Satoru Gojo vs Ben Tennyson (No Alien X) | 11-7-1

[Westcoast5005]

The only time where the Omnitrix randomly selects an alien would be when Ben's life is in danger (fail safe) the Omnitrix has shown no feats where it randomly selects an alien for Ben that can best defeat his opponent

Pretty sure they’re have been other times but anyway when be notices his attacks aren’t doing anything he transforms to toe pick like he to vilgax former servant

 

[MrLuk2000]

I'm just gonna put it like this

If someone can explain or show scans of Gojo's Void manipulation being able to erase beings from existence then he has my vote

If not then this is an incon at best

There are some scenario where Ben speedblitzes with XLR8 or Fastrack but more times than not he goes for a heavy hitter first

I'm unfollowing this thread as this literally being a he said she said type deal. If you guys need a vote then message me on my wall. Peace

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

If someone can explain or show scans of Gojo's Void manipulation being able to erase beings from existence then he has my vote

I have a link to the profile where they explain why he has void manipulation

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

The only time where the Omnitrix randomly selects an alien would be when Ben's life is in danger (fail safe) the Omnitrix has shown no feats where it randomly selects an alien for Ben that can best defeat his opponent

It can and it does , the first time Ben used Atomix it was after he got close to machine created by Albedo that can manipulate matter to extract azmuth's brain. So Atomix isn't even an alien species but an artificial alien created by the Omnitrix.

Nanomech is just a machine that Ben could transform to when he was fighting a character made from nanomachines.

 

[Westcoast5005]

when does ben actually think like this though, he usually goes for a stronger heavy hitter

because there has not been many scenerious he needed to that he but did it against vilgax goon when he couldn't hurt him. he notice was not going to win with brute strenght s he used toe pick

 

[Westcoast5005]

also the facts that gojo has no win-con against ben, the omnitrix fail safe protects him. ben can perform multiple actions before gojo even realize. makes it overwhelmly in the favor of ben
while ben has toe pick and gravitack

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

No, Ben needs to be able to interact with everything CE qualifies for.

He also needs CE resistance or absorbing it means he dies.

No, all living things have CE in JJK including non sorcerers and animals. Having no CE requires a special law to take it away, so regular people are not scaling to Toji/Maki's resistances..

So no energy equalization here.

Finally, Hr users aren't immune to domains, they are immune to being forcibly kept in and the targeting aspects of the sure hit. Gojo's unlimited void doesn't target so wouldn't even work if you were given the benefit of the doubt.

that's literally all what a domain could do, since when Gojo's DE became different than normal DE?

like I said object and characters without a brain won't be effected by it.

 

[Lynieryz]

Don't forget that Ben has everything from Omnitrix

 

[Westcoast5005]

yeah this might be a stomp,
gojo can't kill him
ben is faster
ben has toe pick and gravatack
i just can't see a way gojo wins

 

[Zabazab]

that's literally all what a domain could do, since when Goji's DE became different than normal DE?

Being immune to sure-hit ≠ Being immune to the Domain's effect.

like I said object and characters without a brain won't be effected by it.

If a being processes information, then UV should still overwhelm them, as it works on Cursed Spirits. Cursed Spirits have a totally different internal structure from humans & are still rendered unactionable for hours after a total UV blast.

 

[Westcoast5005]

Being immune to sure-hit ≠ Being immune to the Domain's effect.


If a being processes information, then UV should still overwhelm them, as it works on Cursed Spirits. Cursed Spirits have a totally different internal structure from humans & are still rendered unactionable for hours after a total UV blast.

the fail safe can tranform ben to characters with inorganic physiology. not to mention gojo gets speed blitz before he uses DE

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Being immune to sure-hit ≠ Being immune to the Domain's effect.

Like buildings, yeah like I said object are not affected by DE.

If a being processes information, then UV should still overwhelm them, as it works on Cursed Spirits. Cursed Spirits have a totally different internal structure from humans & are still rendered unactionable for hours after a total UV blast.

kind of neutral on this one, but being a Domain effect it won't work on some transformations..

 

[Dr._whiteee]

that's literally all what a domain could do, since when Goji's DE became different than normal DE?

No they don't? Gojo's domain specifically utilizes an AOE approach and hits everything within the range of the domain. If you step into UV and aren't touching Gojo, you are subject to it's effects.

like I said object and characters without a brain won't be effected by it.

This is incorrect, Gojo's UV was able to hit Megumi within his innate domain/soul, so you just need to be sentient as it also impacts curses.

 

[Westcoast5005]

has gojo ever stated a battle with domain
secondly are we forgetting that ben is faster
lastly what is gojo answer to toe pick? cause it seems like y'all are ignoring it

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

No they don't? Gojo's domain specifically utilizes an AOE approach and hits everything within the range of the domain. If you step into UV and aren't touching Gojo, you are subject to it's effects.

that's comparing it to Sukuna DE which is actually different than the regular DE.
Again that is what DE does. So what is the difference?

This is incorrect, Gojo's UV was able to hit Megumi within his innate domain/soul, so you just need to be sentient as it also impacts curses.

Let's not forget Soul=body thing in JJK
sentient≠ soul, and you will find that most sci-fi verses like Ben10 don't use the soul to begin with.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

that's comparing it to Sukuna DE which is actually different than the regular DE.
Again that is what DE does. So what is the difference?

No it's not. It's directly telling you that UV hits everything existing in the domain. Not sure how you're getting an alternative interpretation here.

Other domains target a specific person within the confines of the domain such as Dagon, Jogo, etc. UV is a passive sure hit effect that hits anything in the void at all times.

Let's not forget Soul=body thing in JJK

Lmao no, in JJK, the spiritual material split is false but still counts for our purposes lmao. What are you trying to do with this lol?

sentient≠ soul, and you will find that most sci-fi verses like Ben10 don't use the soul to begin with.

Ok? That makes it worse for Ben 10, since it's just his biological cognition in whatever form he has, and Gojo can already affect biology differently from humans in addition to souls, meaning UV is hitting in ballparks well beyond Ben just transforming into a biological system with differences to animals.

Ergo, Ben is taking a nap.

 

[Westcoast5005]

No it's not. It's directly telling you that UV hits everything existing in the domain. Not sure how you're getting an alternative interpretation here.

Other domains target a specific person within the confines of the domain such as Dagon, Jogo, etc. UV is a passive sure hit effect that hits anything in the void at all times.

Lmao no, in JJK, the spiritual material split is false but still counts for our purposes lmao. What are you trying to do with this lol?

Ok? That makes it worse for Ben 10, since it's just his biological cognition in whatever form he has, and Gojo can already affect biology differently from humans in addition to souls, meaning UV is hitting in ballparks well beyond Ben just transforming into a biological system with differences to animals.

Ergo, Ben is taking a nap.

i love the fact u just ignore what i said cause you have no counter to it.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

i love the fact u just ignore what i said cause you have no counter to it.

Naw you're being ignored precisely because you ignored evidence and clearly aren't looking to have an actual debate. Just letting you know in case you were confused about why you're not being responded to.

 

[Zabazab]

has gojo ever stated a battle with domain
secondly are we forgetting that ben is faster
lastly what is gojo answer to toe pick? cause it seems like y'all are ignoring it

I have no idea what you're saying in the first point.

The second point was addressed: Infinity prevents Gojo from being touched, Hollow Purple is invisible and therefore most Aliens can't dodge, and Unlimited Void is an AOE.

Third was also addressed: It isn't in-character for Ben to pick Toepick immediately, and his odds of a mistransformation into Toepick are 1/70.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

No it's not. It's directly telling you that UV hits everything existing in the domain. Not sure how you're getting an alternative interpretation here.

Other domains target a specific person within the confines of the domain such as Dagon, Jogo, etc. UV is a passive sure hit effect that hits anything in the void at all times.

answer this: does it effect objects?

Lmao no, in JJK, the spiritual material split is false but still counts for our purposes lmao. What are you trying to do with this lol?

that soul and body are different compared to other verses.

Ok? That makes it worse for Ben 10, since it's just his biological cognition in whatever form he has, and Gojo can already affect biology differently from humans in addition to souls, meaning UV is hitting in ballparks well beyond Ben just transforming into a biological system with differences to animals.

some aliens are machines or straight up elemental.

 

[Westcoast5005]

I have no idea what you're saying in the first point.

The second point was addressed: Infinity prevents Gojo from being touched, Hollow Purple is invisible and therefore most Aliens can't dodge, and Unlimited Void is an AOE.

Third was also addressed: It isn't in-character for Ben to pick Toepick immediately, and his odds of a mistransformation into Toepick are 1/70.

when ben can't use physical force he uses toe pick to attack this was shown with vilgax lacky
also why can't the aliens doge, not to mention be can go through all his aliens before gojo reacts, he's to fast form him

 

[Westcoast5005]

also since we are talking oabout in character when as gojo ever started a battle in character with hollow purple of domain

 

[Dr._whiteee]

answer this: does it effect objects?

Yes, it hits everything within the domain. If you're asking if a rock can process information, then no. I don't see your point.

that soul and body are different compared to other verses.

Yes, they are more layered than other verses, this isn't a good thing for you.

some aliens are machines or straight up elemental.

And? If they are sentient, they are getting cooked. I don't know how else to express this case to you.

 

[Westcoast5005]

can y'all show an example of when gojo started with domain

 

[Westcoast5005]

Yes, it hits everything within the domain. If you're asking if a rock can process information, then no. I don't see your point.

Yes, they are more layered than other verses, this isn't a good thing for you.

And? If they are sentient, they are getting cooked. I don't know how else to express this case to you.

speed is unequal ben aliens can make multiple decisions before gojo ever react to anything. but u want to ignore same way you ignore the gravity point.

 

[Westcoast5005]

Naw you're being ignored precisely because you ignored evidence and clearly aren't looking to have an actual debate. Just letting you know in case you were confused about why you're not being responded to.

evidence of what you haven't provide any evidence has to why gravity won't work talkless of the speed difference and why toepick no diffs hime

 

[Lynieryz]

Man what a useless discussion failsafe is MFTL+ Gojo is literally unable to win, the result is incon or Ben victory.

 

[Westcoast5005]

Man what a useless discussion failsafe is MFTL+ Gojo is literally unable to win, the result is incon or Ben victory.

he's going to choose to ignore it

 

[Lynieryz]

Now that I thought, Ben can simply destroy everything with the 2-A self-destruction of the Omnitrix? and after the battle is over, he can redo everything with Alien-X and not bring Gojo back.

 

[Westcoast5005]

most likely wont' he only does that to universal and planetary threat

 

[Zabazab]

Man what a useless discussion failsafe is MFTL+ Gojo is literally unable to win, the result is incon or Ben victory.

Literally what Alien can tank Hollow Purple? The failsafe can't protect him if none of his Aliens can handle erasure.

 

[Westcoast5005]

Literally what Alien can tank Hollow Purple? The failsafe can't protect him if none of his Aliens can handle erasure.

Feedback absorbed a Big Bang in a void what can hollow purple do. Also why are y’all ignoring th speed difference

 

[noisyPitta]

Now that I thought, Ben can simply destroy everything with the 2-A self-destruction of the Omnitrix? and after the battle is over, he can redo everything with Alien-X and not bring Gojo back.

Thread title literally says no Alien X. If Alien X was restricted like this, I doubt Ben would try this move.

 

[Lynieryz]

Literally what Alien can tank Hollow Purple? The failsafe can't protect him if none of his Aliens can handle erasure.

Jetray, HP will never hit him.

 

[Deidalius]

Wouldn't Ben be able to counter Hollow purple with Waybig by turning into something the size of a building? He would get hit but his size would let him survive without getting all of his body destroyed and he could react.

 

[Lynieryz]

Thread title literally says no Alien X. If Alien X was restricted like this, I doubt Ben would try this move.

AND AFTER THE BATTLE IS OVER

 

[Westcoast5005]

Wouldn't Ben be able to counter Hollow purple with Waybig by turning into something the size of a building? He would get hit but his size would let him survive without getting all of his body destroyed and he could react.

ben as multiple ways of countering hollow purple, the main question would gojo even get the chance to use it.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Wouldn't Ben be able to counter Hollow purple with Waybig by turning into something the size of a building? He would get hit but his size would let him survive without getting all of his body destroyed and he could react.

Ben has no knowledge of Hollow Purple. Ben can't see Hollow Purple. Ben will literally be facing someone that magically can't be touched and appears to Ben as some lunatic chanting and making handsigns while reality warps around ben.

Contriving a scenario for Ben to survive is hard enough let alone with the two above factors.

 

[Westcoast5005]

Ben has no knowledge of Hollow Purple. Ben can't see Hollow Purple. Ben will literally be facing someone that magically can't be touched and appears to Ben as some lunatic chanting and making handsigns while reality warps around ben.

Contriving a scenario for Ben to survive is hard enough let alone with the two above factors.

ben doesn't need any knowledge the omnitrix prevents him from dieing by transforming to the best alien needed for the situation and THE SPEED DIFFERENCE.

 

[Westcoast5005]

gojo supporters haven't brought a counter arguemnet to toepick