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Steampunk ~What a Beautiful Discussion Thread~ 5

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Regarding the High Godly stuff (jesus lol):

Porshion
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Probably? From the way it was described (Gonna be using your scans for this, @RM97 if you don't mind. Great blog work btw! ^^ ), Thoth caught Porshion with its attack, wrapping it around and shattering it as well as its whole body. Not only do we know its breath of death can erase all trace of human life, but it also extends to even Kikai. It then starts to regenerate, part of which seems to be from cutting off its body before the thread its connected to Gii was severed. And Kerkan even describes the state in which Porshion had just come back to which sounds as though he was describing Porshion's original death.

It probably could get it. Although this part here describing how to "beat" a Kikai makes me wonder if it can still get it.

Ultharathotep and Tesla
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On Ultharathotep, definitely a maybe here or not. Although I do think it's higher than what we give him. When Tesla shot his Alternate Buster linked above, the narration described it as a "searing light" that engulfed the Rose Ruler, "swallowing it whole" which obviously implies Tesla was going all in for the kill by completely destroying the Golden King's form. But ofc that didn't last long. Seeing as Tesla's light can burn off Equation beings, which doubles as burning and erasing things like color, information, and maybe even possibilities if any of you all think him affecting Critters is legit enough, and the fact GK was completely shattered, that would have to count for something beyond High-Mid...I think.

Of Tesla, about the same. Both were said to be roughly equal in regards to their regeneration in both speed and potency. Tesla on his part did it when he was at his most fragile and lowest in energy right after blasting TFO of Ultharathotep, and he also came back in full after Neon got to him.

Hmm...it's something to consider, methinks.
 
Cool, Low 7-C is looking pretty good for the Inganock top tiers.

As for the regen stuff, also sounds very interesting.
 
Looking at it, probably would tie for 2nd cause of abstract status alone.

#1 is too much, cause of lol passive law hax that nulls abilities, not to mention actually being able to affect them, op purification that rejects everything that should not be in the world, 2-A bfr etc.

But they should get far. After the calc is accepted, someone has to make a thread addressing all this, not to mention M's type 5 and 9 immortality.
 
noice on that. I'm just curious we have anything that goes with high godly in inganock? I mean as RM pointed out porshion did regen yet we sort of need to know what is how thoth's death thing works. should be similar to gii's attacks
 
@TISSG7Redgrave Not really. The highest regen rn is Porshion's feat from regenerating from Thoth's attack.

Thoth, as you may see in the scans linked above, takes the form of a roar that erases humans and even shatter Kikai. Said roar can envelop a space of a few hundred meters, even shaking it and like with Critters and Kikai, you still die from it even if you dodge the breath directly cuz of space hax shenanigens.

Porshion, an Evolved Kikai like Thoth (Xerxes), got caught in it and was shattered completely apparently. Part of how it can still regen is the "conditions" to defeat a Kikai. Either sever the thread its connected to its host or completely destroy it. Since neither happened, Porshion could still regen from Thoth's uber death/EE hax.
 
i mean tbf he did kill of critters made up of pure info and that's base. Wasn't it also stated kikais > critters no? Been a while since inganock
 
Seeing as even Oro and Zahhak can shatter even Critters, yeah. Although in terms of level of existence, they're the same.

Edit: This what I mean by being of the same. They plus the Monsters mentioned throughout Inganock come from the same source (Cracking, or Grimm=Grimm in this case), with Kikai and Critter both going up a notch...or more by existing as possibilities and even as information.
 
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Yeah no worries. And thanks lol.

As for Regen, I do think both Ultrathotep and Tesla should get High Godly considering they were able to heal/regen themselves on a level beyond Mind, Soul, Body due to the nature of their attacks capable of destroying metaphysical stuffs like information.
 
I remembered smth about how kikais and critters are possibilities only as QB pointed out and bandersnatch is basically information critter no? I do know that erasing all their existence + the info is high godly. If that qualifies then kikais and critters can have it which will allow tesla and ultrathotep to scale as GK's attacks kill critters easily (maybe regen neg owo) which tesla regen from still.
 
I can maybe see that then, yeah.

Also what probably helps even more for Tesla's case is that in Metaspace (Wallace Network place in Gahkthun), the line between his consciousness and body is "blurry" for him. Meaning there's no difference between being in the physical world or in a place full of information for an Illusion and Avatar like Tesla, so he can feel hungry and use his lightning even in said place.

「人間と違って、私は意識と肉体の境界が曖昧だからな」
"Unlike humans, the line between consciousness and body becomes blurry for me." -Novel Anthology, Dragon of Deception
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Pretty sure I also f'd up this TL when I first did it but after looking at it, Tesla's "abstract existence" still draws me towards him as much as Lily's and M's...spoiler for Lily again but you guys will really like learning about her.
 
Merry Early/Late Christmas everyone. Here's a Sona Nyl Christmas fanart starring its own Alice, Lily! ^^


Also saw this. If this goes through, I think I found another good opponent for Kyrie. Albeit I'll have to do like Red's and likely restrict the Cracking weapons.

I also had another add on for the next CRT but I wanna wait up on RM first for that Gahkthun calc. This way it saves some time having to make another one when I can do it all in one.
 
All right, I promised the GK calc and here it is.

GK would be 6-C while Ultrathotep would be High 6-A.

Hopefully, this gets accepted but someone pls post in the calc evaluation thread.
 
hmm maybe doe tbf if his cracking field which is planetary has the atomizing gaze thing it was said to be low 5-B cuz of how it was planetary. But eh..
 
@RM97 I can get right on it.

@TISSG7Redgrave I'm pretty sure you can still be considered planetary even if you don't actually destroy the planet or some such, like doing major wide AOE damage to countries and continents but still leaving the planet intact otherwise.

It was also Low 5-B mainly cuz of GK's Cracking Field continuously expanding throughout the fight between him and Tesla until it matched the earth itself. Although the fact it was said to be "continuously expanding" could be implied to go beyond earth size but that's going off some vague assumptions of how far GK's Cracking Field could have gone up to while in Ultharathotep.
 
Man I wish there was an Inganock anime done by either Madhouse, Mappa, or Ufotable. Would be pretty epic if it happened. It'll be even more epic if WAB gets all it's series animated.
 
It would just get butchered like most VN anime adaptations.

It would give the series more exposure, which would be good though.
 
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I'd watch any of them if it at least keeps enough of the things that happen in each VN. Obviously would get butchered since its an anime and there wouldn't be enough episodes to properly explain most of the stuff.
 
I think a 24 episode anime could do a decent enough job, though not perfect, but we all know if it got an anime it would be 12 episodes and butchered.

That's one of the major issues with VN adaptations they always wanna compress 35-50 hour stories into 12 episodes.
 
Just like Dies Irae.

Good thing is it getting some attention and, real talk, it does show stuff that was mentioned or talked about in the VN but giving it actual animation or showing in a flashback or whatnot. Bad thing is it has 12 episodes, getting butchered, and like VN adaptation fashion, it doesn't explain the things that you would know how or why it happened or what's going on in the VN when a character talks about said events.
 
Well, this is the new year, and from that, we got more time for Sona Nyl to be released and...hopefully soon. And for myself in particular, some remaining works to go through I got left. And to start things off while waiting cuz yeah...I'll just post some of the stuff Sakurai once tweeted about that's pretty interesting at least since it expands some stuff the VN's may not have ever really tell you on beyond just bits of info here and there.

Although considering the only dropdown menu's we got for this is just the spoiler tags, that's the only alternative I got beyond making anymore than two posts of stuff I just want to post up.

スチームパンクってなんなのさー

蒸気機関の発達で空は青空を永遠に失い、ヴィクトリア朝は190X年まで続き、新大陸は「合衆国」と「南部連合」に別れ、NYは消滅し、フランスはナポレオン3世が革命に失敗しブルボン第3王朝となり、トルコにはオスマン機関帝国が健在。そして北海の果てに異境（カダス）への門が発生　（1/2）

このあたりの歴史の流れの歪みが「蒸気機関の発達」と関わり、毎作品のテーマと何処かでいつも結びついているのが、わたしのスチームパンク・シリーズです。　(2/2)

先述した「蒸気機関」「歴史のねじれ」といった要素は、必ずしもスチームパンク作品になくてはならない要素ではありません。わたしのスタンスは、一貫して「ジャンルというのは、きっと、ふわふわしている」で、スチームパンクもまた然り。

なにより、スチームパンクは親和性に優れたものです。なにを足してもおいしい！　ヾ(´▽｀*)ﾉ現にわたしのところでも、冒険活劇でロードムービーな『セレナリア』、スチームパンク／サイバーパンクで閉鎖都市な『インガノック』、ヴィクトリアン・オカルト・ホラーな『シャルノス』……

（つづき）砂漠でアラビアンな『ヴァルーシア』、ゴシック・ファンタジーな『ソナーニル』、巨大学園でヒロイックな『ガクトゥーン』、ポスト・アポカリプスな『カルシェール』……と、毎作ごとに味付けを変えています。料理しがいのあるおいしい素材、という一面はスチームパンクの重要ポイントです。

What is Steampunk?

With the development of the Steam Engine, the sky lost its blue sky forever, the Victorian Age lasted until 190X, the New World split into the United States and the Confederacy, New York disappeared, Napoleon III failed in his revolution in France and became the 3rd Bourbon dynasty, and the Ottoman Empire is alive and well in Turkey. And then, at the end of the North Sea, the gate to another world (Kadath) arises (1/2).

This distortion of the historical flow is related to the "development of the Steam Engine" and is always connected to the theme of each work in my Steampunk Series. (2/2)

The aforementioned elements of "Steam Engines" and "Historical Twists" are not necessarily indispensable to my Steampunk works. My stance has always been that "genres are fluffy, I'm sure," and Steampunk is no different.

Above all, Steampunk has an excellent affinity. It tastes good no matter what you add to it!　In fact, at my place, we have "Celenaria," A road movie adventure, "Inganock," a steampunk/cyberpunk in an enclosed city, and "Sharnoth," a Victorian occult horror...

(cont'd) Each film has a different flavor: the desert Arabian "Valusia", the gothic fantasy "Sona Nyl", the Giant School of Heroics "Gakthun", the Post-Apocalyptic "Karsheel" ...One aspect of steampunk is that it is a delicious material that is worth cooking.

幻想について。

スチームパンク・シリーズにおける二十世紀の地球では、妖精や神霊のような幻想の実在は確認されていない。一部のオカルティストの間では太古には生物として実在していたとか、ある種の高次的存在であった等と言われるが、信じる者は多くない。　（1/4）

前世紀の悲劇として知られるセイレム裁判に於いて”魔女”のひとりが証言したところによれば、幻想の諸王は黒の城、黒の宮殿、暗黒星、シャルノス等と呼称される異空の果てに集ったが、やがて消失したという。　（2/4）

"魔女”の言に依れば、地球に於ける幻想の諸王（神々）は消え失せたが、深宇宙より飛来した黒の王（暗黒の宇宙空間、蕃神/そとなるかみ、ニャルラトテップなどと称される。幻想の諸王が消え去るまでの間に身を寄せていた”シャルノス"のあるじとも）だけは、今なお存在するという。　（3/4）

一方で、カダス地方に於ける遺跡研究では近年で興味深い発見があった。これまでカダス地方には"神"の概念が存在せず、地球と同様の宗教は存在しないとされていたが、数千年前の古代カダス文明に於いては著しく頃なり、巨人の如き"神々"を崇拝していた可能性があるという。　(4/4)

地球の幻想：いない（完全消失or死の眠り）地球の神々（諸王）：いない 黒の王：いる？月の王：いる？カダスの神々：いない カダスの超越種（ドラゴンなど）：数体いる イリジア（エリシア）：？？（20世紀初頭）

About Illusions.

In the 20th century Earth of the Steampunk Series, the existence of illusions such as fairies and gods has not been confirmed. Some occultists say that they existed as living beings in ancient times, or that they were some kind of higher-order beings, but not many people believe them.　(1/4)

According to the testimony of one of the "witches" of the Salem Trials, a tragedy of the last century, the kings of illusion gathered at the edge of the sky, called the Black Castle, the Black Palace, the Dark Star, Sharnoth, etc., but eventually disappeared.　(2/4)

According to the "witch," the kings of illusion (gods) on earth have disappeared, but the Black King that flew from outer space (known as the Dark Universe, Outer God, Nyarlathotep, etc. He is also known as the lord of Sharnoth who let the kings of illusions come near until they all disappeared) is said to be the only one who still exists.　(3/4)

On the other hand, the study of archaeological sites in the Kadath region has made some interesting discoveries in recent years. It has been said that there is no concept of "god" in the Kadath region and that there is no religion similar to that of the Earth, but there is a possibility that the ancient Kadath civilization of several thousand years ago worshipped them like giants.　(4/4)
  • Earth's illusion: No (completely vanished or are in a sleep of death)
  • Earth's gods (kings): No
  • Black King: Yes?
  • Moon King: Yes?
  • Gods of Kadath: No.
  • Transcendent species of Kadath (dragons, etc.): Some
  • Irisia (Elysia): ? (Early 20th century)

──《結社》こと「西インド会社」について。

欧州全土の闇を統べるとされる大組織であり、中世以前から存在する知識の探求を標榜する巨大な秘密結社であり、謎めいた陰謀と計画を張り巡らせて暗躍する超国家間組織であり、あらゆる重大犯罪や策謀に関与している──　それが《結社》の深層の姿です。

巨大に過ぎる大組織ゆえ、《結社》には複数の下部組織が存在しています。総帥代行《黄金王》ローゼンクロイツを奉ずる王立教団（ロイヤルオーダー）、暗黒管区（ダーク）、最高幹部のひとりアダム・ヴァイスハウプトの率いるイルミナティ、ブルー・ロッジ、等々…

《結社》はさまざまな下部組織が合一することで「世界最大の秘密結社」と呼ばれるに足る規模の大組織を成立させています。中核となるのは英国及び神聖都市ローマの勢力であると言われますが、定かではありません。未だ知られざる地下深くの超古代遺跡こそが真の本拠地なのだ、といった説もあります。

下部組織群のすべてに共通する特徴は、総帥 トート・アルトタス・ヘルメースへの絶対的な忠誠です。構成員たちはすべてを捧げています。名も、血脈も、過去も、未来さえも。

構成員たちによる総帥への忠誠は熱狂的であり、決して裏切りは許されません。東洋のニンジャじみて、《結社》から離れようとした構成員は必ず処理されます。

が。一方で、総帥トートが《結社》へもたらした決して多くはない言葉には、結束を求める類のものはひとつもありません。

総帥の言葉は一種の聖典のように扱われ、《結社》内の各派によってそれぞれに解釈されています。多くの場合は、自らの属する勢力にとって有利に働くように受け止められているでしょう。──奇しくも、総帥の言葉のひとつ「きみたちにはすべてが許されている」の通りに。

現在の《結社》を大組織として作り上げたのは、総帥本人ではなく、幾度か総帥代行を努めた《黄金王》ローゼンクロイツそのひとである、という説もあります。《結社》の源流の更なる源流となった、とても古い──中世以前から存在していた古い秘密結社の盟主こそが彼であった、という理由からです。

（源流組織にあっては、人間の構成員は殆ど存在しなかった──という噂もあります）

1906年まで総帥代行を努めていた《教授》ことジェイムズ・モリアーティによって、《結社》は現在の大組織形態へと至ったものとされています。

総帥の正体については、完全機関人間であるとか、トートの名の通りなのだとか、アルトタスの名の通りであるとか、東方の三賢者のモデルとなったただひとりの人物なのだとか（《万能王》レオナルド・ダ・ヴィンチの自称と矛盾しますね）、三体いるとか──

──「バルタザール体、メルキオール体、カスパール体」による三位一体の存在であるとか、メルキオール体のみ《黄金王》じみてさまざまな体を渡り歩いているとか、バルタザール体とカスパール体は動かないとか、さまざまに言われています。

（「東方の三賢者」については、レオの自称だけではなく、《黄金王》もそう呼ばれていましたね）

《結社》の中でも特に変わった説（多くの派閥や下部組織では総帥の正体を探ることは禁忌として即座に粛正対象となりますが、中には密かに調査を続けている派もあります）では、「他の天体から飛来した光輝なるものが人の姿を借りている／人の身に光臨めされた」といったものもあります。

他天体飛来説を三位一体説と結びつけて「カスパール体は他天体から飛来した光輝であり、それがカダスの月である」とする説はかなりの異端です。ただ「神」とする説もありますし、「超人そのもの」と叫ぶ幹部もいます。

以上、某さんからの「そういえば《結社》ってどうなってるんだっけ？」という質問を受けて、改めてまとめてみました。

そうそう、幹部級（下部組織ではなく《結社》中核の）でも最高幹部ぐらいになると、割と自由に《結社》を離れたりします。例えば、《白銀王》ワーグナーやK・H・ハウスホーファなど

あっハウスホーファーはＫＥハウスホーファーですね（ヴァルーシアblogで確認してしまう始末）

そういった「一部の」最高幹部たちは、場合によれば総帥代行となる可能性のある、特別な人物です。

About the "West India Company", the《Society》.

The West India Company is a large organization that is said to control the darkness of the whole of Europe, a huge secret society that has existed since before the Middle Ages and advocates the quest for knowledge, a supranational organization that is darkly involved in mysterious plots and schemes, and is involved in all kinds of serious crimes and schemes... That is the《Society》at its core.

Because it is so huge, there are multiple subordinate organizations within the organization. There is the Royal Order under the leadership of Rosenkreutz, the 《Golden King》, the Dark District (Dark), the Illuminati under the leadership of Adam Weishaupt, one of its top executives, the Blue Lodge, and so on...

The various subordinate organizations of the "Society" have combined to form a large organization that is large enough to be called "the world's largest secret society". The core of the organization is said to be the forces of Britain and the Holy City of Rome, but the truth is unknown. There is also a theory that the true headquarters of the organization is a super-ancient site deep underground that has yet to be discovered.

The common feature of all the subordinate groups is their absolute loyalty to their General, Althotus Thoth Hermes. The members of the group have given their all. Their names, their bloodlines, their past, even their future.

The loyalty of the members to the General is fervent, and betrayal is not tolerated. Like ninjas of the Orient, any member who tries to leave the《Society》will be dealt with.

But. On the other hand, in the not-so-many words that General Thoth has brought to the《Society》, there is not a single one that calls for unity.

His words are treated as a kind of scripture and interpreted differently by each faction within the society. In many cases, they are taken to be advantageous to the forces to which they belong. Oddly enough, one of the General's words is "You are allowed to do anything."

There is a theory that it was not the General but the《Golden King》Rosenkreuz himself, who has served as the general's representative on several occasions, who created the current《Society》as a large organization. This is because he was the leader of a very old secret society that had existed since before the Middle Ages, which became the further source of the origin of the《Society》.

(There are rumors that there were almost no human members in the original organization.

It is also believed that James Moriarty, the《Professor》, who served as acting general until 1906, is responsible for the formation of the "Society" into the large organization it is today.

As for the identity of the General, it is said that he is a complete Engine Human, or that he is as his name suggests, he is the only model for the Three Wise Men of the East (contradicting the self-proclaimed "Universal King" Leonardo da Vinci), or that he has three bodies...

It has been said that there are three of them, that they are a trinity of "Balthazar, Melchior, and Caspar," that only Melchior's body is like the "Golden King" and that he moves from one body to another, and that Balthazar and Caspar do not move.

(As for the "Three Wise Men of the East," it wasn't just Leo who called himself that, but the《Golden King》as well.)

Some of the most unusual theories (many factions and subordinate organizations immediately purge the leader's identity as it is forbidden to find out who he is, but some of them continue to investigate secretly) are that "a radiant thing from another celestial body has borrowed the form of a human being or has been made to glow in the human body."

The theory that "Caspar is a luminary from another celestial body, which is the moon of Kadath" is quite a heresy. However, there are some who believe that it is a god, and there are also executives who shout that it is a superhuman itself.

In response to a certain person's question, "Oh, by the way, what's going on with the 《Society》?" so I summarized it here again.

Yes, even the top executives (not the subordinate organizations, but the core of the《Society》) can leave rather freely. For example, 《Silver》Wagner and K.H. Haushofer.

Oh, Haushofer is KE Haushofer, isn't he (I had to check the Valusia blog)

"Some" of these top executives are special people who may become the Acting General in some cases.

Mさんの話をしましょうか

彼は《結社》の最上級エージェントです（でした）。なんで最高幹部の一員じゃないの、と思われがちですが、組織の運営に関わる気が毛頭ないからですね

《結社》のエージェントは兵器のようなものなので、最上級といえば、もはや歩く戦略兵器。（ここでパタリロから『歩く武器庫』というフレーズを思い出して脱線しそうになる桜井さん）

形式上は、ひとの形をしているのでやっぱり「最上級エージェント」なのでした。人型じゃない顕現体なら、別の呼ばれ方をしたかも

邪神界隈では相当優しい人と思われがちですが、よく見ると　それほど優しくは　ありません。カルシェールでも優しくない部分がチラッ。

宇宙のあらゆる暗黒、闇、影……あらゆる「黒」の王である彼にとって、惑星上の出来事はあまりに微細です。人間が顕微鏡でアメーバの活動を観察するよりもさらに微細

黄金瞳でほのかに輝いている部分は割と見えていますが、それ以外は…

「無限連続する複層宇宙　を　幾つか破壊した」（意訳）は、その優しくなさのあらわれです。それらの宇宙にも、知性体のいる惑星はあったかもしれない。けれども、黄金瞳の欠片はなかった

現象や法則──そういうものだ、とメアリに語ったのはホームズ氏です。一方で氏は、彼に「お前は人間だ」とも語っています。

ホームズ氏が間違えるはずはないので、つまり…

人間にとっての顕微鏡より微細な活動の中に、輝きもなく、それでももしも、何かを見出したとしたら…

え？　インガノックWebノベルで砂地獄にハマッてたのはなぜか？　「これ、加減間違えると都市破壊になるな」と彼が考えて…　というのをあの時点で書いてしまう訳にはいかなかったんｄ…

Let's talk about M.

He is (or was) a top-level agent of the《Society》. People tend to wonder why he's not a member of the upper echelons, but it's because he has no intention of getting involved in the management of the organization.

Agents of the《Society》are like weapons, so the highest level is like a walking Tactical Weapon.

Formally, it was still a "top level agent" because he had the shape of a person. If he didn't have a humanoid manifestation, he might have been called something else.

In the world of evil gods, people tend to think of him as a kind person, but on closer inspection, he is not so kind. There are glimpses of the not-so-gentle side of this in Karsheel.

For him, the king of all "black", darkness, and shadows of the universe, the events on the planet are too minuscule. Even more minuscule than a human observing the activity of an amoeba under a microscope.

The parts that are faintly shining with Golden Eyes are rather visible, but the rest...

"Some of the infinite series of multilayered universes have been destroyed," is an expression of his kindness. Even in those universes, there may have been planets with intelligent lifeforms. But there were no fragments of the Golden Eye.

It was Mr. Holmes who told Mary that such phenomena and law are what they are. On the other hand, he also told her, "You're a human being."

Mr. Holmes couldn't be wrong, so...

If, in an activity finer than a microscope to a human being, without a sparkle, yet, if he found something...

Huh? Why did I get hooked on the gritty hell in the Inganok Webnovel? I thought, "If I get this wrong, I'll destroy the city..." So I couldn't just write that at that point...

Here's the link for some of this stuff above, and this link again for the M stuff.

There's not really much for me to post here since there's some info I'd probably need to look at from Celeneria. Funnily enough, Sakurai actually posts up a list of guides for anyone to want to know all of this...which is literally posting up links from official websites on keywords to like a guidebook from Celeneria cuz some of the stuff she posted up there is related to some things brought up back in the first game (which is, ofc, Celeneria).

That's one book I could make a buy on later just to get to expanding some stuff for the series. Not now though cuz COVID's too much of a B-word that getting things now from Japan overseas takes so long to get around.

But I still plan to do these kinds of works, and with how I am but more active at least, I have plenty of time to get whatever I have done...and money kinda well-spent on books too ^^;
 
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So yeah the summary of these stuff are:
  • Steampunk's version of Earth literally started to change up because of the Steam Engine's creation, and with that being why 1822 is the year from which things take a turn from our reality. And that's just one of them as I can't really say for the other things like Illusions and historical characters either becoming badasses or genderbent in some cases (Sebastian Moran being one iirc), or that Cthulhu Mythos is real here and characters that would actually be fictional like James Moriarty are a thing
  • If what I got is correct, supposedly most people on Earth actually DK that illusions like faeries and gods actually existed nor many of them, if they did, would have believed they were actual living beings or some kind of higher-order being...whatever that can mean but it may imply they're some kind of higher existence but Sakurai being Sakurai well...very vague as hell. T
    • Granted the kanji for "higher-order being" (高次的存在) can also be read as "meta-being" which would be fitting for beings like Old Ones being called metaphysical entities. Although if we do take higher-order instead, that at least may tell their existence is greater than normal humans like how Mason described Tesla as being both "powerful" yet "fragile".
      • The only illusions up to date that exist are the Black King/M, the Moon King/Tick-Tock-Man and some transcendent species like dragons that seem to be present in Celeneria (or at least that games setting). The Elder Gods are a question mark though, meaning they are illusions but could be of a different kind from Earth and Kadath's or just literally unknown to everyone in-universe. There's also the fact that Tesla (adopting the Thunderbird's existence) and Dagon exist, and apparently those Engine Spirits in Inganock are present post-VN means they are still more illusory beings around, just very minuscule in comparison.
  • Nothing much new of the Society but here we know what they're all about, as well as some more info as to what Thoth may or may not actually be including some odd theory of his relation to Kadath's Moon, which is the largest known fragment of A.Z.Z.T as far as we know. And ofc the info of them being total fanatics is another and how some top executives of the Society can actually represent the Society as its Acting General, as we've seen and been told of with Rosenkreuz and Moriarty (the real one)
  • M, nothing much new here. Just Sakurai repeating M's thing of devouring those infinite universes, and how M is like a "Tactical Grade Weapon" or whatever, which sounds like he's a much stronger unit to that of the normal agents being just "weapons" which ofc given who he is and his power is very fitting.
 
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Cool. He could take spots in the strongest charas (Both Smurf and Non-Smurf lists) 6-C and High 6-A maybe?
 
Surprised the GK one got evaluated sooner.

once the Stone Golem one is done, we can get that CRT going planned out then.
 
Been thinking something and I want to ask these:

  • Yog Sothoth embodies all of Space and Time in WAB while existing beyond them, right?
  • Edison devoured Yog and became all of Space and Time, right?
  • M and Edison are likely equal before Edison's devouring, right?
 
Yog controls all space-time while existing outside of it, is what i remember being said, but yea M and Edison were equals before Edison devoured Yog, cause Edison is another M, same existence, same function etc.
 
Yog could also just be controlling it but knowing how Yog is as a being that exists outside of it, it's not far off to apply that to WAB Yog, and Edison after devouring Yog.

And to M and Edison, I would say so. The fandisc portion vid we have that's still in existence (on YT no less) states of Tick Tock Man being of Jet Black, but a manifestation of the Moon King rather than the Black King, with M's inner monolouge pointing it as having the same everything like name, existence, function/feature (whichever meaning we use for it), etc. Downright to actually calling him as "another Nyarlathototep" at the end.

So pretty much what M does, Edison should likely also be able to do the same and this before adding in the fact he's the creator of Cracking and having Yog's Space-time powers and the Oblivion Golden Eye.
 
Tbh was hoping for 5D/Low 1-C M, Edison, and Yog. But with what we got, that doesn't seem to be convincing.
 
Edison and Yog possibly, but M though? Nope, i don't see it cause Edison after devouring Yog is clearly superior to M if he was already equal to him before the devouring, and that's not even factoring the Oblivion Eye.

The statements of being outside space-time and controlling aren't enough atm, that's why i am hoping we get something good in Sona-Nyl, i wouldn't be surprised if Edison gets stated to be someone who sees everything as fiction or something.

We can only hope that is the case.
 
Based on what you both said, the scaling would be something like this:

Edison+Yog > Edison = M > Yog

So M should likely scale too.

Edit: Unless ofc there's some specific stuff or missing context where normally Yog > Edison or M. Which would mean Edi-Yog > Yog > Edison = M
 
Still waiting on Mangagamer to actually update once again...

Their last update was on November 21st iirc.
 
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