regenerating because of this, meaning Mob will (or could) eventually run out of stamina and die.
 
Yoriichi999 said:
How would he deal with the thousands of country-sized snakes she will summon to shield herself constantly from the buildings?

She has an infinite amount of snakes - He has to destroy the Dragon Egg to remove that capacity and destroying her stomach won't cut it. He needs Durability Negation to destroy it and as far as I can see, twisting her stomach won't do anything. He also doesn't have dura neg.

Also, something to mention is in her Release states, she has dura neg. If she is third release, this will be amplified. If she spams Ryudo 7 repeatedly (which she'll be forced to do at some point), and forces one of the slashes to bisect, he is done. You can't heal from Ryudo 7 meaning every single slash she does will be negging his durability even in flight.
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How are her snakes gonna protect her from being crushed, she’s still under them. And Mob can always throw her around if that doesn’t work. Eventually she’ll tire out with just Above Average stamina.

The snakes won’t be able to do anything to Mob though. And what do you mean twisting her stomach won’t do anything? He entire body being contorted should either bypass her pain tolerance/regen or destroy the Dragon Egg inside her. Why is dura neg needed?

How much range does Ryudo 7 have and will she be able to use it before Mob just tosses her around and kills her? Also he still has forcefields so even with dura neg he can avoid before it reaches him.
Yoriichi999 said:
the haalahaala is something that occurs upon her dying. However, if it is restricted, then if she dies for good, she dies. In order to actually kill Ansen you have to get rid of her Dragon Egg, "kill" the White Snake and then once the Egg is gone, kill all of her 1000 snakes.

Mob doesn't have dura neg so he won't be able to accomplish the first task.
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Then what’s even the point of her temporary immortality and why isn’t immortality type 8 listed on her page? Also the White Snake is restricted but if it’s there, Mob can just remove it from the battlefield with telekinesis.
 
Ansen can keep absorbing energy around herself. She has telepathy and telekinesis so she can also just keep summoning snakes from her being to shield herself. She has fought someone who used a similar sealing-like attack and survived it.

Dura Neg is required to destroy the Dragon Egg because it is beyond her physical being, more specifically within her stomach. He has to actually destroy the egg itself which he won't be able to do. He would need stupidly high physical strength to crush it. Telekinesis will not work as you need to physically (not telekinetically) crush it with your hand. More snakes will keep appearing and she'll keep returning.
She is in Third Release, her stats will all keep increasing constantly and she'll keep healing.
Even if they can't do anything to Mob, they can keep firing venomous water from a distance. She can summon an earthen wall to repeatedly shield herself from any of mob's telekinetic attacks.

Ryudo 7's range isn't clear but if it has already hit him once (which it already would've at the beginning of the fight), it will keep on landing, no matter where he is, even in flight. Mob can't toss the attack away as its effect will be to hit him. Several characters have tried tossing the attack away or used forcefields but it never worked because the attack will ALWAYS land and negate his durability, causing him to be damaged. And she will spam it after getting crushed once. She also has ESP and enhanced senses so she should be able to see or sense him no matter where he is. She can then point her fingers at his location and then he gets Gojo'd.
 
Yoriichi999 said:
TLDR: The Haalahaala is poison that will kill Mob instantly if he breathes it in or if he gets struck by it via the White Snake biting him, it will near-instantly spawn throughout the entirety of the endless expanse, conceptually destroy Mob, power null him and as described in the Powers and Abilities, "negate immortality as well as erase a person's existence on the spiritual, conceptual, mental and physical level" and also he'll be burned alive and his soul will be annihilated along with his concept.
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How is this explainable, surely you know 95% of this is against the tourney rules
 
You have to keep in mind that the Haalahaala is from the White Snake and would have activated upon the White Snake and Ansen's death.
I gave a summary of the Poison. It is explainable by the fact that it occurs in Ansen's death and only Ansen's death (where it becomes visible). The White Snake has it within his fangs.

It is a part of the White Snake who will act after Ansen dies. Even then, the white snake's other abilities are to be taken into consideration and would also help in ending mob. If that is restricted, then Ryudo 7 will get her the win.
 
Yoriichi999 said:
Ansen can keep absorbing energy around herself. She has telepathy and telekinesis so she can also just keep summoning snakes from her being to shield herself. She has fought someone who used a similar sealing-like attack and survived it.

Dura Neg is required to destroy the Dragon Egg because it is beyond her physical being, more specifically within her stomach. He has to actually destroy the egg itself which he won't be able to do. He would need stupidly high physical strength to crush it. Telekinesis will not work as you need to physically (not telekinetically) crush it with your hand. More snakes will keep appearing and she'll keep returning.
She is in Third Release, her stats will all keep increasing constantly and she'll keep healing.
Even if they can't do anything to Mob, they can keep firing venomous water from a distance. She can summon an earthen wall to repeatedly shield herself from any of mob's telekinetic attacks.

Ryudo 7's range isn't clear but if it has already hit him once (which it already would've at the beginning of the fight), it will keep on landing, no matter where he is, even in flight. Mob can't toss the attack away as its effect will be to hit him. Several characters have tried tossing the attack away or used forcefields but it never worked because the attack will ALWAYS land and negate his durability, causing him to be damaged. And she will spam it after getting crushed once. She also has ESP and enhanced senses so she should be able to see or sense him no matter where he is. She can then point her fingers at his location and then he gets Gojo'd.
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Still, the snakes likely aren’t holding up when Mob starts using his telekinesis on them or throwing Ansen. And that person was likely not as strong as Mob LS wise.

You realize telekinesis just means applying force with your mind right? Anyways I think Mob has high enough LS to crush Ansen and as such destroy the egg inside her stomach. It just says her releases increase her stats, not that she’s constantly growing. It also says she has to change her release states to heal while she’s stuck in third. The water will not be able to reach Mob and he could easily destroy or take control of her earth walls.

It won’t hit him at the start because they’re 100 meters apart and Mob will be flying. And where’s it say Ryudo 7 keeps hitting? All I see is it ripping space and cause/effect. What you’re describing is a homing attack which isn’t on the page. Mon should realistically deal with her before she gets the chance to cut him.
Yoriichi999 said:
You have to keep in mind that the Haalahaala is from the White Snake and would have activated upon the White Snake and Ansen's death.
I gave a summary of the Poison. It is explainable by the fact that it occurs in Ansen's death and only Ansen's death (where it becomes visible). The White Snake has it within his fangs.

It is a part of the White Snake who will act after Ansen dies. Even then, the white snake's other abilities are to be taken into consideration and would also help in ending mob. If that is restricted, then Ryudo 7 will get her the win.
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Its still restricted and what you gave wasn’t a summary, it was an essay.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Still, the snakes likely aren’t holding up when Mob starts using his telekinesis on them or throwing Ansen. And that person was likely not as strong as Mob LS wise.

You realize telekinesis just means applying force with your mind right? Anyways I think Mob has high enough LS to crush Ansen and as such destroy the egg inside her stomach. It just says her releases increase her stats, not that she’s constantly growing. It also says she has to change her release states to heal while she’s stuck in third. The water will not be able to reach Mob and he could easily destroy or take control of her earth walls.

It won’t hit him at the start because they’re 100 meters apart and Mob will be flying. And where’s it say Ryudo 7 keeps hitting? All I see is it ripping space and cause/effect. What you’re describing is a homing attack which isn’t on the page. Mon should realistically deal with her before she gets the chance to cut him.

Its still restricted and what you gave wasn’t a summary, it was an essay.
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Then if Ansen's Dragon Egg does get destroyed, she will be forced to fight to actually kill Mob, using the remaining 1000 snakes and she will regenerate by virtue of the Third Release.

If she is forced to actually end the fight by any means once she has 1000 snakes remaining, she would immediately spam a full power Ryudo 1, 6 or 7 to end the fight as fast as possible which will cause him to explode whilst his soul is completely restrained.
 
Yoriichi999 said:
Then if Ansen's Dragon Egg does get destroyed, she will be forced to fight to actually kill Mob, using the remaining 1000 snakes and she will regenerate by virtue of the Third Release.

If she is forced to actually end the fight by any means once she has 1000 snakes remaining, she would immediately spam a full power Ryudo 1, 6 or 7 to end the fight as fast as possible which will cause him to explode whilst his soul is completely restrained.
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The snakes just get grabbed and twisted by TK and killed. And her regen won’t cover her getting severe brain damage which could happen when she’s launched into buildings.

Mob resists soul manipulation so 1 won’t work, 6 likely isn’t strong or fast enough to hold Mob and it can’t absorb psychic energy, and 7 I just don’t get how it works at this point.

I feel no matter how much we discuss this, I’ll still lean Mob.
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
This needs to be acknowledged or Ansen will need to be dq'd too. I don't wanna have to do it but again this stuff is highly against the rules
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The Haalahaala is explained in the white snake of rebirth section. It will only manifest when all of her snakes are gone and she dies. SHE CANNOT USE IT OTHERWISE.

It works because she has to die for the poison that was once visible and within the white snake's fangs to become visible. If Mob destroys all of her snakes and her, the poison will instantly manifest and kill him.
 
Yoriichi999 said:
The Haalahaala is explained in the white snake of rebirth section. It will only manifest when all of her snakes are gone and she dies. SHE CANNOT USE IT OTHERWISE.

It works because she has to die for the poison that was once visible and within the white snake's fangs to become visible. If Mob destroys all of her snakes and her, the poison will instantly manifest and kill him.
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It doesn't matter if it's conditional in that ways, you said stuff like conceptual destruction or whatever and clearly that's barred
 
MintyBoi1 said:
The snakes just get grabbed and twisted by TK and killed. And her regen won’t cover her getting severe brain damage which could happen when she’s launched into buildings.

Mob resists soul manipulation so 1 won’t work, 6 likely isn’t strong or fast enough to hold Mob and it can’t absorb psychic energy, and 7 I just don’t get how it works at this point.

I feel no matter how much we discuss this, I’ll still lean Mob.
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Ryudo 6 is an explosion. It will instakill him. Ryudo 7 instantly lands on the target. It will instantly bisect Mob if she uses it. She has to say the attack name and then the attack will bisect him or instantly land, doing damage.

But, if he does resist a full power Ryudo 6, then all her snakes eventually get annihilated, giving her the chance to use White Snake of Rebirth: Final Return and then... she either dies after the 1 minute mark or she uses her full power in Third Release, dwindling her time to 30 seconds and then sense where Mob is whilst using a full power Cause of Absolute Severance, bombarding Mob with several slashes that would threaten to bisect him and then end the fight with one final ryudo 7, killing him as she herself would die after the final 30 seconds are gone although the White Snake is a problem since it would reappear afterwards.
 
But yeah, I see Mob winning with extreme difficulty in that case, given everything unless Ansen instakills with a full power Ryudo 7 to make him Gojo'd at any point since it will slice him in half or negate his durability even in 100%.

But yeah, as I said, given everything, Mob wins with extreme diff although due to the White Snake being completely immortal (even if its abilities are restricted, it will always exist even without the Dragon Egg and Ansen), then it would be incon.
 
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