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There's an extreme difference between Sidon in BotW and how Sidon was in TotK even before the Sage bullshit. Sidon in BotW gets oneshotted by a Moblin, meanwhile Sidon is purifying water for days on end the moment he appears in TotK.
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Who said anything about Calamity Ganon?
I'd assume you meant thenfirst threat as in the threat from the first gameOr the first threat lol
I really wouldn't use that unless you mean to imply that moblin is 7-CThere's an extreme difference between Sidon in BotW and how Sidon was in TotK even before the Sage bullshit. Sidon in BotW gets oneshotted by a Moblin, meanwhile Sidon is purifying water for days on end the moment he appears in TotK.
Yeah.Isn't the only way for Sidon to get hit by anything to push him out of where he's meant to be?
Also fought off a boss to a standstill while kinda weaker from not being being in his prime in tearsLore wise his dad can take down a guardian, which in-universe is hard enough to justify a stone tablet being made to hype the event. Plus in AoC he held off a Blight Ganon and battled Calamity Ganons army with the rest. He's not like, Midna or anyone actually effective but he isn't fodder either.
That's literally where town level comes from it uses the distance from Rito village to the snowfield stables and moderate instability surr you could extend the distance by a few kilometers with there really not even that much room left to go in either direction but it'll net 7-B to 7-A at best if you're really trying to wank it upSomebody calc Colgera’s snowstorm that shit’s like island level at the worst.
Its all good fam but yeah that's where town level comes from so saying Sidon is 7-C before he gets a secret stone is like actually right…
Well guess who’s an idiot
(Hint, it’s Cal)
Everyone has a certain amount of health they have before getting knocked out. It's how civilians can "fight" Bokoblins in BotW, and they still have it in Age of Calamity like how the Monster Control Crew gets knocked out all the time.Isn't the only way for Sidon to get hit by anything to push him out of where he's meant to be? Like he's clearly not meant to be put anywhere near something like a moblin you have to repeatly push his model to places he's not supposed to go so I really wouldn't use that moblin clip as anything concrete.
...The Magical Sword isn't in either of those games. Also the Magical Sword only even worked ever because of the Silver Arrows.You want someone who ends up lacking despite the hype they get in the games they appear in? Look at Demise and especially Vaati, on god the latter gets hyped up and is even called the Demon god but man's so ass a magic sword handed out by a no name old man living in a grave is stronger than him.
The Guardian died of fall damage, he didn't like hit it hard enough to shatter it or anything. And the "stone tablet" wasn't made because he managed to kill one, it told of the battle in it's entirety.Yeah.
Lore wise his dad can take down a guardian, which in-universe is hard enough to justify a stone tablet being made to hype the event. Plus in AoC he held off a Blight Ganon and battled Calamity Ganons army with the rest. He's not like, Midna or anyone actually effective but he isn't fodder either.
Probably from a reluctance to scale him above Bomb Arrows, because they could damage Vah Medoh and at that point why would the Divine Beasts be neededAlso fought off a boss to a standstill while kinda weaker from not being being in his prime in tears
I'm saying idk why peeps here have a weird downplay and want for sidon and the others to be just 8-C
Honestly like they haven't played anything
Nah man you're seriously bugging if you think civilians are stronger and better fighters than SidonEveryone has a certain amount of health they have before getting knocked out. It's how civilians can "fight" Bokoblins in BotW, and they still have it in Age of Calamity like how the Monster Control Crew gets knocked out all the time.
We literally already discussed bombs my guyProbably from a reluctance to scale him above Bomb Arrows, because they could damage Vah Medoh and at that point why would the Divine Beasts be needed
We didn't really get anywhere beyond "Well the Bomb Arrows must be 7-C" which is a stretch. And I'm not some turbo downplayer, it's the reason why people don't want to scale Sidon and other Zoras beyond Tier 8.We literally already discussed bombs my guy
I cannot take you seriously or as a reliable source with these arguments man
Yeah no more was saidScaling them to bombs isn't crazy since bombs are like the bare minimum feat not scaling them to bombs means they're just anything potentially at the very very most 8-B bombs and bomb arrows in botw/tears aren't really low 7-B like divine beast even remotely
I mean idk we do have other stuff if we don't want to scale them to bombs
Though wait Ig bombs can harm bosses it'd either be an outlier to bombs for harming bosses or enemies who can tank them but its pretty consistent for enemies to tanks explosions and bombs
Bombs take out an early game Link who is 8-C physically in botw/tears which is still weakened beyond his normal strength so I'd say its pretty downplayed to say they can't scale to bombs
You're right. I was confusing his fight with the one Mipha did where she beat three guardians.The Guardian died of fall damage, he didn't like hit it hard enough to shatter it or anything
Magical Sword not being in those games don't matter, we have a statement about what the strongest sword in Hyrule is when the Master Sword ain't available and unfortunately for demon """""god"""" Vaati the Four Sword, which has rocked his shit 4 times, isn't that sword. Man even got upstaged by one of the weakest versions of Ganon in FSA, to the point that deku scrubs of all things started talking about how Vaati ain't all that....The Magical Sword isn't in either of those games. Also the Magical Sword only even worked ever because of the Silver Arrows.
Because they have a giant **** off laserbeam that would scale like a dozen times above them either way (Triple digit KT at minimum vs like lowerend 7-C I think? Whatever Colgera packing ig. That's a huge gap in the double digits).Probably from a reluctance to scale him above Bomb Arrows, because they could damage Vah Medoh and at that point why would the Divine Beasts be needed
I'm doing the MM overhaul, I literally just finished dumping Zora double cutter clips into imgur albums.@Dust_Collector Dunno if you're going to do an overhaul thing but here's the Majora calc
only 649 clips? I could've gotten 650 tbh
Maybe not for normal Zelda games, but the BotW canon directly integrates hearts into canon.That wouldn't work, we don't take HP damage like that as canon. They'd just be unquantifiably higher at worst if we truly got nothing to work with.
We could probably look at when they start spawning at least and go from there just to see the possibilities of what we can cook (I forget how the EXP system works, but iirc for me they didn't start coming in till temple 3).
"BotW canon"Maybe not for normal Zelda games, but the BotW canon directly integrates hearts into canon.
Best we can really do is just upscale them, using ingame damage numbers just doesn't cut it.Could we just compare them to each other based their drops fuse power
So we can't just say silver bokoblin scale above blue moblinsBest we can really do is just upscale them, using ingame damage numbers just doesn't cut it.
That's just being intentionally ignorant to the point he's actually sayingSo we can't just say silver bokoblin scale above blue moblins
The hearts have always been canon, what isn't canon is the damage dealt. By that logic a bokoblin and Ganon isn't even a magnitude apart.Maybe not for normal Zelda games, but the BotW canon directly integrates hearts into canon.
sorry I wasn't sure scaling between enemies would be possible given we can't get numbers and only know that blue, black(White for lynels) and silver versions are stronger then the form before themThat's just being intentionally ignorant to the point he's actually saying
Its all goodsorry I wasn't sure scaling between enemies would be possible given we can't get numbers and only know that blue, black(White for lynels) and silver versions are stronger then the form before them
Because it is a new universe. That's why literally nothing matches up with any other game. And why not scale them to the explosives Bokoblins love using so much?"BotW canon"
Bro why you treating this like a new universe? Plus if we used in game HP scaling then everyone, literally everyone including normal red bokoblins, would be tier 5 because even the weakest peeps would be doing some percentage of Ganondorfs damage output, we ain't using it.
Because it is a new universe. That's why literally nothing matches up with any other game.
Yeah scaling them to those seem fine, they can handle being caught within those explosions and can harm each otherAnd why not scale them to the explosives Bokoblins love using so much?