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I think 2-A - Low 1-C would be the best for full power Wally
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@Zensum @C2_of_Omegon @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @LuciferDC099 @Newendigo @Ehnkr2beboh @Deagonx @Elizio33 @LordTracer @Planck69I don't mind a 2-A Flash, but it depends on what the knowledgeable members that I called here, such as Firestorm808, think.
I agree with Firestorm's conclusions, aside from that are there any problems?
Regarding consistency, I would say
Varies. Up to 4-B normally, possibly higher
3-A/Low 2-C at exactly Light Speed
Higher when directly channeling the speed Force.
Chain Lightning is very unique in the Post-Crisis era.
I think so too. No reason to not have that power level.I thought it’d be something like “2-C, possibly 2-A or Low 1-C when channeling the entire Speed Force”?
I mostly agree with Firestorm808’s proposals, although I don’t mind 2-A Wally when he’s amped by the Speed Force.@Zensum @C2_of_Omegon @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @LuciferDC099 @Newendigo @Ehnkr2beboh @Deagonx @Elizio33 @LordTracer @Planck69
Would you be willing to help out here again please?
Time travels backward to earlier in the alternate Crisis, during the final battle between Earth’s heroes and the Anti-Monitor after creating New Earth. Image
Shares speed with heroes in order to boost their metabolism to be powerful enough to injure the Anti-Monitor. Image
When they fail, Wally then starts tearing apart the Anti-Monitor’s armor by himself. This is not his full strength, as demonstrated later in the issue with his fight against Cobalt Blue.Image 1 Image 2 Image 3Image 4 Image 5
I see. What was his power level during this storyline?AM Universe absorbed Dawn of Time Anti Monitor is a different level of power from New Earth Anti Matter Star Absorbing Anti Monitor.
He was more powerful due to barry’s absenceAM Universe absorbed Dawn of Time Anti Monitor is a different level of power from New Earth Anti Matter Star Absorbing Anti Monitor.
Yeah, assuming the AM scene doesn't have some crippling context maxing out at 2-A isn't bad (he did amp the heroes when they shattered his armor).I mostly agree with Firestorm808’s proposals, although I don’t mind 2-A Wally when he’s amped by the Speed Force.
My issue with that is The Spectre in later tales was later established as being able to prevent COIE on his own but didn't do his foolishness.I don’t see a problem with scaling Wally to a mere 2-A Spectre.
He was more powerful due to barry’s absence
Following New Earth, there is no Pre-Crisis Reverse-Flash in the reborn timeline.I mean the relativistic mass punch beat up Pre-Crisis Reverse Flash who scales to Superwoman who should be 2-C and he should be superior to Barry who stopped the anti-matter cannon. Technically his rebirth feats could also scale to his Post-Crisis self via Hunter Zolomon. Don't forget that he has a variable tier and I'm also fine with accounting for his 8-C low-ends. His fight with Cobalt Blue (who's the one to kill Pre-Crisis Barry) could also back this up, but I'm skeptical on him using the entire SF against him.
Okay. I trust your sense of judgement. We should follow your suggestions regarding how this upgrade should be applied.@Antvasima
In the 25 years of Post-Crisis Speedster history, Wally's interaction with the Semi-beaten Anti-Monitor would be the highest non-speed force tapped feat at At least 2-C/2-A (See Anti-Monitor pending CRT). I consider this an outlier.
Flash has consistently shown that his heaviest attacks on his own rely on relativity. In the same Chain Lightning Storyline Flash Vol 2 #148, Wally describes his Dwarf Star RMP as his hardest punch ever, going all out because of time travel logic. Ripping the universe via his IMP at exactly the speed of light would be High 3-A/3-A since nothing implies it destroying the timeline or affecting time.
As for feats tapping into the speed force, we have Wally defeating Cobalt Blue, Bart Allen volunteered to absorb the entire Speed Force so that he would be fast enough to stop Prime, and Barry traveling back in time to save his mom causing the Flashpoint Timeline. I would rate their use of the Speed force as 2-C.
The multiverse map wasn't introduced until Multiversity in 2014, so we shouldn't apply that structure to past stories and feats.