Dreams of an Overlord (Metal Overlord Tiering CRT)

[Sir_Marvulous]

Tbf, even if it isn't unused, I'm 90% sure it doesn't ever actually happen. Tho Ig it makes sense that the devs could have put a line in there without the gameplay actually reflecting it given how rushed the production was

 

[JJSliderman]

Unfortunately I couldn’t think of a reasonable way to get base characters to scale.
But hey 5-D Overlord still pretty cool.

Shame Master Overlord is the only one without good scaling.

 

[Theuser789]

I still fully disagree. One statement of the emeralds being "unimaginable superior" (which would make Advance Super Sonic low 1-C) and then Eggman having doubts about it (which were wrong) is not enough. There's more proof for 1-C Infinite than this that even low 1-C Overlord supporters conceded to. ****, Final Hazard should be low 1-C for making Super Shadow struggle. This clearly shows people just want low 1-C.

Plus the idea Shadow can hold back his Doom Power is also headcanon.

I would only accept this if we made baseline super forms low 1-C. That's what the Advance statement actually implies, afterall. Making Overlord and ONLY him low 1-C is completely arbitrary.

 

[JJSliderman]

Saying Doom Shadow can’t hold himself back even though he outright says he doesn’t want to beat Sonic if it’s not fair (implying that he’s not using anything to give him an advantage) is weird.

Plus like, what else could Shadow be holding back?

Doom spear is just chaos spear.
Doom blast is useless.
Doom surf is useless.
Doom morph is useless.
He doesn’t have doom wing yet.

There is nothing for him to hold back “except” power.

 

[Chariot190]

I still fully disagree. One statement of the emeralds being "unimaginable superior" (which would make Advance Super Sonic low 1-C)

Three actually, 5-6 if you include the stuff from Heroes itself.

If it would make Advanced Sonic Low 1-C (Assuming proper context), then he's low 1-C? Why are most of the arguments you've given whataboutisms or "this would make this strong too", those ain't arguments actually debunking anything, they're unrelated.

It'd be like if I said the sky was blue, and you said nuh uh because it'd make the ocean blue or whatever, like, that doesn't change the fact the sky is blue?

and then Eggman having doubts about it (which were wrong) is not enough. \

Why would he have doubts is the question.
He knows how strong they are, he knows how strong MO has become. He's having doubts because MO is so powerful that the power he's aware in regards to the Emerald's, he doesn't believe they can secure a victory as MO is simply that strong now.

They win, but that doesn't mean he was proven wrong, he says the chance was small, they could have, and likely did based on the actual info given by the media, fell within the chance. If the argument is "the chance he was talking about was the slim chance they gained power on the higher end of the spectrum based on what he's aware of", it'd still scale because that would mean they did hit that power (otherwise they would have lost per the wording and this interpretation), in which MO is still a threat to them and doesn't go down instantly while they're at that power. MO can also harm himself so it isn't just a durability thing.

This doesn't detract from the scaling though.

There's more proof for 1-C Infinite than this that even low 1-C Overlord supporters conceded to.

Nobody said that, you're just bringing up unrelated things, and then saying this bad, so that bad.

If there actually is a mountain of similar statements and contextually sound claims, then why isn't he that high? You're sabotaging your own conclusion by focusing on things you don't want to be the case, while arguing it'd be the case.

****, Final Hazard should be low 1-C for making Super Shadow struggle.

Why? Do they have any statements saying Final Hazard would be unlikely to beat even with the Emerald's, or even just extra context like them being charged up? You're over simplifying what actually occured.

This clearly shows people just want low 1-C.

Don't accuse people of agenda's. The same could be turned around with "This clearly shows that people just disagree with the scaling because it implicates something they don't want".

That's in bad taste.

Plus the idea Shadow can hold back his Doom Power is also headcanon.

We know he's stronger, quite a bit even. We know he deliberately held back. And, ironically, him fighting characters that going by your own arguments base Sonic wouldn't scale to.

All implicate that yes, he held back, because he says so himself, equal footing or not at all.
And when the game makes it clear he's getting stronger and his base was already equal to Sonic, your conclusion would lead to Shadow downscaling himself but weaker.

Plus he like, deliberately stayed down at the end and make Sonic think he won, as to get him to take the fake emerald, he had the foresight to drop instead, to trick him.

I would only accept this if we made baseline super forms low 1-C. That's what the Advance statement actually implies, afterall. Making Overlord and ONLY him low 1-C is completely arbitrary.

Any character with statements implicating even with all the cool stuff, beating them might be impossible, probably should scale yes.

I'm not sure what your arguments even are, they're just "These also have statements", if they do, then they scale too? If there's extra context to say they don't, that's just a false equilavence. Or "this would upgrade others", which I'm not even sure is the case? But if it's the case, so what? You keep saying and giving reasons for why they would scale, that isn't explaining why they don't, it's self-sabotage and explaining why it's consistent.
Actually give proof for why the statements bunk, that don't rely on assumptions or interpretating them weirdly.

 

[Omegabronic]

I still fully disagree. One statement of the emeralds being "unimaginable superior" (which would make Advance Super Sonic low 1-C)

it wouldn't, unless you can prove Super Sonic is channeling that much power from the Emeralds there, Metal Overlord has reasoning, Super Sonic in Advance, doesn't

and then Eggman having doubts about it (which were wrong) is not enough.

it wasn't, the characters commented on how hard Metal Overlord was being during that entire conflict, Eggman said the chances were slim, not non existent, which was proven by how hard the fight was said to have been. So no, Eggman was never "proven" wrong in what he said

There's more proof for 1-C Infinite than this that even low 1-C Overlord supporters conceded to. ****, Final Hazard should be low 1-C for making Super Shadow struggle. This clearly shows people just want low 1-C.

Why talk about a completely unrelated character? "oh this guy has more evidence"... ok and? how does that negate the statements and showings MO has? at all?

Plus the idea Shadow can hold back his Doom Power is also headcanon.

He can hold back in general, as in, not use his full strength, which is a thing everyone period can do

I would only accept this if we made baseline super forms low 1-C. That's what the Advance statement actually implies, afterall.

No it doesn't? what are you talking about? The Emerald varies in power, any statement alone cannot be used to determine their minimum since they vary, MO has reasoning to scale to that metric, Baseline Emeralds doesn't

Making Overlord and ONLY him low 1-C is completely arbitrary.

Not really when the thing that makes him Low 1-C is not something that can be scaled to anyone else, be it by statements or scalling chains

 

[JJSliderman]

If Eggman is factoring in the Chaos Emeralds having more power than the Precioustone when making his machines to counter them, shouldn’t super egg robot be low 1-C if he’s making machines to fight super sonic? At least in the context of Advance where he acknowledges them as likely being the strongest artifacts he’s seen so far.

 

[Chariot190]

If Eggman is factoring in the Chaos Emeralds having more power than the Precioustone when making his machines to counter them, shouldn’t super egg robot be low 1-C if he’s making machines to fight super sonic? At least in the context of Advance where he acknowledges them as likely being the strongest artifacts he’s seen so far.

Do we have a statement saying that he accounts for Super Sonic's power and the most powerful things he's seen before? If not, I've said this before, but just assuming stuff doesn't work.

 

[JJSliderman]

Well Eggman has like a zillion inventions he proclaims as “his strongest creation” or “the pinnacle of his scientific achievements” or “more powerful than anything he’s used before”. Depending on how far you stretch it this could apply to Metal Overlord.

 

[Chariot190]

Well Eggman has like a zillion inventions he proclaims as “his strongest creation”

Maybe.

or “the pinnacle of his scientific achievements”

Doesn't implicate strength. Could be a mix, efficiency, power, abilities, utility, actual likelyhood, not going rogue and trying to kill him, etc.

or “more powerful than anything he’s used before”.

I would say this might work if he actually says shit like that.

Depending on how far you stretch it this could apply to Metal Overlord.

I'm unsure about that given... He didn't use MO, MO is actively rebeling against him. Statements like that made after he reprogrammed him thou and what not in the comics might be ok, idk. Idc either, this is blatant derailing and we're not gonna parse the "zillion" statements to see if they check out, apply, whatever in this CRT.

 

[JJSliderman]

You’re right, I’ll save those for another time.

 

[Theuser789]

Alright. I realize when I am out voted and beaten. Just do whatever you want at this point.

 

[JJSliderman]

There could be a compromise of 2-C to possible Low 1-C

 

[Chariot190]

There could be a compromise of 2-C to possible Low 1-C

Why. We only do that if there's actual reason to, the only real argument is Eggman might have not known, but... Why? What in story implicates he wouldn't be aware? If nothing does, it'd be conjecture and we don't compromise profiles just to appease others.

If there's something that DOES imply he wouldn't know, but it's vague, maybe but you'd need to bring that evidence forth.

 

[Theuser789]

However, I will say that I bring up all the "whataboutism" because I greatly dislike this "privileged" treatment Overlord is getting versus literally everything, but it feels like it's impossible to argue without being jumped and my points mocked for no reason. So I am not bothering anymore.

 

[Chariot190]

However, I will say that I bring up all the "whataboutism" because I greatly dislike this "privileged" treatment Overlord is getting versus literally everything,

Literally everyone has said "if they have evidence too, then ig they do", nobody is applying double standards. If they got proof, they can too, whether or not they do doesn't effect MO though.

If you want to upgrade them, and the scaling is sound and statements check out, go ahead, why do you think anyone is against that if it's backed by proof? Whether or not that proof is real would need to be looked over in said CRT thou but that goes for anything.

but it feels like it's impossible to argue without being jumped

You're disagreeing with multiple people, on a debate forum.

and my points mocked for no reason. So I am not bothering anymore.

Your points being debunked, rebutted, or argued, is standard. You need to stop accusing people of stuff that hasn't actually happened. And yes, even if people said your arguments were unfounded, subjective, or wild, that isn't exactly some vile testament on a debate forum.

 

[Theuser789]

There could be a compromise of 2-C to possible Low 1-C

I don't even mind this if low 1-C had an actual reason unique to Overlord, but it doesn't and every time I point this out I just get "hurr, don't you realize that just means everything scales??? I can't understand you!!!" I can't keep arguing if everything I say is going to either get a wall of text coupled with this mockery. It's very clear what I mean when I point out the examples of things that should scale, especially when I couple it with explaining that I will accept this if baseline super is low 1-C (aka everyone is 5D).

Like, damn. This is one of my worst debates in the wikia. I can't believe I keep being misinterpreted constantly in this mocking manner.

 

[JJSliderman]

If there's something that DOES imply he wouldn't know, but it's vague, maybe but you'd need to bring that evidence forth.

The implication he wouldn’t know is because he didn’t actually demonstrate he could discern higher dimensional beings or structures until ‘06, and he wasn’t there when Lumina explained the mechanics of the fourth dimension. So not knowing the realm is 5-D is feasible.

 

[Theuser789]

Literally everyone has said "if they have evidence too, then ig they do", nobody is applying double standards. If they got proof, they can too, whether or not they do doesn't effect MO though.

If you want to upgrade them, and the scaling is sound and statements check out, go ahead, why do you think anyone is against that if it's backed by proof? Whether or not that proof is real would need to be looked over in said CRT thou but that goes for anything.

You're disagreeing with multiple people, on a debate forum.

Your points being debunked, rebutted, or argued, is standard. You need to stop accusing people of stuff that hasn't actually happened. And yes, even if people said your arguments were unfounded, subjective, or wild, that isn't exactly some vile testament on a debate forum.

Dude, I have disagreed with plenty of people here. You are the one who's being a pain by constantly mocking, misinterpretating, and accusing. I wish I could argue with someone that at least bother having respect for what I say rather than mindless dismissing everything.

 

[Omegabronic]

If Eggman is factoring in the Chaos Emeralds having more power than the Precioustone when making his machines to counter them, shouldn’t super egg robot be low 1-C if he’s making machines to fight super sonic? At least in the context of Advance where he acknowledges them as likely being the strongest artifacts he’s seen so far.

nah, else would be weird for him to consider their power "unimaginable" if he can just... imagine and make something on par with that

 

[Theuser789]

nah, else would be weird for him to consider their power "unimaginable" if he can just... imagine and make something on par with that

Why isn't Advance Super Sonic low 1-C even though that's the game the statement comes from but yet Heroesnic low 1-C from a game with no such statement? If anything the Advance emeralds should be low 1-C.

 

[JJSliderman]

nah, else would be weird for him to consider their power "unimaginable" if he can just... imagine and make something on par with that

But, he did make an invention that could stand up to low 1-C power with Overlord. So, clearly it wasn’t that hard.

 

[Chariot190]

Dude, I have disagreed with plenty of people here. You are the one who's being a pain by constantly mocking, misinterpretating, and accusing.

I have only ever taken your arguments at direct face value. If they're being misintepreted, that is because the words you wrote out were not what you meant. But I can't know what you mean beyond the words you write, that's on you, not me.
Though you've repeated your arguments numerous times so I very much doubt I'm misintepretating much.

I haven't accussed you of a single thing really, in spite of the fact you've done so constantly to multiple people. The worst I've done is go "hey don't do that, in the same vain the opposition could say-" and such stuff, that isn't me accusing you, it's calling you out on bad conduct and why that's hypocritical.

And mocking? Lad, if only that were true, I could call your arguments absolute dog and it wouldn't be mocking, we're on a debate forum, attacking a argument is not the same attacking a person, the fact I haven't actually done that is good enough in my book to ignore this

I wish I could argue with someone that at least bother having respect for what I say rather than mindless dismissing everything.

I've replied to every single thing you've said, multiple times, and explained why said things don't work in detail based on the evidence given, or why your argument leads to a faulty conclusion/based on a fualty premise, or wouldn't matter in the end anyhow as the end result would be the same regardless of interpretation. This is in spite of you actively dismissing what I've said based on faulty claims such as me never having partaken in a thread before, not being knowledgeable, and other such completely pointless falaccious claims.

From this point on though, unless you have actual new relevant evidence to bring forth, I shall be dismissing your posts yes, what's been said has been said, it doesn't need to be repeated again, that's what this new CRT is for.

Not replying to these further to avoid further derailment.

 

[Chariot190]

But, he did make an invention that could stand up to low 1-C power with Overlord. So, clearly it wasn’t that hard.

Metal going rogue and upgrading himself basically... Lad, statements. Do not assume.
It shouldn't be hard for Eggman to do a lot of things he doesn't do, the fact this isn't exactly confirmed "easy", wasn't really on him, etc, whatever, means you can't just go "oh he made this later, it must be > MO" without proper evidence.

 

[JJSliderman]

Metal going rogue and upgrading himself basically... Lad, statements. Do not assume.
It shouldn't be hard for Eggman to do a lot of things he doesn't do, the fact this isn't exactly confirmed "easy", wasn't really on him, etc, whatever, means you can't just go "oh he made this later, it must be > MO" without proper evidence.

Upgrading himself with the data of a bunch of base form characters and Chaos.

Like idk how a bunch of star to solar system characters and Chaos would inherently surpass the power of Void, when those same base form characters couldn’t even harm Void at all even with 4 of them.

 

[Theuser789]

I have only ever taken your arguments at direct face value. If they're being misintepreted, that is because the words you wrote out were not what you meant. But I can't know what you mean beyond the words you write, that's on you, not me.
Though you've repeated your arguments numerous times so I very much doubt I'm misintepretating much.

I haven't accussed you of a single thing really, in spite of the fact you've done so constantly to multiple people. The worst I've done is go "hey don't do that, in the same vain the opposition could say-" and such stuff, that isn't me accusing you, it's calling you out on bad conduct and why that's hypocritical.

And mocking? Lad, if only that were true, I could call your arguments absolute dog and it wouldn't be mocking, we're on a debate forum, attacking a argument is not the same attacking a person, the fact I haven't actually done that is good enough in my book to ignore this

I've replied to every single thing you've said, multiple times, and explained why said things don't work in detail based on the evidence given, or why your argument leads to a faulty conclusion/based on a fualty premise, or wouldn't matter in the end anyhow as the end result would be the same regardless of interpretation. This is in spite of you actively dismissing what I've said based on faulty claims such as me never having partaken in a thread before, not being knowledgeable, and other such completely pointless falaccious claims.

From this point on though, unless you have actual new relevant evidence to bring forth, I shall be dismissing your posts yes, what's been said has been said, it doesn't need to be repeated again, that's what this new CRT is for.

Not replying to these further to avoid further derailment.

Dude, I just want you to actually respect and honestly reply to my statements rather than a cheeky, sassy joke or statement. It's just incredible annoying when you opposition won't treat you seriously. You are literally incapable of replying to me without some sort of joke. Can't you argue serious or respectful once? You keep accusing me of poisoning the well and assuming I have nefarious intent. Keep accusing me of bad conduct and calling my arguments some variation of wrong simply because I disagree with you. Some super annoying passive agressiveness hidden behind layers of irony and jokes.

 

[Chariot190]

Upgrading himself with the data of a bunch of base form characters and Chaos.

Like idk how a bunch of star to solar system characters and Chaos would inherently surpass the power of Void, when those same base form characters couldn’t even harm Void at all even with 4 of them.

Idk how did they jump multiple infinities before and after with inexplicably little to no reason? It just works, welcome to average shounen power cliffing. He copies them better anyway.

 

[JJSliderman]

Idk how did they jump multiple infinities before and after with inexplicably little to no reason? It just works, welcome to average shounen power cliffing. He copies them better anyway.

I don’t think that was an established thing for Neo Metal at the time.

At least if Chaos was the reason for it, would be sort of consistent with Chaos fighting a higher echelon tier Super Sonic according to Sonic Channel.

 

[Chariot190]

I don’t think that was an established thing for Neo Metal at the time.

Double check then, though if it is an established thing, why would it not apply?

At least if Chaos was the reason for it, would be sort of consistent with Chaos fighting a higher echelon tier Super Sonic according to Sonic Channel.

Man, you like, gotta stop derailing.

If you want low 1-C Chaos, go gather the slop and make the CRT idk, this ain't the place for it.

 

[JJSliderman]

Double check then, though if it is an established thing, why would it not apply?

Neo Metal was upgraded by Eggman at later points, he even says he needs less data in his modern appearance to achieve his ultimate forms.

 

[Omegabronic]

Upgrading himself with the data of a bunch of base form characters and Chaos.

Like idk how a bunch of star to solar system characters and Chaos would inherently surpass the power of Void, when those same base form characters couldn’t even harm Void at all even with 4 of them.

Metal is just busted like that, he said he upgraded himself with his own hands, so Eggman really has no reason to scale to something he didn't even do

heck, we don't even know what Metal did exactly to become like that exactly

 

[Chariot190]

This dude is clearly controversial, and was suggested to be split off.

To quote the original CRT because I'm lazy



Discuss

Add vote tally btw.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Upgrading himself with the data of a bunch of base form characters and Chaos.

Like idk how a bunch of star to solar system characters and Chaos would inherently surpass the power of Void, when those same base form characters couldn’t even harm Void at all even with 4 of them.

Dude, you are genuinely trying way too hard here, it's clear that you're pushing for Tier 1 Base Cast, but this has already been explained by Chariot before. There's no merit in repeating already-addressed arguments

 

[Theuser789]

JJ is pointing out valid points. Overlord and only Overlord being low 1-C is just cherrypicking based on the reasoning provided. Chariot has not adressed anything, in fact he confirmed it waa valid and just mockingly dismissed it with no reasoning given. That's why I said to just make baseline Super Sonic 5D since that's what the arguments actually say.

 

[Theuser789]

I will also say keeping Overlord at 1-C is far better than the arbitrary Low 1-C rating. At least he has narrative implying he fought full power supers instead of mashing two unrelated hype statements together. If we're dismissing Shadow beating him because he was amped, there's no need to even downgrade him.

I am in favor of literally everything except the special treatment that is only Overlord being 5D.

 

[Chariot190]

JJ is pointing out valid points. Overlord and only Overlord being low 1-C is just cherrypicking based on the reasoning provided.

No, we call that actually discussing the topic at hand as to not derail the thread for 500 posts causing a secret 3rd CRT to be made. Such things can be discussed elsewhere or in the future.

Chariot has not adressed anything, in fact he confirmed it waa valid and just mockingly dismissed it with no reasoning given.

Do you want to be mocked? Because that's the type of thing that's liable to happen when you keep accussing people of things that hasn't happened. Knock it off.

I adressed everything, I adressed everything multiple times, even when I really shouldn't have because it was simply regurgitated points. Fact of the matter is, most people simply disagree with you.

JJ, in particular; We do not rate or index "could be", we don't rate and index "maybe", it either is, or isn't, that or it's heavily implied. But just guessing or going "i feel this makes sense" without proper evidence, we do not do. Several of JJ's posts have been just that, presumptions or guessing things that MIGHT be true, but have no backing or evidence to them, which is something we strictly need.
As for other characters and cases, maybe they're right, or maybe there's extra context or caveats that prevent it from being the case, it would need to be discussed seperately, as with every feat and statement that implicate such a thing, as with everything.

That's why I said to just make baseline Super Sonic 5D since that's what the arguments actually say.

That isn't what the arguments say, do not strawman.
And if that's the case, a new thread can be made after the fact if that is what it leads to, unfortunately, the actual evidence would need to be combed over to see if there's any caveats, if the evidence is sound, and so forth. We will not derail this thread for another dozen pages going "Well there's this one off statement, let's spend a hundred posts discussing if it checks out so we can move on to the other 20 statements and do the same".

 

[JJSliderman]

Fine.
5-D Overlord works for me.

 

[Theuser789]

5-D Overlord is based on nothing and even 1-C is more solid, and I am tired of getting all my arguments being just dismissed by Chariot dismissing it or repeating himself with walls of texts. I would advise Chariot to calm down and drop the snarky remarks like these:

Do you want to be mocked? Because that's the type of thing that's liable to happen when you keep accussing people of things that hasn't happened. Knock it off.

Just makes you look like a hypocrite. I am not accusing you, you have been dismissing arguments because you labeled them as bad. You haven't adressed the comparisons or my post above about just keeping Overlord at 1-C.

Just respect others like a normal person. I was accused before of ignoring people even though I didn't, y'know? And know what I did? I adressed it and explained why instead of acting like a bigger dick, giving validation to those who accused me.

 

[Chariot190]

5-D Overlord is based on nothing

It's based on a pretty straightforward line of scaling that has been discussed at large. If you disagree, give proper evidence, not hyperbole, conjecture, or arguments that hinge on a faulty premise, lead to a faulty conclusion, or based on whataboutisms,

and even 1-C is more solid,

We've already discussed that. There's no real reason to scale it to MO as there was nothing 1-C at the time for any statements to encompass that, and MO doesn't scale to Shadow's 1-C as that happens after.

and I am tired of getting all my arguments being just dismissed by Chariot dismissing it or repeating himself with walls of texts.

Your arguments aren't sufficient. Posting walls of text about Infinite, or presumptious interpretations that don't change anything, twitter statements that don't effect the scaling anyway, and other such things, do not act as actual rebuttals toward MO's scaling.

Yes, your arguments are being dismissed. You're on a debate forum, the points have been adressed, they have been repeated, so they are met with the same responses or ignored as nothing new has been said, and stonewalling or going back and forth on repeat, is exactly what causes these threads to become bloated, and is even something advised to be ignored per wiki rules.

I would advise Chariot to calm down and drop the snarky remarks like these:

Sigh, man I am not the person who threw a tantrum, is continuing to do so, keeps accussing others over actually nothing, throwing personal insults, and more. If you don't actually have something of note to say, stop derailing.

Just makes you look like a hypocrite.

Lad that isn't snark. It's calling you out because you harp on stuff that hasn't happened. The only logical conclusion I can get from that, is that you want to be mocked, why, is beyond me though.
Fact of the matter is though, I haven't mocked you, I haven't dismissed your arguments "just because", and even now I'm replying to this, etc.

I am not accusing you, you have been dismissing arguments because you labeled them as bad.

I am now yes, didn't when you begin saying that no, but 10 pages and counting with no new evidence brought forth?
I should be actively ignoring you, but I'm giving you a chance to actually post something of note.
You aren't though, you're complaining about me being the spawn of the devil apparently and saying I've done nothing but dismiss and mock, when really, if anything, I've spent to much time replying to your posts.

And labeling your arguments as bad? Sure, what of it? I don't think they're sufficient, I don't think they have sound backing. There's nothing wrong with that, you're on a debate forum, not everyone has to think your arguments good or solid, I don't. I think the opposing side has better ones. I still do as nothing has been posted to convice me otherwise.

You haven't adressed the comparisons or my post above about just keeping Overlord at 1-C.

Wait? Is that what you mean by arguments being dismissed? Youw ere told, you wanna use those? Go make a CRT for it. Stop derailing. You want Low 1-C infinite or Dragoon or whatever? Cool. Go gather your evidence, make a CRT, and if it checks out and there isn't caveats or this, or that, it can be applied, or maybe there is caveats and this is just a false equilavence on your end and it's rejected. Who knows? That's why it would need a new dedicated CRT.

And because MO doesn't have anything to dictate 1-C scaling.

Just respect others like a normal person.

I would say the same to you but quite frankly I don't really care what you do so long as you stop trying to derail the thread and just make a new one if you want to discuss that stuff.


Bring forth new evidence, or stop derailing. This will be the last post on this line of talk.

 

[Theuser789]

You're literally the one throwing wall of texts, confessing to what I accused you of (dismissing arguments) and acting snarky, saying you should mock me. Didn't you say a page ago you were ignoring posts, too?

You aren't the one who decides who is right or wrong. Drop your ego and sassy attitude.