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Spider-Man: No Way Home Discussion Thread - WITH SPOILERS

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ArkhamDC06 said:
Hum, Doctor Strange taking an explosion directly to the face without having the time to realize Goblin put a bomb in the box he was literally holding in his hands and didn't use Magic to protect himself would beg to differ
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He probably meant the High 8-C stuff.
Literally everyone's taken a Pumpkin Bomb at this point, it's like a rite of passage.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Hum, Doctor Strange taking an explosion directly to the face without having the time to realize Goblin put a bomb in the box he was literally holding in his hands and didn't use Magic to protect himself would beg to differ
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I was talking about the High 8-C weaponry. Not the bombs. Everyone scales to the bombs. Like Chariot said, it's a rite of passage at this point.
 
Chariot190 said:
Actually, we could probably flesh that out a bit. Maybe something like this?

Attack Potency: Building level (Almost equal to Spider-Man who could tank his Pumpkin Bombs point-blank, capable of trading blows and nearly beating him on two separate occasions, as well as briefly subduing him with a stab during No Way Home), Varies, up to Large Building level with weaponry (Carbonized 6 people with a specialized Pumpkin Bomb and another bomb could later vaporize Eddie Brock and the Symbiote. His missiles could blow up bunker and create a large explosion).

Something like that? As well as an addition of something like "Could overwhelm Spider-Man (Tom) in their initial fight, soundly defeating him, before being defeated in their second fight" and "Could slice through one of Otto's tentacles" for his weaponry. Plus whatever else notable happened in NWH as well as any future calcs, like his suplex might be worth noting? (Obviously we can't add clips atm).

Give or take, obviously we can change some wording, and I'm not sure if we accept High 8-C Gob tech, though it ain't like anyone scales to it unfortunately.
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We can’t put the 8-C related stuff in the High 8-C weaponry, that’s gonna lead to a ton of confusion. The missile stuff looks pretty good though

Mentioning the Tom thing is a bit of a misinterpretation. Goblin has outright mocked Peter twice that he couldn’t fight him seriously because he was so determined to save him and the other villains. It’s more impressive of Tom’s end that he endured the beating from Goblin
 
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Lonkitt said:
We can’t put the 8-C related stuff in the High 8-C weaponry, that’s gonna lead to a ton of confusion. The missile stuff looks pretty good though
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Exactly what I was gonna say. Just make it "8-C by himself and with bombs, upto High 8-C with missiles".
 
Green Goblin:
Attack Potency: Building level physically and with Pumpkin Bombs (Almost equal to Spider-Man who could tank his Pumpkin Bombs point-blank, capable of trading blows and nearly beating him on two separate occasions, as well as briefly subduing him with a stab during No Way Home. Disintegrated 6 people with a specialized Pumpkin Bomb), up to Large Building level with missiles (Capable of blowing up a bunker and creating large explosions)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Kept up with the Spider-Man from his universe in all of their battles. Managed to avoid and land a few attacks on a serious alternate Spider-Man, albeit being overwhelmed ultimately)

Durability: Building level (Enhanced by the same formula that granted his son to survive a Pumpkin Bomb explosion up close)

New Goblin:
Attack Potency: Building level (Harmed Spider-Man), up to Large Building level with special weaponry (Glassed Giant Sandman's arm using his Glider. His Glider can utilize missiles not unlike those his father used to destroy Quest's bunker and create large explosions)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Landed multiple attacks on Spider-Man despite the experience gap)

Durability: Building level (Tanked his own Pumpkin Bomb exploding in his face, only ending up with facial scars)

And two more I forgot

Vulture:
Attack Potency: Building level (Harmed Spider-Man. His Chitauri Energy Rifle was capable of slicing a Ferry in half after accidentally being exposed to radiation)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Could avoid webs from Spider-Man as well as intercept his attempt to web Shocker)

Durability: Building level (Took a hit from Spider-Man, albeit he was holding back)

Shocker:
Attack Potency: Human level, Building level with Shocker Gauntlets (Wields upgraded versions of Crossbones' Gauntlets which were used to harm Captain America)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ attack speed with Shocker Gauntlets (Could blast Spider-Man)

Durability: Human level
 
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Revising the simple drafts I had for Sandman and Electro:

Electro:
Attack Potency: At least Building level, likely higher (Fought against Giant Sandman. Overpowered the Spider-Man of his universe. Utilizes cloud-to-ground lightning as a common attack) | Multi-City Block level (Was said to be stronger than his Spider-Man had ever seen before, now amplified by the same Arc Reactor used for Tony Stark's Mark 6-47 suits. One shotted Doctor Octopus. Overpowered three different Spider-Men at the same time)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed, reactions, and attack speed (Uses lightning to attack, with it being able to able to mess with electronic devices, flow through water and metal objects. Can also use energy and lightning from power plants. Is able to turn into electricity)

Durability: At least Building level, likely higher (Could not be physically defeated by Spider-Man) | Multi-City Block level (Far more durable than before due to the Arc Reactor's amplification)

Sandman:
Attack Potency: Building level (Could fight Spider-Man) | At least Building level, likely higher (Fought against Electro. Overpowered the Spider-Man from his world and the one from the MCU on separate occasions. Tore up sections of a building under construction with casual swats)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Kept up with his Spider-Man in their battles. Managed to tag Venom) | Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Kept up with Electro)

Durability: Building level (Took hits from Spider-Man) | At least Building level, likely higher (Shielded off Electro's attacks. A swing kick from the Spider-Man of his universe was ineffective in harming him)
 
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Sir_Marvulous said:
The black ooze left behind isn't the full Venom symbiote, otherwise it would be way larger. It's only a piece of it.
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Yep, MCU can now use Venom without actually using Tom Hardy since Sony Venom since to be pretty much a anti-hero. They can't really turn him into a full villain overnight. I hope we get Flash as Venom in the MCU though I wish Flash was recast.
 
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Since no one's gonna mention it, anyone have any theories as to where they'll go with the piece of Sony Venom that remained in the MCU main reality? All we can say for certain is that we're definitely gonna see a Black Suit Spider-Man, maybe even a complete use of the Symbiote. Spider-Venom, perhaps?
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Let There Be Carnage post-credits mentions a "symbiote hive mind that spans universes". You can use this to say that the Venom symbiote knew about Raimi Peter's identity through the Spider-Man 3 Venom symbiote.
 
Also, I take it we can also discuss Multiverse of Madness since the trailer for that is the second post-credits scene of this movie?

If so, then what do you think is up with that Doctor Strange Supreme at the end there? I think he's not the same as What-If Strange Supreme, but has the same powers and is mostly similar.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Also, I take it we can also discuss Multiverse of Madness since the trailer for that is the second post-credits scene of this movie?

If so, then what do you think is up with that Doctor Strange Supreme at the end there? I think he's not the same as What-If Strange Supreme, but has the same powers and is mostly similar.
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Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the same one from what if...? Even if it isn't, it'd be adjacent to that one, like how their's gonna be a bunch of evil Kangs.
 
sanicspood said:
wouldnt integrated suit be logically high 8-c? its literally the iron spider merged into his bosco suit
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It wouldn't, we went over this earlier in the thread. It only really gave Peter a sick looking Emblem, but the rest of his body wasn't coated in the same kind of armour/tech (this is supported by how it wasn't bulletproof)

Iron Spider will be going down to At least 8-C anyways
 
High 8-C is the result of upscaling 8-C+ Iron Man suits, but the scaling only makes sense if an Arc Reactor is involved

The Iron Spider is still stronger than his base form though since it's stated to be more durable and it has an advanced power source as shown in FFH
 
I just watched this in theaters, and everyone clapped when Toby came out.
Was kinda disappointed with the whole "Everyone loses their memories and Eddie Brock is gone" ending, though.
Otherwise amazing movie.

Anyways, following this thread.
 
FinePoint said:
I just watched this in theaters, and everyone clapped when Toby came out.
Was kinda disappointed with the whole "Everyone loses their memories and Eddie Brock is gone" ending, though.
Otherwise amazing movie.

Anyways, following this thread.
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The "Everyone loses their memories" was actually a good thing for me. It was a mature ending with Peter finally stopping being a geeky teenager with a fun life and accepted he had to sacrifice his whole life to avoid immense collateral damages to the entire world, wich was his fault in the first place. It also helps to restart the franchise on a fresh point because now Peter is alone and has nothing but his own skills and his determination to do good
 
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