Tier High 6-A The Battle of the Beast Tournament (2023): Monkey D Luffy vs Mob Psycho 100 (Shigeo Kageyama)

[Popted2]

two things to say, first about the high regen, that counts for the astral projection of Mob, wich not only he doesn't start with it, but he did it like One time? and that was only because he was fighting a spirit inside a possessed woman

two the fighters are not 4 km from each others but 40 meters from each other as explained in the op

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Nobody has ever used Buso against G5 Luffy iirc, but Lucci of CP0 has haki in the form of Iron-Body and Luffy bypassed it with his Transmutation.

Iron-Body isn't Haki.
Kaidou used Haki against G5 Luffy.

 

[Edutyn]

Again: if he sees the future SECONDS before it happens, and he CAN blitz Mob. He'd react before Mob THINKS and end it.
And he can. Luffy crossed the distance of multiple Onigashima's in one dash when he fought Kaido.


No, what's stopping the barrier from JUST being rubberized? Does it have resistance to transmutation/matter manipulation?

Well I concede that Luffy can rubberize the barrier

 

[LordGinSama]

Luffy cannot rubberize TK itself wich is purely force.

Mob doesn't shoot out beams or waves of literally kinetic energy.

The barrier while invisible to non espers, unlike TK is made of hardened psychic energy in a non intangible state, so Luffy should be able to apply rubber properties to it.

Kenbunshoku Haki can already see invisible shit and way more than just one type of invisibility. They can see souls, camo based invisibility, true invisibility, feel air currents, etc. Luffy can see Mob's shit ez.

 

[Epiccheev]

Again: if he sees the future SECONDS before it happens, and he CAN blitz Mob. He'd react before Mob THINKS and end it.
And he can. Luffy crossed the distance of multiple Onigashima's in one dash when he fought Kaido.

My dude, reaction speed is equalized.
The same time it takes luffy to think and amp is the same time it takes for mob to think and spawn TK restrain on him. He could review all of creation in infinite speed, unless his reactions scale higher than Mob's thinking won't be faster than thinking while equalized, much less thinking and then moving.

 

[LordGinSama]

Iron-Body isn't Haki.

Wasn't it confirmed those Rokushiki abilities involved Haki awhile ago?

 

[Edutyn]

The only wincon I see for ???% would be to use astral projection

 

[Popted2]

The only wincon I see for ???% would be to use astral projection

wich he doesn't even start with it, in the first place or even used except one time

 

[SnookB]

My dude, reaction speed is equalized.

Yes.
Luffy can still stack amps on top of gear 5 regardless. Their speed is equalized G5 vs ???
Luffy can stack Soru
Use Gear 2's amp
Use Gear 4's compression
Etc, etc..

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Why does every OP debate last pages long?

 

[SnookB]

Why does every OP debate last pages long?

Cuz it's fun
I only just got here tbh

 

[Popted2]

Why does every OP debate last pages long?

mostly because the opponent is very haxed as well

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Cuz it's fun

No it ain't lol.

 

[SnookB]

No it ain't lol.

To me it is. I'm unironically learning about MOB as I go
Plus imagining their abilities interact makes for fun thoughts

 

[Epiccheev]

Yes.
Luffy can still stack amps on top of gear 5 regardless. Their speed is equalized G5 vs ???
Luffy can stack Soru
Use Gear 2's amp
Use Gear 4's compression
Etc, etc..

unless the amps apply in infinite speed such as it will be retroactively used to increase Luffy's own thinking speed before the match begins and Mob literally thinks it won't allow him to dodge being restrained the moment the match begins.

 

[Eminiteable]

Wasn't it confirmed those Rokushiki abilities involved Haki awhile ago?

Yeah

 

[Epiccheev]

To me it is. I'm unironically learning about MOB as I go
Plus imagining their abilities interact makes for fun thoughts

wtf a wholesome vsdebater?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Wasn't it confirmed those Rokushiki abilities involved Haki awhile ago?

Iron Body/Tekkai makes your muscles condense so you can't even move against an attack.
Armament Haki lets you move while coating your self in armor.
Sort of like Jozu's diamond fruit compared to the Barrier fruit.

 

[Edutyn]

Another thing that ???% can do is mimic some power it has seen before

 

[TUHTPeaSkull12]

wtf a wholesome vsdebater?

it must be protected, they are slowly disappearing.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Why does every OP debate last pages long?

And yet you're still reading each page and interacting. Lol.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

it must be protected, they are slowly disappearing.

It ain't lasting long. Trust me.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

And yet you're still reading each page and interacting. Lol.

Not even tbh. I don't even know what the main arguments are.

 

[Edutyn]

Another thing that ???% can do is mimic some power it has seen before

Like: Teleportation, Duplication, Elemental Manipulation (For Toichiro), Life Force Absorption (Unlikely) or Mind Control.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Like: Teleportation, Duplication, Elemental Manipulation (For Toichiro), Life Force Absorption (Unlikely) or Mind Control.

Snap back to reality.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Snap back to reality.

Whoop, there goes gravity-

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Whoop, there goes gravity-

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Wasn't it confirmed those Rokushiki abilities involved Haki awhile ago?

Nah, they are just stated be based of off haki

My dude, reaction speed is equalized.

Observation haki is a reaction speed Amp as well

 

[Epiccheev]

I don't think ???%'s power mimicry or Luffy's empowerment will be of much use in this fight, since the wincons are essentialy on wich thought based wincon is applied faster here.
Either Mob just thinks and restrains Luffy with TK and then starts using his forms of damaging with 5.5x AP (+ one-shot worthy upscaling) like twisting, exploiting weakpoints like eyeballs and inner ears and cutting once he notices his rubbery form.
Or Luffy sees the future, uses his amp and then moves faster than Mob's initial thought and just dura negs him to death, since he'd just blitz from then on.

 

[Edutyn]

I don't think ???%'s power mimicry or Luffy's empowerment will be of much use in this fight, since the wincons are essentialy on wich thought based wincon is applied faster here.
Either Mob just thinks and restrains Luffy with TK and then starts using his forms of damaging with 5.5x AP (+ one-shot worthy upscaling) like twisting, exploiting weakpoints like eyeballs and inner ears and cutting once he notices his rubbery form.
Or Luffy sees the future, uses his amp and then moves faster than Mob's initial thought and just dura negs him to death, since he'd just blitz from then on.

There is also astral projection

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Either Mob just thinks and restrains Luffy with TK and then starts using his forms of damaging with 5.5x AP (+ one-shot worthy upscaling) like twisting, exploiting weakpoints like eyeballs and inner ears and cutting once he notices his rubbery form.

And luffy can use conquers haki to escape it and get openings

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

like twisting, exploiting weakpoints like eyeballs and inner ears

Have you seen gear 5?

 

[Epiccheev]

There is also astral projection

That's very ooc and his body is fully unprotected when he does it.

And luffy can use conquers haki to escape it and get openings

I don't see anything what implies it would work here since Mob resists every effect it can apply on a layered level and it also pretty much only works on fodder, but you do you

 

[SnookB]

unless the amps apply in infinite speed such as it will be retroactively used to increase Luffy's own thinking speed before the match begins and Mob literally thinks it won't allow him to dodge being restrained the moment the match begins.

His reactions seemingly increase.
Gear 2 isn't a regular physical amp, it increases all bodily functions pretty much. Luffy always seems to flat out blitz his opponents and react faster than them when he uses those amps, even when they were comparable prior.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I don't see anything what implies it would work here since Mob resists every effect it can apply on a layered level and it also pretty much only works on fodder, but you do you

Both who were superior to base luffy

Those resistances are not resisting a willpower attack and or even fear manipulation

 

[Epiccheev]

His reactions seemingly increase.
Gear 2 isn't a regular physical amp, it increases all bodily functions pretty much. Luffy always seems to flat out blitz his opponents and react faster than them when he uses those amps, even when they were comparable prior.

He'd need to apply it retroactively here since both characters will decide the match in their first thought.
Mob thinks to restrain, Luffy thinks to amp. So unless the amp itself is applied in immeasurable speed and makes it so Luffy already begins the match with his reactions and speed upscaling from Mob's then it won't let him dodge an attack that simply spawns on him.

 

[TUHTPeaSkull12]

if I don't see conqueror haki or astral body being helpful.

In essence, it's luffy accelerating and killing through durability negation, or mob immobilizing through TK.

 

[Epiccheev]

Those resistances are not resisting a willpower attack and or even fear manipulation

Looking purely and entirely at our wiki's standards.
Fear manip is a subproduct of empath manip and as such resistance can be equalized.
Willpower manip counts as a mind attack, wich Mob resists many different forms of in at least 1 layer. Only reason it was argued to begin with was because people believed Mob was mindless in this form.

 

[Edutyn]

I don't think ???%'s power mimicry or Luffy's empowerment will be of much use in this fight, since the wincons are essentialy on wich thought based wincon is applied faster here.

Could mimic Mogami's Life Force Absorption

 

[SnookB]

He'd need to apply it retroactively here since both characters will decide the match in their first thought.

He does.
I can send you several instances where he goes G2 off rib, or blitzes his opponent because of future sight.