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Spider-Man: No Way Home Discussion Thread - WITH SPOILERS

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Lonkitt said:
Had this on the back burner

MCU Spidey:
Attack Potency: Building level (Held a ferry together. Fought Captain America, though the latter was holding back. Harmed Bucky with a swing kick. Kicked Giant-Man in the face hard enough to make him sidestep. Destroyed Mysterio's drones. Defeated and nearly killed the Green Goblin. Staggered back The Lizard twice. Equal in power to his older counterparts) | At least Building level (Stronger than before, with the suit itself being powered by an advanced outlet. Possibly superior to older Iron Man suits when comparing its greater technological features. Killed multiple Outriders in Insta-Kill Mode)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Comparable to his older counterparts. Able to dodge multiple lightning attacks from Electro. Matched Winter Soldier and Falcon in combat at the same time. Dodged Scarlet Witch's attacks and should be comparable to her. Dodged attacks from Chitauri-based technology) | Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Just as fast as before. Dodged meteors. Dodged automatic fire). Higher with Spider-Sense

Durability: Building level (Survived being blasted through school buses by the Shocker, whose gauntlets are even more powerful than the ones Crossbones used to harm Captain America. Survived holding a ferry together, a jet bridge falling onto him, an accidental slap from Giant-Man, and a few serious hits from Captain America. Withstood missiles from Mysterio's drones. Purposefully directed a Pumpkin Bomb within point-blank range and endured it even after taking multiple attacks from the Green Goblin) | At least Building level (His suit was designed to be significantly more durable than himself)

Raimi Spidey:
Attack Potency: Building level (Can harm New Goblin, who survived a bomb that vaporized Eddie Brock and the Symbiote. Once angered, defeated the Green Goblin. Can trade blows with people who can harm him. Equal in power to his younger counterparts), higher with his black suit (Empowered by Symbiote, enhancing his powers)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Reacted in tandem with another Spider-Man before tagging him with a web shot. Able to dodge multiple lightning attacks from Electro), higher with his black suit

Durability: Building level (Took beatings from Green Goblin and held-back attacks from Venom. Survived Green Goblin's Pumpkin Bomb at point-blank range), higher with his black suit.

TASM Spidey:
Attack Potency: Building level (Can fight and harm The Lizard. Equal in power to his alternate counterparts)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Able to dodge multiple lightning attacks from Electro and even view them in slow-motion, and can keep up with him while in electricity form)

Durability: Building level (Took several blows from The Lizard. Survived very casual lightning attacks from Electro)
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Also if you're curious KLOL, this is the draft I've got for the Spider-Men. Other drafts for the villains from me are spread across the thread
 
Lonkitt said:
I had some time

MCU Peter:
Base: Regeneration (High-Low; Healed his broken ribs in a matter of a few hours), Self-Body Puppetry (Despite Dr. Strange removing his soul, Peter's physical body continued to move a magical box away from the former's grasp continuously), Limited Self-Soul Manipulation (Solely moved his soul back into his body), Danmaku (with EDITH)
Optional Equipment: BFR (Can utilize a single magic web-shooter that sends people or objects to a magical prison if shot with a single web), Power Nullification (Alongside two other Peter Parkers, created cures for Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and The Lizard which would effectively depower them)

Additional points for existing abilities: Technological Manipulation (Can control the Nanotechnology of the Iron Spider even when not using it, as well as when it was forcibly integrated into Doctor Octopus’ metal arms), Precognition (Warned Peter when Norman Osborn’s Goblin persona was about to resurface), Preparation (Worked on cures for a number of villains within a short amount of time)

Raimi Peter:
Base: Preparation (Worked on cures for a number of villains within a short amount of time)
Optional Equipment: Power Nullification (Alongside two other Peter Parkers, created cures for Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and The Lizard which would effectively depower them)
Black Suit: Multiple Selves (Type 3), Telepathy (The Symbiote can share the memories of previous hosts), Empathic Manipulation (The Symbiote often amplifies its host's anger to emotionally reactive levels), Statistics Amplification (The Symbiote amplifies the abilities and physical attributes of it's hosts), Power Mimicry (Copied Spider-Man's abilities after bonding with him)

Additional points for existing abilities: Enhanced Awareness and Self-Perception Manipulation (Could view Mary Jane, her father, friends, and Flash Thompson from the house over while in his room as his body was processing his powers. Focused in on Dennis Carradine's location on the second floor of a dark warehouse)

TASM Peter:
Base: Precognition and Enhanced Senses (Peter's senses were significantly upgraded after attaining his powers. Was alerted to The Lizard's rampage on the Williamsburg Bridge. Detected small lizards heading into the subway where Connors was operating. Sensed Electro's arrival to Times Square before he had even made a commotion. Was given an accurate view of several civilians who were in immediate danger, allowing him to prevent each of their deaths. Caught a football without looking. Caught a fly effortlessly. Without looking, could casually web swing out of the way an attack from Electro), Instinctive Reactions (Accidentally defeated a group of attackers on a subway train, with his body even recognizing how to use the environment as an advantage), Regeneration (Mid-Low; Stated to be capable of self-healing. Healed from deep scars inflicted on his body by The Lizard), Surface Scaling (Use primarily for wall-crawling. Can stick objects to his hands and feet with little chance of them budging. Had an uninterrupted sleep with his body sticking between two surfaces), Acrobatics (Commonly performs incredible feats of agility. Traversed a crowded alley with ease), Stealth Mastery (Snuck into a car while a thief was in the middle of stealing it, which was proceeded by sneaking out of the car in complete silence. Moved himself to a ceiling behind the Lizard in the short time the latter had briefly ducked, despite the latter's enhanced senses. Silently left while he was right next to Gwen), Preparation (Worked on cures for a number of villains within a short amount of time)
Optional Equipment: Power Nullification (Alongside two other Peter Parkers, created cures for Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and The Lizard which would effectively depower them)

Green Goblin:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Genius Intelligence, Martial Arts, Weapon Mastery, Acrobatics (Front flipped a fair distance forwards. Performed a spinning flip into the air to knock an ascending Spider-Man down), Enhanced Senses (Could hear a drop of blood fall onto a wooden floor), Regeneration (Has the same level of regeneration as his son after he obtained his powers, who healed on his own after receiving scars and a stab to the upper body), Explosion Manipulation (Pumpkin Bombs and Missiles), Sleep Inducement (Can project Sleeping Gas from his gauntlets), Flight (With his Glider), Homing Attack (His Flying Razors can track opponents, even if they initially dodged them the first time)

Doctor Octopus:
Technological Manipulation (Removed the Iron Spider's Nanotechnology and integrated it into his metal arms), Resistance to Electricity Manipulation for his tentacles (Can safely grab Electro, however this resistance is essentially negated should the retractable blades on his metal arms make contact with a high voltage)

Sandman:
Air Manipulation

Venom:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Multiple Selves (Type 3; Eddie Brock and Venom coexist in a symbiotic relationship), Martial Arts, Surface Scaling, Web Creation, Acrobatics, Stealth Mastery, Regeneration (Mid-Low; Has an enhanced and far faster variant of regeneration compared to Spider-Man), Enhanced Awareness and Self-Perception Manipulation (Possesses the same senses as Spider-Man, but enhanced. His own Spider-Sense allowed him to locate Sandman), Telepathy (Eddie had Peter's memories shared with him shortly after bonding with the Symbiote), Empathic Manipulation (The Symbiote often amplifies its host's anger to emotionally reactive levels), Statistics Amplification (The Symbiote amplifies the abilities and physical attributes of it's hosts), Power Mimicry (Copied Spider-Man's abilities after bonding with him, allowing Eddie to utilize them)

New Goblin:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Martial Arts, Weapon Mastery, Stealth Mastery (Remained hidden within Mary Jane's apartment before sneak attacking her), Flight (With his Glider), Enhanced Senses (Has the same level of enhanced hearing as his father, who could drop of blood fall onto a wooden floor. Even after losing his memory, he had no trouble catching a falling vase and basketball in reaction to his senses), Regeneration (Healed on his own after receiving scars and a stab to the upper body), Acrobatics (Spun his body around in mid-air to position himself back onto his Glider as it returned to him), Explosion Manipulation (Pumpkin Bombs, Razor Bombs, and Missiles), Homing Attack (His Razor Bombs can track opponents the moment they're thrown), Fire Manipulation (His Glider can be used to emit heavy flames offensively)

The Lizard:
Surface Scaling (Has no trouble climbing walls and ceilings)

Electro:
Teleportation, Enhanced Senses (Detected an alternate Spider-Man attacking from behind, allowing himself to effectively avoid being hit), Electrical Intangibility (Can become intangible)
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There we go, added
 
Just a reminder: Just because somebody gets more angry in a fight and the tides turn, does NOT imply stat amps

Raimi Peter and MCU Peter were cases of not using their full power initially against Norman and dominating him in their final battles. Remember that a character's personality can have a huge affect on their performance
 
Lonkitt said:
Just a reminder: Just because somebody gets more angry in a fight and the tides turn, does NOT imply stat amps

Raimi Peter and MCU Peter were cases of using their full power initially against Norman and dominating him in their final battles. Remember that a character's personality can have a huge affect on their performance
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MCU Peter, yes. Raimi Peter, it's a bit more of a specific case. He had no reason to hold back before.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
MCU Peter, yes. Raimi Peter, it's a bit more of a specific case. He had no reason to hold back before.
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Raimi Peter isn't always aiming to brutally beat opponents to pulp. He's got no reason to be rage amped. Yes, he was angered and therefore I think that opened him up to going all out, but aside from that? Nah
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
MCU Peter, yes. Raimi Peter, it's a bit more of a specific case. He had no reason to hold back before.
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Raimi Pete actually did. Multiple times. Against Gobby, he was trying to save the citizens first, but after Gobby threatened to kill MJ, Spidey lost it and overpowered him easily.

Even against a dude like Ock, Spidey was pummeling the ever-living crap out of him once in the water (Quite a while before the arms got into the water), relenting only when he saw MJ in danger, Ock had to catch Spidey off guard to finish him off.

Only time this didn't work was against Venom, who outright states that Spidey can't kill him in his current state.

That and Symbiote Spidey was already easy to anger and was already stronger than his base self.
 
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M3X said:
Surface area can't still be calced. It's literally alc stacking. Two different scenes.
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You're not supposed to do surface area for ramming calcs with calculable speed anyway.

This is the real formula.

FinalSpeed- (MassCar*InitialSpeed):(MassPerson+MassCar)

In this case the mass of the object is the drone's bullets stacking up into one place.

Then plug the person's mass and the result into the KE calculator.

0.5 * MassPerson * FinalSpeed^2

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.

Bullets. The drones cause damage by literally shooting bullets.
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
He took a hit from the arm of the illusion when the 8-C+ feat was from it completely ramming through the bridge. I don't think he fully scales to the output of dozens of drones working in tandem to preform a feat.
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It's not the dozens of drones that'd matter but the number of bullets they shoot. Like I said, uncalc'able because we don't know the caliber and we don't know how many it took to destroy building-sized structures.
 
I forgot they fired bullets, tbh. I wouldn't have brought this up if I remembered they didn't destroy bridges by ramming them.
 
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