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too lazy to check the entire thread but what was MCU's peter still dodging Strange's grabs while he was in the astral plane considered?
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Spider-Man: No Way Home Discussion Thread - WITH SPOILERS
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Finally, a fellow Spider-Verse > Spider-Man 2 truther
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It's either Supernatural Willpower or Instinctive Reaction
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both are good
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Instinctive Reactions
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I'm waiting for Hot Toys to release an image of the new suit from the ending scene because I really wanna see it in high resolution. Plus a juicy new render.
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Heheh finally caught up with this thread and the scaling looks good Lonkitt excellent job but man I can't wait until we can get actual calc's for these feats because **** there were a lot of them and they were all cool as hell also yeah peter ****** gobby up when he fully intended to kill him that wasn't even action that was straight up violence 
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Thank you for your feedback! And yeah, I gotta say that last fight was intense. You could straight up feel those blows there.Heheh finally caught up with this thread and the scaling looks good Lonkitt excellent job but man I can't wait until we can get actual calc's for these feats because **** there were a lot of them and they were all cool as hell also yeah peter ****** gobby up when he fully intended to kill him that wasn't even action that was straight up violence
Incredibly poetic how TASM Peter’s description of how Gwen’s death affected him summarized the very last battle.
Excited for those calcs too. Mysterio ones too, which yes, I keep mentioning, but if it can provide consistency, then I’m all for it.
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Saw the movie. Loved it. What else is there to say?
Noticed people were talking about what Spidey's body moving was despite his Soul being detached. It doesn't fully match up with what the Instinctive Reactions page says, which is "Instinctive Reaction is the ability to react to oncoming attacks without the need for conscious thought. As such, those with this ability will automatically dodge and possibly counter oncoming attacks through muscle memory or instinct... [snip]." If it IS deemed Instinctive Reactions, I don't think that's all it is. It seems like a very weird case of Self-Body Puppetry, which would obviously be super circumstantial. It's telling that even Strange is surprised as to how Tom is doing it. I also agree with Self-Soul Manipulation that Lonkitt suggested.
Also, Tom using math to recognize patterns in the Mirror Dimension and outwitting Doctor Strange to trap him there should definitely be noted in his Intelligence section. I was legit jaw-dropped when Tom managed to pull that off.MCU Spidey's skill is definitely underrated, it seems...
Noticed people were talking about what Spidey's body moving was despite his Soul being detached. It doesn't fully match up with what the Instinctive Reactions page says, which is "Instinctive Reaction is the ability to react to oncoming attacks without the need for conscious thought. As such, those with this ability will automatically dodge and possibly counter oncoming attacks through muscle memory or instinct... [snip]." If it IS deemed Instinctive Reactions, I don't think that's all it is. It seems like a very weird case of Self-Body Puppetry, which would obviously be super circumstantial. It's telling that even Strange is surprised as to how Tom is doing it. I also agree with Self-Soul Manipulation that Lonkitt suggested.
Also, Tom using math to recognize patterns in the Mirror Dimension and outwitting Doctor Strange to trap him there should definitely be noted in his Intelligence section. I was legit jaw-dropped when Tom managed to pull that off.
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REAL SHIT this moment was awesome as hell
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Tom's Spidey: "With Great Power..."
Tobey's Spidey: "Comes Great Responsibility." quickly looks at Andrew's Spidey
Tom's Spidey: "How do you know that..?!"
Andrew's Spidey: "Actually I was told that if you could do good things for other people, you have the moral obligation to do those things! That's whats at stake here! Not choice, Responsibility!"
Tom and Tobey's Spidey:
Tobey's Spidey: "Comes Great Responsibility." quickly looks at Andrew's Spidey
Tom's Spidey: "How do you know that..?!"
Andrew's Spidey: "Actually I was told that if you could do good things for other people, you have the moral obligation to do those things! That's whats at stake here! Not choice, Responsibility!"
Tom and Tobey's Spidey:
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Without counting Into the Spider-Verse, the first Amazing and Spider-Man 2 are easily the best of the movies
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Hey just as a doubt, if this happened, shouldn't Daredevil's reaction speed be increased? since, well, he caught the stone before Peter, plus they reacted at the same time.
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Meh I thought it was weird Strange would be defeated that easily
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I agree with your ability suggestion and I've edited back with the abilities post I made yesterday. Glad you liked the film too and I agree, MCU Spidey's skill is super underrated.
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I agree with the abilities to add here
Also, Strange should have Fire Manipulation, Creation (for the gauntlets) and Memory Manipulation
Also, Strange should have Fire Manipulation, Creation (for the gauntlets) and Memory Manipulation
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Watched this the other day.
Compared to the first, I didn’t like the last movie too much (it’s still a pretty good film, imo), but I felt this was a marked improvement.
The trailers, or at least the ones I saw, also did a very good job at not giving away too much.
Spoiler.
Are we giving Electro an arc reactor key, since Andrew-Man said he was more powerful than ever?
Compared to the first, I didn’t like the last movie too much (it’s still a pretty good film, imo), but I felt this was a marked improvement.
The trailers, or at least the ones I saw, also did a very good job at not giving away too much.
Spoiler.
Are we giving Electro an arc reactor key, since Andrew-Man said he was more powerful than ever?
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Yes
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Yup. I've been posting what new ratings from everybody can look like here
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Definitely, unlike the other villains it's clearly stated he gets an upgrade
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If we could get a complete png like that, that would be great
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I had some time
MCU Peter:
Base: Regeneration (High-Low; Healed his broken ribs in a matter of a few hours), Instinctive Reactions and Self-Body Puppetry (Despite Dr. Strange removing his soul, Peter's physical body continued to move a magical box away from the former's grasp continuously), Limited Self-Soul Manipulation (Solely moved his soul back into his body), Danmaku (with EDITH)
Optional Equipment: BFR (Can utilize a single magic web-shooter that sends people or objects to a magical prison if shot with a single web), Power Nullification (Alongside two other Peter Parkers, created cures for Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and The Lizard which would effectively depower them)
Additional points for existing abilities: Technological Manipulation (Can control the Nanotechnology of the Iron Spider even when not using it, as well as when it was forcibly integrated into Doctor Octopus’ metal arms), Precognition (Warned Peter when Norman Osborn’s Goblin persona was about to resurface), Preparation (Worked on cures for a number of villains within a short amount of time)
Raimi Peter:
Base: Preparation (Worked on cures for a number of villains within a short amount of time)
Optional Equipment: Power Nullification (Alongside two other Peter Parkers, created cures for Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and The Lizard which would effectively depower them)
Black Suit: Multiple Selves (Type 3), Telepathy (The Symbiote can share the memories of previous hosts), Empathic Manipulation (The Symbiote often amplifies its host's anger to emotionally reactive levels), Statistics Amplification (The Symbiote amplifies the abilities and physical attributes of it's hosts), Power Mimicry (Copied Spider-Man's abilities after bonding with him)
Additional points for existing abilities: Enhanced Awareness and Self-Perception Manipulation (Could view Mary Jane, her father, friends, and Flash Thompson from the house over while in his room as his body was processing his powers. Focused in on Dennis Carradine's location on the second floor of a dark warehouse)
TASM Peter:
Base: Precognition and Enhanced Senses (Peter's senses were significantly upgraded after attaining his powers. Was alerted to The Lizard's rampage on the Williamsburg Bridge. Detected small lizards heading into the subway where Connors was operating. Sensed Electro's arrival to Times Square before he had even made a commotion. Was given an accurate view of several civilians who were in immediate danger, allowing him to prevent each of their deaths. Caught a football without looking. Caught a fly effortlessly. Without looking, could casually web swing out of the way an attack from Electro), Instinctive Reactions (Accidentally defeated a group of attackers on a subway train, with his body even recognizing how to use the environment as an advantage), Regeneration (Mid-Low; Stated to be capable of self-healing. Healed from deep scars inflicted on his body by The Lizard), Surface Scaling (Use primarily for wall-crawling. Can stick objects to his hands and feet with little chance of them budging. Had an uninterrupted sleep with his body sticking between two surfaces), Acrobatics (Commonly performs incredible feats of agility. Traversed a crowded alley with ease), Stealth Mastery (Snuck into a car while a thief was in the middle of stealing it, which was proceeded by sneaking out of the car in complete silence. Moved himself to a ceiling behind the Lizard in the short time the latter had briefly ducked, despite the latter's enhanced senses. Silently left while he was right next to Gwen), Preparation (Worked on cures for a number of villains within a short amount of time)
Optional Equipment: Power Nullification (Alongside two other Peter Parkers, created cures for Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and The Lizard which would effectively depower them)
Green Goblin:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Genius Intelligence, Martial Arts, Weapon Mastery, Acrobatics (Front flipped a fair distance forwards. Performed a spinning flip into the air to knock an ascending Spider-Man down), Enhanced Senses (Could hear a drop of blood fall onto a wooden floor), Regeneration (Has the same level of regeneration as his son after he obtained his powers, who healed on his own after receiving scars and a stab to the upper body), Explosion Manipulation (Pumpkin Bombs and Missiles), Sleep Inducement (Can project Sleeping Gas from his gauntlets), Flight (With his Glider), Homing Attack (His Flying Razors can track opponents, even if they initially dodged them the first time)
Doctor Octopus:
Technological Manipulation (Removed the Iron Spider's Nanotechnology and integrated it into his metal arms), Resistance to Electricity Manipulation for his tentacles (Can safely grab Electro, however this resistance is essentially negated should the retractable blades on his metal arms make contact with a high voltage)
Sandman:
Air Manipulation
Venom:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Multiple Selves (Type 3; Eddie Brock and Venom coexist in a symbiotic relationship), Martial Arts, Surface Scaling, Web Creation, Acrobatics, Stealth Mastery, Regeneration (Mid-Low; Has an enhanced and far faster variant of regeneration compared to Spider-Man), Enhanced Awareness and Self-Perception Manipulation (Possesses the same senses as Spider-Man, but enhanced. His own Spider-Sense allowed him to locate Sandman), Telepathy (Eddie had Peter's memories shared with him shortly after bonding with the Symbiote), Empathic Manipulation (The Symbiote often amplifies its host's anger to emotionally reactive levels), Statistics Amplification (The Symbiote amplifies the abilities and physical attributes of it's hosts), Power Mimicry (Copied Spider-Man's abilities after bonding with him, allowing Eddie to utilize them)
New Goblin:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Martial Arts, Weapon Mastery, Stealth Mastery (Remained hidden within Mary Jane's apartment before sneak attacking her), Flight (With his Glider), Enhanced Senses (Has the same level of enhanced hearing as his father, who could drop of blood fall onto a wooden floor. Even after losing his memory, he had no trouble catching a falling vase and basketball in reaction to his senses), Regeneration (Healed on his own after receiving scars and a stab to the upper body), Acrobatics (Spun his body around in mid-air to position himself back onto his Glider as it returned to him), Explosion Manipulation (Pumpkin Bombs, Razor Bombs, and Missiles), Homing Attack (His Razor Bombs can track opponents the moment they're thrown), Fire Manipulation (His Glider can be used to emit heavy flames offensively)
The Lizard:
Surface Scaling (Has no trouble climbing walls and ceilings), Underwater Breathing (Type 2)
Electro:
Teleportation, Enhanced Senses (Detected an alternate Spider-Man attacking from behind, allowing himself to effectively avoid being hit), Electrical Intangibility (Can become intangible)
MCU Peter:
Base: Regeneration (High-Low; Healed his broken ribs in a matter of a few hours), Instinctive Reactions and Self-Body Puppetry (Despite Dr. Strange removing his soul, Peter's physical body continued to move a magical box away from the former's grasp continuously), Limited Self-Soul Manipulation (Solely moved his soul back into his body), Danmaku (with EDITH)
Optional Equipment: BFR (Can utilize a single magic web-shooter that sends people or objects to a magical prison if shot with a single web), Power Nullification (Alongside two other Peter Parkers, created cures for Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and The Lizard which would effectively depower them)
Additional points for existing abilities: Technological Manipulation (Can control the Nanotechnology of the Iron Spider even when not using it, as well as when it was forcibly integrated into Doctor Octopus’ metal arms), Precognition (Warned Peter when Norman Osborn’s Goblin persona was about to resurface), Preparation (Worked on cures for a number of villains within a short amount of time)
Raimi Peter:
Base: Preparation (Worked on cures for a number of villains within a short amount of time)
Optional Equipment: Power Nullification (Alongside two other Peter Parkers, created cures for Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and The Lizard which would effectively depower them)
Black Suit: Multiple Selves (Type 3), Telepathy (The Symbiote can share the memories of previous hosts), Empathic Manipulation (The Symbiote often amplifies its host's anger to emotionally reactive levels), Statistics Amplification (The Symbiote amplifies the abilities and physical attributes of it's hosts), Power Mimicry (Copied Spider-Man's abilities after bonding with him)
Additional points for existing abilities: Enhanced Awareness and Self-Perception Manipulation (Could view Mary Jane, her father, friends, and Flash Thompson from the house over while in his room as his body was processing his powers. Focused in on Dennis Carradine's location on the second floor of a dark warehouse)
TASM Peter:
Base: Precognition and Enhanced Senses (Peter's senses were significantly upgraded after attaining his powers. Was alerted to The Lizard's rampage on the Williamsburg Bridge. Detected small lizards heading into the subway where Connors was operating. Sensed Electro's arrival to Times Square before he had even made a commotion. Was given an accurate view of several civilians who were in immediate danger, allowing him to prevent each of their deaths. Caught a football without looking. Caught a fly effortlessly. Without looking, could casually web swing out of the way an attack from Electro), Instinctive Reactions (Accidentally defeated a group of attackers on a subway train, with his body even recognizing how to use the environment as an advantage), Regeneration (Mid-Low; Stated to be capable of self-healing. Healed from deep scars inflicted on his body by The Lizard), Surface Scaling (Use primarily for wall-crawling. Can stick objects to his hands and feet with little chance of them budging. Had an uninterrupted sleep with his body sticking between two surfaces), Acrobatics (Commonly performs incredible feats of agility. Traversed a crowded alley with ease), Stealth Mastery (Snuck into a car while a thief was in the middle of stealing it, which was proceeded by sneaking out of the car in complete silence. Moved himself to a ceiling behind the Lizard in the short time the latter had briefly ducked, despite the latter's enhanced senses. Silently left while he was right next to Gwen), Preparation (Worked on cures for a number of villains within a short amount of time)
Optional Equipment: Power Nullification (Alongside two other Peter Parkers, created cures for Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and The Lizard which would effectively depower them)
Green Goblin:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Genius Intelligence, Martial Arts, Weapon Mastery, Acrobatics (Front flipped a fair distance forwards. Performed a spinning flip into the air to knock an ascending Spider-Man down), Enhanced Senses (Could hear a drop of blood fall onto a wooden floor), Regeneration (Has the same level of regeneration as his son after he obtained his powers, who healed on his own after receiving scars and a stab to the upper body), Explosion Manipulation (Pumpkin Bombs and Missiles), Sleep Inducement (Can project Sleeping Gas from his gauntlets), Flight (With his Glider), Homing Attack (His Flying Razors can track opponents, even if they initially dodged them the first time)
Doctor Octopus:
Technological Manipulation (Removed the Iron Spider's Nanotechnology and integrated it into his metal arms), Resistance to Electricity Manipulation for his tentacles (Can safely grab Electro, however this resistance is essentially negated should the retractable blades on his metal arms make contact with a high voltage)
Sandman:
Air Manipulation
Venom:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Multiple Selves (Type 3; Eddie Brock and Venom coexist in a symbiotic relationship), Martial Arts, Surface Scaling, Web Creation, Acrobatics, Stealth Mastery, Regeneration (Mid-Low; Has an enhanced and far faster variant of regeneration compared to Spider-Man), Enhanced Awareness and Self-Perception Manipulation (Possesses the same senses as Spider-Man, but enhanced. His own Spider-Sense allowed him to locate Sandman), Telepathy (Eddie had Peter's memories shared with him shortly after bonding with the Symbiote), Empathic Manipulation (The Symbiote often amplifies its host's anger to emotionally reactive levels), Statistics Amplification (The Symbiote amplifies the abilities and physical attributes of it's hosts), Power Mimicry (Copied Spider-Man's abilities after bonding with him, allowing Eddie to utilize them)
New Goblin:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Martial Arts, Weapon Mastery, Stealth Mastery (Remained hidden within Mary Jane's apartment before sneak attacking her), Flight (With his Glider), Enhanced Senses (Has the same level of enhanced hearing as his father, who could drop of blood fall onto a wooden floor. Even after losing his memory, he had no trouble catching a falling vase and basketball in reaction to his senses), Regeneration (Healed on his own after receiving scars and a stab to the upper body), Acrobatics (Spun his body around in mid-air to position himself back onto his Glider as it returned to him), Explosion Manipulation (Pumpkin Bombs, Razor Bombs, and Missiles), Homing Attack (His Razor Bombs can track opponents the moment they're thrown), Fire Manipulation (His Glider can be used to emit heavy flames offensively)
The Lizard:
Surface Scaling (Has no trouble climbing walls and ceilings), Underwater Breathing (Type 2)
Electro:
Teleportation, Enhanced Senses (Detected an alternate Spider-Man attacking from behind, allowing himself to effectively avoid being hit), Electrical Intangibility (Can become intangible)
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i feel like mcu pete should have high low regen because I'm pretty sure by the final battle his ribs were healed
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GIve me a couple hours and I can get scans from the novel for the symboite and Sandman
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Also confirmed that Tobey is the strongest Spider-Man. More powerful than Tom and beat Garfield in a quick draw.
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No stronger in AP, but he has the best lifting of all of them at least.
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Looks good and I agree
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Honestly, the only reason he is "stronger" is because he can produce his own web, otherwise they're basically even I think
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I mean, he directly overpowered Tom in a strength contest.
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he was on his knees and was struggling, he barely overpowered him
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So despite being in an inferior position against someone with a lot of momentum he still dead stopped a attack.
I'd call that superior.
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He actually has more leverage here because of his position, he can use his legs to lift while Tom can't. If they were normal people you could argue tom has a superior position because of gravity, but they aren't.
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Yeah, I'd say the same thing
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