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Killing Ben while he is transformed only destroys the DNA of the species that is stored in the Omnitrix[As seen with Chromastone], while he is transformed each Alien is an extra life and he has more than ten thousand.
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Satoru Gojo vs Ben Tennyson (No Alien X) | 11-7-1
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Yeah but doesn't the Failsafe transform him into the best alien to let him survive attacks? He would transform into a big ass alien that would let him survive some attacks from Gojo
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Well, iirc, domains (barrier domains) can't affect beings without CE and afaik, sukuna's is barrierless, but not gojo's. So I don't think Ben would be affected.
There's a misunderstanding with feedback here. He doesn't necessarily absorb energy anytime he comes in contact with it. He also redirects it or uses it without absorption. Example being the 2-A big bang he managed to hold for a noticeable time frame before nuking maltruant with it.
Also, I'm not too sure but couldn't feedback take care or CT? He's handled 4-D energy along with Mana, which has 4-D law manipulation. With MFTL+ speed
There's also so much of a difference in stats here... Ben has access to 2 aliens at small star and about 4 with MFTL+ speed. It'll probably be ooc to nuke the planet but clockwork should be able to casually fix that. Also has resistance to biological manipulation via the omnitrix.
I'm leaning towards Ben here or better yet, incon
There's a misunderstanding with feedback here. He doesn't necessarily absorb energy anytime he comes in contact with it. He also redirects it or uses it without absorption. Example being the 2-A big bang he managed to hold for a noticeable time frame before nuking maltruant with it.
Also, I'm not too sure but couldn't feedback take care or CT? He's handled 4-D energy along with Mana, which has 4-D law manipulation. With MFTL+ speed
There's also so much of a difference in stats here... Ben has access to 2 aliens at small star and about 4 with MFTL+ speed. It'll probably be ooc to nuke the planet but clockwork should be able to casually fix that. Also has resistance to biological manipulation via the omnitrix.
I'm leaning towards Ben here or better yet, incon
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Also ben aliens wouldn't be the target of the domain nor will it trap him as he lacks curse energy. ben and his aliens are basically inanimate objects to the domain
Gojo has no win con, this might even be a stomp
Gojo has no win con, this might even be a stomp
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It would have to be pre-emptive in nature and not attached to Ben's perception.
Also, it would need to be able to digest information about Hollow Purple and it's "imaginary" nature, all before it deletes Ben.
So what are its feats?
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firstly it's own entity so that solves that
it transformed ben to an alien when he needed to survive a 2-a big bang
also when chromastone died from vilgax attack the failsafe kick in and transformed him to diamond head hereby reviving him
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this also reminds ben transformed into all is aliens one after the other when he trying to stop the big bang. this increases the odds for him to transform to an alien need to stop allow purple and bypass gojo infinity
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The fail-safe acts independent of Ben and actually has infinite reaction and transformation speed.
Plus, information wasn't digested or assimilated off the infinite 4-D big bang. He doesn't need to take it in.
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Yeah that doesn't fully answer my questions.
Based on what I've gather from a small amount of research, this fail safe:
- Was only shown once.
- Only reacted to a big bang level attack whose danger would have been noticeable
- Was not imaginary in nature
- Was never used to save Ben from other instances of death/near death, even when a chrono bomb killed Ben across the multiverse.
- Has to actually cycle through aliens to find an adaption.
Is any of that false?
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false
if u read my comment u would see it revived ben from death when chromastone died.
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Gonna vote Gojo. I havent explained it directly in my first comments, but I cant see Ben defeating Gojo seeing how many times this mf have lost to way less haxxed and skilled characters in his own series
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In the JJK verse all humans (including non-sorcerers) have a small amount of CE that allow them to be affected by domains. I personally think its a fair assumption to make that humans from other series might have this too, but I've been debated on that before.
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Have you taken a look at the speed and AP difference between these two? There's no way a purple or DE is landing on Ben
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am pretty sure in jjk only japan have curse energy. not to mention you would be giving goj an advantage based on nothing
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finally someone that see's it the speed difference alone counters gojo account.
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Gojo wins FRA. I fail to see any convincing argument with the possible exception of this "toe pick" (assuming that it can even do anything)
Waiting to see further as to how this turns out later on, so might change my vote depending on.
Waiting to see further as to how this turns out later on, so might change my vote depending on.
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the speed is equalized via SBA tho
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it says speed unequalized
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OP unequalized speed as a condition. That's why I was initially incon until I realized Ben has no way of sensing CE, let alone HP or UV before hit.
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It is equalized to Ben's speed, not the Aliens he will transform into.
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uv is not gonna work he lacks CE failsafe counters hollow purple. also doesn't hollow purple scale to ap.
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And no one answered that Gojo would have to kill Ben ten thousand times to win.
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pretty sure hollow purple scales to ap?
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Bypassed by DA powernull and Void Manip, unless Ben has resistance there.
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It's from the Omnitrix.
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yuh cause gojo can powernull an higher D power right.
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Ok? The omnitrix is attached to Ben no?
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and? Can Gojo nullify a high dimensional technology that wasn't even destroyed with the end of everything including infinite timelines and universes?
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also for y'all that keep on talking about ben not using toepick. see here the alien is used when he noticed he can't physically beat vilgax former goon
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Did I not tho?
I thought my comment addressed why the fail-safe is independent of Ben and why feedback doesn't need blunt absorption. My bad
First, the fail-safe has actually been shown twice, with the first being Ben's revival as diamond head as vilgax killed chroma stone and the second being his transformation point blank to a 2-A big bang.
For the second, they were in a void, with only the contumelian ship and the big bang. I don't quite get what you mean by noticable when the attack was 4-D in nature. So maybe you could explain?...
It wasn't imaginary, but it was of higher dimensional nature
The chronosapien time bomb event is constantly taken out of context. Ben prime gave no watch Ben his omnitrix so there was no reason for a fail-safe since the bomb was programmed by vilgax to erase all the Ben's across all of time EXCEPT for the ben with Prime's watch.
That is not a contradiction.
Well, for your final question, it doesn't necessarily need to circle through the DNA bank. It didn't do that when vilgax killed chroma stone. Plus with the big bang, the first Alien, being X if you take the speed down, was already enough to handle the big bang. There might be no real reason towards that as the timeless void they existed in might have influence over it. Kinda ambiguous, Whiteee.
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If it has higher dimensional existence than prob not based on my understanding of the power, but it can negate type 2 concepts so I'm not sure how that would interface.
I don't think any of that would protect from HP if there is no resistance to Void Manip though. I'm not sure HDE would grant resistance to that.
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why wouldn't it grant resistance from void manip.
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Yeah my question was mainly to ascertain what the mechanism for detecting Ben's life being in danger is. If the verse doesn't have interaction with such things as CE and imaginary mass, I'm not sure how the omnitrix would be able to detect Ben's life being threatened.
Being in a void wouldn't grant protection from being turned into nothingness.
I'm not sure if HDE bypasses exotic hax it's verse doesn't have so we'd need a mod or knowledgeable member to discuss that further unless you are aware of the rule that covers it.
Ah I see, thank you for letting me know.
Hmm, then it would mostly be a matter of Ben actually having something the Omnitrix can index to counter, if the omnitrix can pick up the quality of attack being thrown at it.
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Can someone give Wincons for Ben 10. I just came here.
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Lmao gojo doesn’t have blind fold in his fight vs Sukuna
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I don't necessarily agree as that'd be unfair too other characters and can actually be counter intuitive imo.
I don't think applying Mana, which is life energy and law hax based on magic existing in every life form in Ben 10 should be applied to jjk sorcerers too.
Plus, according to threads I've seen, that's not necessarily the case as that's why a distinct advantage is granted to barrierless domains like sukuna's.
I might be wrong, but I'm okay with pointers
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Also Ben was in a timeless void and wasn’t shown to be affected by it. And the fact that hollow purple is not destroying the omnitrix means Ben can be revived
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Unlimited Void ≠ Timeless Void
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