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Their skill feats are still pretty damn good though and it's not as if we haven't seen Bucky replicate similar skill based actions to that of his mind controlled state. I'm not even basing their skills off of Steve
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Spider-Man: No Way Home Discussion Thread - WITH SPOILERS
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He should be "At least 8-C". High 8-C requires we either upgrade everyone or add a key for no reason. Iron Spider's High 8-C rating is also sorta iffy since it relies on second reactor scaling when the suit doesn't use an arc reactor.
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We've gone over earlier in this thread why the Iron Spider scaling to weaker Iron Man suits isn't all too controversial. Along with that, it doesn't require upgrading anyone. I've put the NWH ratings up not too long ago
Keys make sense, I don't see how Ock's could be "for no reason". I actually think Ock having a key for NWH is suitable
Keys make sense, I don't see how Ock's could be "for no reason". I actually think Ock having a key for NWH is suitable
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Actually...
Do we even have a High 8-C Iron Man anymore? He got upgraded to 8-A in the CRTs for harming Loki with his attacks.
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He has a 8-C and 8-C+ key, so that's not an issue. Also, still disagree with new keys for the characters if they haven't changed that much. IIRC TASM Peter even said he stopped being Spiderman for a while or something. They also complain about backpain and such, meaning they are old and not in their prime anymore.
"Oh just create a key for his old self" nah, we don't need it. Just put the feats under one key.
"Oh just create a key for his old self" nah, we don't need it. Just put the feats under one key.
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What would you suggest? He's a lot stronger here than he was in SM2
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There's no point honestly. Just revert them to 8-C+.
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"The power of the sun in the palm of my hands".
High 4-C Doc Ock confirmed.
High 4-C Doc Ock confirmed.
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He still had the edge against him for the most part and a older Raimi Spider-Man being worse against him would fol
But like I mentioned they don't even use an arc reactor to power the suit. It charges from a house outlet.
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Just to clarify then, is your proposal that all the Base Spider-Men are at 8-C while Ock is at "At least 8-C"?
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So... at least 8-C?
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Yeah. Electro being 8-A with the arc reactor I have no problem with as well.
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Let's see what the thoughts are on this one:
All the Spider-Men in their base are 8-C equally
Octavius could be At least 8-C for overpowering Iron Spider and the base Spider-Men casually
Electro (Pre-Amp) is At least 8-C, likely higher for scaling to Giant Sandman + having lightning as a common attack
Giant Sandman is At least 8-C, likely higher for being reasonably stronger than Raimi Peter and MCU Peter
Electro (Post-Amp) is 8-A due to the Arc Reactor, one shotting Ock, being stronger than TASM Peter's ever seen, and casually overpowering each base Spider-Man
Goblin is 8-C
Lizard is 8-C
All the Spider-Men in their base are 8-C equally
Octavius could be At least 8-C for overpowering Iron Spider and the base Spider-Men casually
Electro (Pre-Amp) is At least 8-C, likely higher for scaling to Giant Sandman + having lightning as a common attack
Giant Sandman is At least 8-C, likely higher for being reasonably stronger than Raimi Peter and MCU Peter
Electro (Post-Amp) is 8-A due to the Arc Reactor, one shotting Ock, being stronger than TASM Peter's ever seen, and casually overpowering each base Spider-Man
Goblin is 8-C
Lizard is 8-C
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TBH even TASM Electro should have 8-C lightning as a common attack, seeing as his cloud-to-ground lightning attacks caused way more damage than what lightning bolts IRL can do.
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Wait when did Electro manipulate actual lightning in TASM?
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Final fight. New York is covered by a storm and he is channeling lightnings.
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I’m so glad to see all the spideys hanging out in the same universe. Especially Tobey, who I grew up with and in turn is my favorite Spider-Man .
Also, Give Andrew a good script and he shines. I’m glad people see past his movies (Mostly the second one) and they genuinely cared for his return as Spider-Man.
Also, Give Andrew a good script and he shines. I’m glad people see past his movies (Mostly the second one) and they genuinely cared for his return as Spider-Man.
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Thinking about this for Electro and Sandman
Electro:
Pre-Arc Reactor | Post-Arc Reactor
At least Building level, likely higher (Fought against Giant Sandman. Overpowered the Spider-Man of his universe. Utilizes cloud-to-ground lightning as a common attack) | Multi-City Block level (Was said to be stronger than his Spider-Man had ever seen before, now amplified by the same Arc Reactor used for Tony Stark's Mark 6-47 suits. One shotted Doctor Octopus. Overpowered three different Spider-Men at the same time)
Sandman:
Base | Giant
Building level (Could fight Spider-Man) | At least Building level, likely higher (Fought against Electro. Overpowered the Spider-Man from his world and the one from the MCU on separate occasions. Tore up sections of a building under construction with casual swats)
Removed some stuff from Sandman's Base description since he never actually fought New Goblin in his base form and all he did against Venom was knock him down once
Electro:
Pre-Arc Reactor | Post-Arc Reactor
At least Building level, likely higher (Fought against Giant Sandman. Overpowered the Spider-Man of his universe. Utilizes cloud-to-ground lightning as a common attack) | Multi-City Block level (Was said to be stronger than his Spider-Man had ever seen before, now amplified by the same Arc Reactor used for Tony Stark's Mark 6-47 suits. One shotted Doctor Octopus. Overpowered three different Spider-Men at the same time)
Sandman:
Base | Giant
Building level (Could fight Spider-Man) | At least Building level, likely higher (Fought against Electro. Overpowered the Spider-Man from his world and the one from the MCU on separate occasions. Tore up sections of a building under construction with casual swats)
Removed some stuff from Sandman's Base description since he never actually fought New Goblin in his base form and all he did against Venom was knock him down once
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That should be noted for lifting strength scaling
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Idk what you mean, he was a chad with his feats in this one
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Sounds good, although it is not necessary to do calculations to update the profile? And if so, would you have to wait until you have clearer images of the film?
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Rn I'm drafting stuff up, nothing "official" yet
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Had this on the back burner
MCU Spidey:
Attack Potency: Building level (Held a ferry together. Fought Captain America, though the latter was holding back. Harmed Bucky with a swing kick. Kicked Giant-Man in the face hard enough to make him sidestep. Destroyed Mysterio's drones. Defeated and nearly killed the Green Goblin. Staggered back The Lizard twice. Equal in power to his older counterparts) | At least Building level (Stronger than before, with the suit itself being powered by an advanced outlet. Possibly superior to older Iron Man suits when comparing its greater technological features. Killed multiple Outriders in Insta-Kill Mode)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Comparable to his older counterparts. Able to dodge multiple lightning attacks from Electro. Matched Winter Soldier and Falcon in combat at the same time. Dodged Scarlet Witch's attacks and should be comparable to her. Dodged attacks from Chitauri-based technology) | Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Just as fast as before. Dodged meteors. Dodged automatic fire). Higher with Spider-Sense
Durability: Building level (Survived being blasted through school buses by the Shocker, whose gauntlets are even more powerful than the ones Crossbones used to harm Captain America. Survived holding a ferry together, a jet bridge falling onto him, an accidental slap from Giant-Man, and a few serious hits from Captain America. Withstood missiles from Mysterio's drones. Purposefully directed a Pumpkin Bomb within point-blank range and endured it even after taking multiple attacks from the Green Goblin) | At least Building level (His suit was designed to be significantly more durable than himself)
Raimi Spidey:
Attack Potency: Building level (Can harm New Goblin, who survived a bomb that vaporized Eddie Brock and the Symbiote. Once angered, defeated the Green Goblin. Can trade blows with people who can harm him. Equal in power to his younger counterparts), higher with his black suit (Empowered by Symbiote, enhancing his powers)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Reacted in tandem with another Spider-Man before tagging him with a web shot. Able to dodge multiple lightning attacks from Electro), higher with his black suit
Durability: Building level (Took beatings from Green Goblin and held-back attacks from Venom. Survived Green Goblin's Pumpkin Bomb at point-blank range), higher with his black suit.
TASM Spidey:
Attack Potency: Building level (Can fight and harm The Lizard. Equal in power to his alternate counterparts)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Able to dodge multiple lightning attacks from Electro and even view them in slow-motion, and can keep up with him while in electricity form)
Durability: Building level (Took several blows from The Lizard. Survived very casual lightning attacks from Electro)
MCU Spidey:
Attack Potency: Building level (Held a ferry together. Fought Captain America, though the latter was holding back. Harmed Bucky with a swing kick. Kicked Giant-Man in the face hard enough to make him sidestep. Destroyed Mysterio's drones. Defeated and nearly killed the Green Goblin. Staggered back The Lizard twice. Equal in power to his older counterparts) | At least Building level (Stronger than before, with the suit itself being powered by an advanced outlet. Possibly superior to older Iron Man suits when comparing its greater technological features. Killed multiple Outriders in Insta-Kill Mode)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Comparable to his older counterparts. Able to dodge multiple lightning attacks from Electro. Matched Winter Soldier and Falcon in combat at the same time. Dodged Scarlet Witch's attacks and should be comparable to her. Dodged attacks from Chitauri-based technology) | Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Just as fast as before. Dodged meteors. Dodged automatic fire). Higher with Spider-Sense
Durability: Building level (Survived being blasted through school buses by the Shocker, whose gauntlets are even more powerful than the ones Crossbones used to harm Captain America. Survived holding a ferry together, a jet bridge falling onto him, an accidental slap from Giant-Man, and a few serious hits from Captain America. Withstood missiles from Mysterio's drones. Purposefully directed a Pumpkin Bomb within point-blank range and endured it even after taking multiple attacks from the Green Goblin) | At least Building level (His suit was designed to be significantly more durable than himself)
Raimi Spidey:
Attack Potency: Building level (Can harm New Goblin, who survived a bomb that vaporized Eddie Brock and the Symbiote. Once angered, defeated the Green Goblin. Can trade blows with people who can harm him. Equal in power to his younger counterparts), higher with his black suit (Empowered by Symbiote, enhancing his powers)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Reacted in tandem with another Spider-Man before tagging him with a web shot. Able to dodge multiple lightning attacks from Electro), higher with his black suit
Durability: Building level (Took beatings from Green Goblin and held-back attacks from Venom. Survived Green Goblin's Pumpkin Bomb at point-blank range), higher with his black suit.
TASM Spidey:
Attack Potency: Building level (Can fight and harm The Lizard. Equal in power to his alternate counterparts)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Able to dodge multiple lightning attacks from Electro and even view them in slow-motion, and can keep up with him while in electricity form)
Durability: Building level (Took several blows from The Lizard. Survived very casual lightning attacks from Electro)
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Full on MHS+ MCU let's goooo
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