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Sonic upgrades

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I was cool with this until we started to suggest low 2-C. Those are still very much outliers. While yes, I did say that those existing would be the why we're taking the upgrade with the opposite of a grain of salt, I never said that we should consider them. A series can definitely have more than one outlier, especially if said outliers are multi-infinite jumps.
 
Variable tiers for Chaos Emeralds users seems reasonable. Characters who battle the Super Forms will only be rated by their own feats or scaled to the feats the emeralds performed in the game? And has there been a conclusion regarding scaling their speed to the blaster Lina proposed on the blog?

I also heavily disagree with Low 2-C Hyper Forms. Nothing implies they're anywhere near that strong and they could simply be surpassed by the scepter as it came from a later game.
 
One or two outliers are fine. When it gets to four of them (I have excluded Solaris) however, that is pushing the boundaries to the point where we can't just straight up look in the other direction when it comes to feats like these however.
 
Here are the feats Matt listed that are Low 2-C

  • Egg Wizard (Power of the Stars)
  • Egg Salamander
  • Alf Layla wa-Layla (which may/may not be a Low 2-C feat)
  • Time Eater
Note that I didn't add Solaris as it is considered non-canon to the series.
 
@Lina

1. How is the Egg Salamander Low 2-C?

2. Alf Layla wa-Layla was defeated using a new, one-time form called Darkspine Sonic. It has nothing to do with Super Sonic in any way. And even then, the feat is just 3-A at best.

3. Solaris IS canon, he was just retconned out in-universe via time reset.
 
Actually according to the Sonic Wiki Alf Layla wa-Layla destroyed the space-time of the Arabian Nights world, which was referred to as an alternate reality.
 
It sources to a game guide which I am currently looking through to see if I can find where it says space-time.
 
Regardless Darkspine Sonic's stats are an issue for a different time. Can the changes for the stats of the affected forms be applied?
 
@Ever: Well, Unclechairman stated that Solaris was non-canon to the games, so I excluded that. If it is actually canon to the series, and was just retconned out in-universe, well...

Another Low 2-C feat I guess.

Edit: In case you guys strongly disagree with acknowledging the Low 2-C feats that Sonic did, I have provided an alternate option of making a note explaining why those feats are considered outliers, even though they happen numerous times throughout the Sonic series. It would be better than just straight-up ignoring them.
 
Also Unclechairman, there is another city level feat for the base forms (that being Sonic's likely kinetic energy).
 
@ever Egg Salamader is something i don't really know but from what I read in the sonic wiki it says that it drained the Sol Emeralds and can take rings away from Super Sonic but that seems like gameplay??? idk....
 
I would like to mention for the tier 2 feats:

Alf Layla wa-Layla doesn't scale to SS

Solaris could be 2-B so it doesn't support universal+

Egg Wizard doesn't work for Unclechairman's reasons (plus likely being a High 3-A feat)

Time Eater and Egg Salamander are outliers with this in mind.
 
Fighting a Low 2-C to 2-B

Fighting two clear Low 2-Cs

Fighting something that sustains the existence of two space-time continuums and defeating it.

That's four High 3-A to Low 2-C feats.
 
The Chaos Emeralds are really just plot devices that lend Sonic the power to face the final enemy. They're ridiculously inconsistent in every game.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
The Chaos Emeralds are really just plot devices that lend Sonic the power to face the final enemy. They're ridiculously inconsistent in every game.
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Another thing to address this, and everyone on the thread in general, is that the emeralds are not nearly as inconsistent as they're being made out to be. Matthew posted several consistent feats that put the emeralds at planetary and they're likely stronger than an MSS weapon.

The only inconsistencies here are 4 Low 2-C feats. 3 of which were misinterpreted and thus not legitimate and 1 is simply an outlier.
 
Also, Dark Queen / Merlina is Planetary at least. She created the entire storybook world of Camelot. It's not just an England sized kingdom.
 
Not the universal+ feats as they've been debunked abvove, but I can agree with definite 4-A or higher if they can be scaled to the World Rings.
 
There are far, faaaar too many messages in this. We need a new thread. But I'm gonna give my thoughts first.

  • I agree with the "Varies from 5-A to 2-C" or whatever 2 level you guys decide on. IIRC the Chaos Emeralds are powered by imagination, so it'd make sense for them to vary.
  • I do not agree with scaling Sonic's speed to the Blaster unless it is "FTL+ to MFTL+ at its highest" as this is the only MFTL+ I'm aware of. Although I assume from Solaris it would be Infinite/Immeasurable or some around that, so I'm not sure how MFTL+ would fit in since that technically isn't its highest.
 
Okay, so.

Sonic Tiers will be like this:

Base: ??? (7-B it seems)

Werehog: Same as Base

Super Sonic: At least 5-A

Hyper Sonic: At least 4-A

Excalibur Sonic: 5-B

Darkspine Sonic: Possibly 3-A

Speed would be FTL for Base, FTL+ for Super Forms and FTL+ to MFTL+ to Hyper?
 
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