Re:adding Resistance to Time Stop and Updating Hit's Range | Dragon Ball Super Revision

[sanicspood]

He won't don't worry

ik, but if he did he would be able to blitz immeasurable who can also blitz immeaursables

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

No, as what I mean is that if Goku gets a speed type, and other characters are able to see him, then I don't see why It can't be applied. What I mean is, that Infinite speed, would give most characters in the show Inmensurable speed, are you concerned ridiculous is It??? Jaco would have blatant infinite speed reactions, the same as the majority of the characters, such as Piccolo, No.18, Goten, Trunks, etc....., simply becouse they should scale above them, It would ruin all the scaling.

Don't you recognize that IS ABSURDLY INSANE!....

Oh god... No they wouldn't scale, how many times do I have to say that?

Jaco will never scale, 18 will never scale, Krilin and Roshi will never scale, and we already treats these as such.

 

[sanicspood]

Besides scaling and increasing speed, how would someone deduct a character is faster with different verses?

i think via speed amping and blizting others on the same speed tier

 

[Orange]

Jaco could scale, but just reaction speeds since his eyes are special, jaco is ftl or something like that, but he can perceive mftl+ with his eyes, but he can't fight or operate at such speeds

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Oh god... No they wouldn't scale, how many times do I have to say that?

Ok, then Jaco watching Goku and Hit wouldn't scale?, sigh..... He would get blatant infinite speed reactions, and others too.....,if Jaco has It, I don't get why others wouldn't, no matter how you try to twist It, it doesn't make sense and ruins the scaling, this doesn't have a logical answer.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Jaco could scale, but just reaction speeds since his eyes are special, jaco is ftl or something like that, but he can perceive mftl+ with his eyes, but he can't fight or operate at such speeds

Then the others should scale too

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Then the others should scale too

No

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Ok, then Jaco watching Goku and Hit wouldn't scale?, sigh..... He would get blatant infinite speed reactions, and others too.....,if Jaco has It, I don't get why others wouldn't, no matter how you try to twist It, it doesn't make sense and ruins the scaling, this doesn't have a logical answer.

You are the one who's twisting here. Jaco would scale, if he would, because he has actual feats and not just asspulls or PIS stuff that you are trying to pass as feats.

I agree with ArmBill and I'm not gonna change my mind this time

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

No

Why not???? just becouse the character has some type of "Magical eyes", scaling doesn't care about characters, but feats, if Jaco could, then others above his paygrade should too.

 

[ArmBill]

The show is already goofy with its scaling and feats. It dosen't mean it negates the feats shown, unless it's actually contradicted. Like Trunks in the ft arc was pulling asspulls left and right. But it dosen't mean he can't use those abilities and power in a fight.

Outliers are massive slippery slopes. If I go with that logic ig goku isn't universal. Just planet level fodder.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Why not???? just becouse the character has some type of "Magical eyes", scaling doesn't care about characters, but feats, if Jaco could, then others above his paygrade should too.

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[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

You are the one who's twisting here. Jaco would scale, if he would, because he has actual feats and not just asspulls or PIS stuff that you are trying to pass as feats.

"Actual feats", what actual reactions feats that other characters don't have???.....,did he evaded a Ki blast from Beerus or Blitz Jiren??
He only has reaction feats, and the others too, you guys are just cherrypicking characters for your own convenience.

And, which "asspulls"??, When is literally shown in the show that those characters were Abe to see the fight between Goku VS hit, and UI omen Goku VS Jiren??.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

"Actual feats", what actual reactions feats that other characters don't have???.....,did he evaded a Ki blast from Beerus or Blitz Jiren??
He only has reaction feats, and the others too, you guys are just cherrypicking characters for your own convenience.

Ok sure, show me the cherry picking. Because saying "for your convenience" Is a thing everyone can do

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

I will only point out that Jaco seems to be a weird exception when regarding DB speed. Considering how he was the only one who saw Frost's secret weapon and to notice how Hit was outright vanishing mid-attack. Even Goku himself was shocked at first when not even Jaco could see Hit's attacks.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Even Goku himself was shocked at first when not even Jaco could see Hit's attacks.

That proves that Jaco's eye aren't that special and most people think, they have limitations as any other eye.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

That proves that Jaco's eye aren't that special and most people think, they have limitations as any other eye.

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[Saiyan40009]

I do not agree with precognition and time stop for super goku but that there are heroes and. xenoverse when literally y. various feats infinite speed

 

[Rez]

I do not agree with precognition

Why Goku was literally predicting Hit's moves early on in the fight and he already has analytical prediction all this feat will do is add an explanation to it

 

[Rez]

There isn't an assumption though. The evidence shows others with immeasurable. An asspull wouldn't negate others feats.

@Rez I do agree with notion that goku's prediction skills were good. However I don't agree with time skip being time stop. Vados specifically said time skip wasn't time stop. In the U6 arc they mentioned that the name of his attack is time skip. Hit moving in the time skip dosen't change this fact.

No it is time stop indeed time skipping will mean hit will simply move ahead in time and hit has done this with the mob boss too and both of the instances don't aling with vados explanation hit was indeed skipping time early on in the fight but later on he started stopping it

 

[Rez]

Ok after rewatching the fight here's what I understood
At the beginning of the fight Goku was just predicting where Hit will time skip himself this is a pretty amazing feat for Precog upgrade

But later Hit kinds of alters his time stop as now he isn't just simply moving into the future but he is actually attacking Goku with in the time skip this is more like time stop than skip

Later on after Goku goes kaioken X10 he is capable of moving in Hit's time skip too so a resistance to time stop should be fine and you don't need immeasurable to move in stopped time infinte is good enough but I consider that too to be an outliner

For more context as to what I am talking about

 

[ArmBill]

No it is time stop indeed time skipping will mean hit will simply move ahead in time and hit has done this with the mob boss too and both of the instances don't aling with vados explanation hit was indeed skipping time early on in the fight but later on he started stopping it

During the mob boss scene. I dont think it was mentioned he used Time skip, just that he stopped time. While in the u6 arc it was specified as time skip. They're different abilities. Vados witnessed the goku vs hit fight and is the most clear explanation on what occured. Plus she has more insight than what any of us would have.There's no reason you can't send yourself forward time as well as move and react.

 

[ArmBill]

Also should others who can fight goku who are even or weaker get analytical prediction? Since goku isn't able to totally steam roll them or nah.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

There's no reason you can't send yourself forward time as well move and react

That's what happened in the show and you can't deny that.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Also should others who can fight goku who are even or weaker get analytical prediction? Since goku isn't able to totally steam roll them or nah.

A limited one

 

[ArmBill]

That's what happened in the show and you can't deny that.

So you agree with me?

A limited one

Okay

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

So you agree with me?

Oh My bad, I didn't read well..., you said "can't" instead of "can"

 

[Rez]

There's no reason you can't send yourself forward time as well as move and react.

Yes their absolutely is moving and attacking once you have moved forward in time is possible with time skip but moving and attacking during the skipped period of time is not possible with time skip

 

[Rez]

For attacking during the skipped period of time will require hit to actually be present in that instance of time and that's not possible since he has already skipped past it

 

[ArmBill]

It was never stated or shown he gained the power to stop time before attacking or reacting in the time skip. As well as it was never stated time skip was time stop. Before Hit fought vegeta he used the time skip on frost and beat up frost without appearing to even move from the same spot, implying he attacked him in it. Vados' word is above any of our head canon of the animation. As well as they describe it in the u6 arc, which was analogous to vados statment. Skipping is much different than stopping time.

I will say it's looks similar to time stop, which is why people thought it was that for so long. However its just a misconception and functions completely different.

 

[AwkguyDB]

if dbs goku gets immeasurable speed he'd unironically would be one of the fastest immeasurable speed beings on this site

Imagine Heroes Goku

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Imagine Heroes Goku

But it won't

 

[ArmBill]

How does heroes not have immeasurable speed, didn't they fly to other timelines or something?

 

[Teezar]

Isn't hit time skip 0.1 to 0.5 seconds?
Besides I feel it can be countered easily by faster characters.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

How does heroes not have immeasurable speed, didn't they fly to other timelines or something?

DBS won't, and this thread will be Hakai'd by AKM and other stuff anyway, and the DBH Inmensurable speed rating was rejected recently and multiple times, this won't be the exception.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Um Towa being able to reflect Time Rail may be a thing but someone would need to make a CRT

 

[BOEGVELD]

I doubt the writers even understand the technique at this point. I think the portrayal of the technique is the most important though. Time stop seems to be a side-effect of his Time-Skipping ability. Characters wouldn't be frozen and unable to move otherwise. Nor would Hit be able to attack for a certain amount of time without interfence.

Resistance to time stop and/or limited time travel/immeasurable speed for Goku is pretty reasonable imo.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

How does heroes not have immeasurable speed, didn't they fly to other timelines or something?

They did, but it was rejected (For some reason)

 

[ArmBill]

DBS won't, and this thread will be Hakai'd by AKM and other stuff anyway, and the DBH Inmensurable speed rating was rejected recently and multiple times, this won't be the exception.

I would appreciate if they actually gave input and elaborated before they closed it though.

I doubt the writers even understand the technique at this point. I think the portrayal of the technique is the most important though. Time stop seems to be a side-effect of his Time-Skipping ability. Characters wouldn't be frozen and unable to move otherwise. Nor would Hit be able to attack for a certain amount of time without interfence.

Resistance to time stop and/or limited time travel/immeasurable speed for Goku is pretty reasonable imo.

Like alot of things in dragonball, especially super. There's wack stuff put in that's confusing. It does seem though that the writers interpret the time skip as it is actually skipping, since they had vados say it.

 

[Maskofthedragon]

I still don't understand why the staff really hate Dragon Ball being mildly strong

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I would appreciate if they actually gave input and elaborated before they closed it though.

Zamasu Chan also gave some arguments for Inmensurable speed DBS, however, It also got rejected by many staff members, I already said how the infinite speed is a inconsistency, many characters would have to scale no matter what, and exceptions between characters can't be made, every Z fighter will have to scale no matter what, as they were able to keep with the fight between UI Goku and Jiren, you can't deny how dumb this sounds, but is how It is, that's why this all is ilogical nonesense.

So you guys should just stop pushing for a infinite speed Goku, no matter how sad, angry or frustrated you guys feel, you will have to accept Stuff decision and move on, you can't just try to push them for a infinite speed rating, Ignoring the incredibly amount of plotholes, PIS, and Antifeats on the show.

Just accept reality and recognize that things are not always going to turn out as you want.