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Again mjolnir has to scale above the user by default otherwise there isn’t any point of using it and it would be damaged or shattered any time the user comes across someone stronger then himself
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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
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Thor and Hela's Superhuman Strength comes from their "magical" source of power. The same power that they use in their superhuman punches therefore can be used by Mjolnir because it "focuses and controls that power", making Mjolnir hit harder and more durable than its wielders.
Kurse. He was stronger and capable of overpowering Thor. He even was capable of backhanding a lightning covered Mjolnir, yet Mjolnir wasn't damaged.
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That’s not what you just said you said Mjolnir scales up to the user because it uses their power it can’t hit harder then their own source of power
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Look at the profiles. Thor becomes High 6-B, Mjolnir becomes High 6-B. Thor becomes 5-A, Mjolnir becomes 5-A.
There's no distinction between a Thor with the Hammer and a Thor without the Hammer because it was deemed that it doesn't warrant a big enough difference to list a different statistic (Higher/Far Higher , etc.) for Mjolnir. Same with Stormbreaker in Thor's L&T Key
Read the "focus" part. The power used in their punches is being focused making it more potent.
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That’s not at all how it works nor does it change Mjolnir durability again it has to be above the user by default
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do kangs have the ability to create and reshape timelines? What exactly did they build
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So what do you think Odin means when he said that Mjolnir helps focus and control Thor's power? Do you think it's only limited to Thor's lightning and weather control?
Because in Thor 1, when Odin took away Thor's power it included his superhuman capabilities along with the lightning and weather control. And anyone who was worthy of Thor's power also received superhuman capabilities.
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yes also the hela above mjolnir is contradicted again in that same film Thor states this
Thor: "She's too strong. Without my hammer, I can't..."
Thor states to Odin that he wouldn’t stand a chance without his hammer this same Thor was already using gungnir just previously yet claims his hammer will give him a better chance and change the outcome this wouldn’t make sense if hela was so far above the hammer even at her weakest because why would Thor even want the hammer again against a stronger hela what could it possibly Change in his mind ? If it was so weak
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A statement that's made by a guy that's desperate because thought he lost most of his powers when he lost his hammer?
Because in Thor's mind Mjolnir was the source of his power, the weapon he was most familiar with, and something that was a part of him? Gungir is powerful and durable but it doesn't give him the versatility Mjolnir gave him even if it is the weaker weapon.
Thor's obsession with Mjolnir is further reinforced in L&T where Thor wanted to use Mjolnir more than Stormbreaker despite Stormbreaker being the superior weapon.
And even then, Thor's statement is just something he himself believes in, the film doesn't even give credence to his statement, and neither does Odin support it.
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A statement made by the guy who just fought hela himself and thought the hammer would change the outcome yea meaning if the hammer wouldn’t why would he say he can’t win without it?
Thor was also using gungnir just before and still believes the hammer could give him a chance why are you even talking about now Thor needed a way to win if he thought mjolnir was weaker he wouldn’t be telling his dear old dad that that’s his only chance especially if he was using a much stronger weapon just before
Yeah a statement from the guy who’s been using mjolnir for a thousand years and it’s literally his best friend who he talks to wouldn’t know anything about it
and Odin literally supports it he states Odin: “Its power has no equal” despite himself having gungnir
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At this point why not make a CRT if you're so adamant then? Don't you already have the scans to support your claim?A statement made by the guy who just fought hela himself and thought the hammer would change the outcome yea meaning if the hammer wouldn’t why would he say he can’t win without it?
Thor was also using gungnir just before and still believes the hammer could give him a chance why are you even talking about now Thor needed a way to win if he thought mjolnir was weaker he wouldn’t be telling his dear old dad that that’s his only chance especially if he was using a much stronger weapon just before
Yeah a statement from the guy who’s been using mjolnir for a thousand years and it’s literally his best friend who he talks to wouldn’t know anything about it
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Because making crt don’t do anything there’s been a million of them but mods don’t come to mcu crt anymore so they can never be implemented
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Some stuff from the VFX supervisors of Venom 3 that confirms some symbiote names:
How did you ensure that each symbiote in this film had a unique visual identity, from their colors to the way they interact with the environment?
Aharon Bourland // Each symbiote started with research into their comic book versions, and from there, we evolved those into ‘hero’ versions that fit the story. It was really important that each symbiote had a unique set of abilities that complemented the others and helped move the story forward. For example, Lava’s red and yellow fire whip worked well with the tendril cage that Animal/Tendril used to restrain the Xenophage. Dr. Payne’s symbiote was also tied thematically to her character. Her life was changed by a lightning bolt, and when she bonded with the symbiote, it gave her lightning-like abilities, bringing her story full circle.
How did the design and animation of the symbiotes’ interactions with their hosts evolve in this chapter compared to previous films?
Aharon Bourland // The rules from the first two movies mostly stayed the same, but we did loosen one rule a bit: the symbiotes could bond with their hosts more easily this time around. The big advancement was in the design of the symbiote army that helped Venom in the final battle. Each symbiote had its own unique abilities, which really influenced how they behaved and how the fight was choreographed. For example, Jim (the copper-brown symbiote) was a bruiser with powerful punching fists, while Lasher (the green-red symbiote) was quick and a slashing attacker. As a team, each symbiote played a key role in the fight. We also introduced something new by having two of the symbiotes combine to create a hybrid with new powers. We did this with Animal and Tendril, and it really added another layer to the action!
Were there any unexpected technical or creative challenges encountered during the production?
John Moffatt // Not really – I think that we have all learned that story evolves as production does and Visual effects role is to facilitate that. Id be more surprised these days if things were not challenging or unexpected.
Aharon Bourland // There were definitely some unexpected challenges—what would filmmaking be without them? Most were creative changes, but we had a big technical surprise with the river tank. Since it was heated, it produced a massive, unexpected amount of steam, which we then had to clean up in post. Another interesting challenge was designing the green symbiote that bonds with Mulligan. Kelly had a unique vision for him—she wanted a snake-like, semi-transparent ‘water god’ look. Dave Lee and his team at DNEG did a fantastic job bringing that vision to life. Challenges like these are just part of the process, and honestly, they’re what make it all so interesting.
It seems the identity of Mulligan's symbiote remains a mystery...
Aharon Bourland // Each symbiote started with research into their comic book versions, and from there, we evolved those into ‘hero’ versions that fit the story. It was really important that each symbiote had a unique set of abilities that complemented the others and helped move the story forward. For example, Lava’s red and yellow fire whip worked well with the tendril cage that Animal/Tendril used to restrain the Xenophage. Dr. Payne’s symbiote was also tied thematically to her character. Her life was changed by a lightning bolt, and when she bonded with the symbiote, it gave her lightning-like abilities, bringing her story full circle.
How did the design and animation of the symbiotes’ interactions with their hosts evolve in this chapter compared to previous films?
Aharon Bourland // The rules from the first two movies mostly stayed the same, but we did loosen one rule a bit: the symbiotes could bond with their hosts more easily this time around. The big advancement was in the design of the symbiote army that helped Venom in the final battle. Each symbiote had its own unique abilities, which really influenced how they behaved and how the fight was choreographed. For example, Jim (the copper-brown symbiote) was a bruiser with powerful punching fists, while Lasher (the green-red symbiote) was quick and a slashing attacker. As a team, each symbiote played a key role in the fight. We also introduced something new by having two of the symbiotes combine to create a hybrid with new powers. We did this with Animal and Tendril, and it really added another layer to the action!
Were there any unexpected technical or creative challenges encountered during the production?
John Moffatt // Not really – I think that we have all learned that story evolves as production does and Visual effects role is to facilitate that. Id be more surprised these days if things were not challenging or unexpected.
Aharon Bourland // There were definitely some unexpected challenges—what would filmmaking be without them? Most were creative changes, but we had a big technical surprise with the river tank. Since it was heated, it produced a massive, unexpected amount of steam, which we then had to clean up in post. Another interesting challenge was designing the green symbiote that bonds with Mulligan. Kelly had a unique vision for him—she wanted a snake-like, semi-transparent ‘water god’ look. Dave Lee and his team at DNEG did a fantastic job bringing that vision to life. Challenges like these are just part of the process, and honestly, they’re what make it all so interesting.
It seems the identity of Mulligan's symbiote remains a mystery...
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Taking note of where current heroes are located
New York City -
Spider-Man
Daredevil
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
Jessica Jones
Punisher
Bucky Barnes
Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)
Jersey City -
Ms. Marvel (Resides else where for the time being)
Eastview (New Jersey) -
Wiccan
New Orleans -
Captain Marvel
Ms. Marvel (Await house to be repaired)
Washington, D.C -
Captain America
Los Angeles (California) -
She-Hulk
San Fransisco (California) -
Ant-Man
Wasp
Stature
Shang-Chi
Katy Chen
California -
War Machine
Georgia -
U.S Agent
Tamaha (Oklahoma) -
Echo
Missouri -
Star Lord
Iowa -
Hawkeye (Clint Barton)
Ohio? -
Red Guardian (His house appears to be in the United States and it'll probably be a call back to Black Widow)
Chicago (Illinois)
Iron Heart
Mexico -
Hulk (I'm not sure if this is his primary residence but he has an entire island there)
Wakanda (East Africa) -
Black Panther
M'Baku
Egpyt -
Scarlet Scarab (Most likely)
Talokan (Peurto Rico Trench) -
Namor
Namora
Attuma
London (England) -
Moon Knight
Black Knight???
Kamar-Taj (Nepal) -
Wong
America Chevez
Abomination
New Asgard (Formally Tønsberg, Norway) -
Valkyrie
Sif
Knowhere -
Nebula
Drax
Dark Dimension -
Doctor Strange
Clea
New York City -
Spider-Man
Daredevil
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
Jessica Jones
Punisher
Bucky Barnes
Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)
Jersey City -
Ms. Marvel (Resides else where for the time being)
Eastview (New Jersey) -
Wiccan
New Orleans -
Captain Marvel
Ms. Marvel (Await house to be repaired)
Washington, D.C -
Captain America
Los Angeles (California) -
She-Hulk
San Fransisco (California) -
Ant-Man
Wasp
Stature
Shang-Chi
Katy Chen
California -
War Machine
Georgia -
U.S Agent
Tamaha (Oklahoma) -
Echo
Missouri -
Star Lord
Iowa -
Hawkeye (Clint Barton)
Ohio? -
Red Guardian (His house appears to be in the United States and it'll probably be a call back to Black Widow)
Chicago (Illinois)
Iron Heart
Mexico -
Hulk (I'm not sure if this is his primary residence but he has an entire island there)
Wakanda (East Africa) -
Black Panther
M'Baku
Egpyt -
Scarlet Scarab (Most likely)
Talokan (Peurto Rico Trench) -
Namor
Namora
Attuma
London (England) -
Moon Knight
Black Knight???
Kamar-Taj (Nepal) -
Wong
America Chevez
Abomination
New Asgard (Formally Tønsberg, Norway) -
Valkyrie
Sif
Knowhere -
Nebula
Drax
Dark Dimension -
Doctor Strange
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CRT #2 Additions (I'm hoping my first CRT get's accepted)
Mark 50/85 Iron Man
According to Wakanda Files, Mark 50 Iron Man can travel interstellar during the testing phase. Interstellar refers to travel to other star systems, and according to VsBW's and Wikipedia:
Source: Interstellar Travel (Wikipedia)
MCU Black Bolt
I'll post some more additions later
Mark 50/85 Iron Man
According to Wakanda Files, Mark 50 Iron Man can travel interstellar during the testing phase. Interstellar refers to travel to other star systems, and according to VsBW's and Wikipedia:
Source: VSBW's Range
This means that due to the v2 term in the kinetic energy formula, millions of times as much energy is required. Accelerating one ton to one-tenth of the speed of light requires at least 450 petajoules or 4.50×1017 joules or 125 terawatt-hours
Source: Interstellar Travel (Wikipedia)
- This should be added to Mark 50-85 Iron Man's Relativistic flight speed for justification (I'm not saying his current chain is wrong, but this just serves as neat evidence.)
MCU Black Bolt
Source: The Art of Doctor Strange 2
- A nice Small City Level feat.
I'll post some more additions later
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MCU Black Bolt
Source: The Art of Doctor Strange 2
- A nice Small City Level feat.
I'll post some more additions later
...What sneeze?
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Killer Move Serious Series: Serious Sneeze
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Do we have the episode titles for what if s3 yet especially when it comes out in like few weeks
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We have:
Roadtrip with Red Guardian and Winter Soldier
Avenger Mechas
Shang-Chi and Kate Bishop Western
Agatha and Eternals episode
Something about Wong and White Vision beefing (He forms a team to fight him, Iron Heart, Valkyrie, Okoye is on it)
Space Episode
And some dumb shit with Captain Carter and friends
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I meant the episode titles because we don’t know what is in what episode nor the theme/change like what episode does dormmamu and Zeus appear?
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I don't dislike What if Cap Carter enough to wish for that...but after how dirty they did Strange Supreme pretty much just to make her seem more awesome, I won't deny I wouldn't be that disappointed
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I'm personally looking foward to:
- The Agatha episode
- Arishem (please confirm he's a single being across all timelines)
- Prime Zeus?
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He’s not the fact he’s here basically confirms he isn’t
I want to see stormbreaker in what if it’s crazy we have yet to see that maybe stormbreaker is unique to 1 universe in the multiverse
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I mean, he could be able to be present almost everywhere in the multiverse (
Honestly? I really don't care about Stormbreaker. Aside from Arishem, like I said, I'm much more interested in seeing potentially prime Zeus, how Agatha will obtain the Eternals powers and from which one (after all we've only seen some of them, the Celestials had an entire factory of them) cause maybe she gets amp or uses an artefact and she can't do that on her own since her powers are mostly about Magic, Eternals stuff (I somehow hope there will be an episode dedicated to them and an episode where Agatha takes the spotlight and it won't be the same episode) and Dormammu (maybe to show him being a singular being across all the multiverse)
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Bro cares about mid Stormbreaker outscales mid tier arishem anyway
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It has been over a month and Deadpool & Wolverine is already out on streaming. Is this profile good to go or not? I'd say her the profile could use the addition of her managing to defeat variants of Magneto and Doctor Strange, but that would probably warrant a "far higher" AP at the very least. Same goes with her being mentioned of having defeated Quicksilver, probably affecting her speed.Been a while now but my Cassandra Nova blog is ready so I would like to post her profile if the blog is okay for everyone
Cassandra Nova (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
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First off, how is Arishem mid tier exactly? That would imply tons of characters like IM or Thanos are above him which is not the case.
Second, please tell me you're not serious about the whole Stormbreaker > Arishem...
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It wouldn’t at all lol where did iron man come from
Yes I am Stormbreaker massively outscales him and it’s not even close arishrem doesn’t have the feats or statements to compete
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This is a CRT for upgrading scarlet witch H3-A with fire manipulation or magic. One staff member has already agreed to it and this CRT has taken a long time so we should help finish it
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Only thing... it's kind of weird for him to care about one Celestial in one universe having it's emergence being halted if he was present in 'almost every' place in the multiverse.
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Yeah especially since there should be infinite universe so him focusing on 1 specific one would make no sense
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I never tried to make sense, just said I would like for it to happen because I would find the idea of the creator of the Big Bang itself existing on such level pretty awesome
If I had to actually think about it, I would say Arishem clearly takes his mission seriously so him micro managing his agents/creations to THIS degree wouldn't be that far fetched but whatever
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Ok. Do you have absolute, clear statements that support that idea? Cause that's a pretty Big claim to say Stormbreaker >>> Arishem to such a degree it's not even close
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