Post-Crisis Wally West 2-A CRT

[Alphaapexnep00]

Feats: antimonitor : this version of antimonitor is considered 2-a. And wally Fought him on equal standing (the flash 1987 issue #150.)
Affecting the multiverse.(the flash 2016 issue #49.)
Used the full power of the speed force. Which is said to have infinite energy and responsible for the kinetic energy in the multiverse.
Survives dc and his history getting retconned.

I think Wally should get a 2a rating.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Citations?

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

Citations?

Wdym

 

[ElixirBlue]

I agree. (Issue numbers, pls)

This seems blatant and can forsee no issue with the scaling.

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

I agree. (Issue numbers, pls)

This seems blatant and can forsee no issue with the scaling.

Ok

 

[InfiniteDay]

Hard disagree, this is an outlier.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Wdym

Not sure if it’s mandatory but it’s preferred that you provide the Issues/stories these feats occur in so people can properly evaluate the feats based their context.

Also, are you proposing for Wally to just become 2-A outright?

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Please read this before requesting anything like this.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Feats: antimonitor : this version of antimonitor is considered 2-a. And wally Fought him on equal standing.

And then got his ass handed to him

Affecting the multiverse.

While he was running with him and Barry

survives darkseid omega beam point blank.

Just EE resistance

Survives dc and his history getting retconned.

This is, a blatantly huge outlier

The rest don't even seem 2-A

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

Please read this before requesting anything like this.

Don't know if this is an invasion of privacy but this what motivated me.

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Don't know if this is an invasion of privacy but this what motivated me.

You should contact them then to see if they're still willing to agree to that then.

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

And then got his ass handed to him

Just EE resistance

This is, a blatantly huge outlier

The rest don't even seem 2-A

He still inflicted harm to anti monitor

Ok agree with ee Resistance

Not everything is an outlier

Removed them the other feats.

. Plus they are other feats like this :
Used the full power of the speed force. Which is said to have infinite energy and responsible for the kinetic energy in the multiverse.
Survives dc and his history getting retconned. Dc multiverse is infinite and the speed force controls the kinetic energy around it and wally clearly used it's full power making him 2-a. Plus the other feats have shown above.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Infinite Kinetic Energy is High 3-A

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

Infinite Kinetic Energy is High 3-A

The speed force has kinetic energy surrounding the multiverse. So it's higher than 3-a.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

The speed force has kinetic energy surrounding the multiverse. So it's higher than 3-a.

Infinite amount of energy is just high 3-A though

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

Infinite amount of energy is just high 3-A though

How is a source that provides kinetic energy for and infinite multiverse 3-a?

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

How is a source that provides kinetic energy for and infinite multiverse 3-a?

Because, infinite energy is High 3-A, it has to be 4D in order to be 2-A, and pretty sure infinite 4D energy is just Low 2-C

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

Because, infinite energy is High 3-A, it has to be 4D in order to be 2-A, and pretty sure infinite 4D energy is just Low 2-C

The speed force literally extends to the bleed.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

The speed force literally extends to the bleed.

Ok, but infinite kinetic energy still is only high 3-A

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

Ok, but infinite kinetic energy still is only high 3-A

You haven't proved why it's only 3-a.

 

[Hasty12345]

I wouldn't be opposed to a "Full Power of The Speedforce" key, it doesn't sound like this is regular Wally.

If Superman can have a "2-A after unknown amount of sun dips", I don't see why this is a problem.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

You haven't proved why it's only 3-a.

Dude, kinetic energy is 3D, infinite 3D energy is High 3-A. This is straight up in the tiering system page

Characters who demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D area or an infinite number of finite or infinite universes when not accounting for any higher dimensions or time, or more generally any realm of comparable size. Large numbers of infinite universes, unless causally closed from one another by a separate spacetime or existence, only count for a higher level of this tier. Being “infinitely” stronger than this level, unless uncountably so, does not qualify for any higher tier.

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

Dude, kinetic energy is 3D, infinite 3D energy is High 3-A. This is straight up in the tiering system page

And I explained why the speed force isn't 3-d. It literally extends to bleed and separate the sphere of gods from the multiverse.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

And I explained why the speed force isn't 3-d. It literally extends to bleed and separate the sphere of gods from the multiverse.

I know it isn't 3D, but you haven't explained why an infinite amount of KE isn't high 3-A

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

I know it isn't 3D, but you haven't explained why an infinite amount of KE isn't high 3-A

you just contradict your self. I said wally used the full power of the speed force. Which has enough kinetic force to move the multiverse . The speed force not being 3-d should be enough to prove why the kinetic force isnt 3-d

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

I think Flash War had Wally and Barry race across the DC multiverse and were moving so fast it was affecting everything like the sphere of the gods. It could be at best a Low 1-C feat.

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

I think Flash War had Wally and Barry race across the DC multiverse and were moving so fast it was affecting everything like the sphere of the gods. It could be at best a Low 1-C feat.

The feat is 2-a but low1-c with environmental destruction.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

you just contradict your self. I said wally used the full power of the speed force. Which has enough kinetic force to move the multiverse . The speed force not being 3-d should be enough to prove why the kinetic force isnt 3-d

Proof that the KE isn’t 3D? Just because one thing comes from a higher D thing doesn’t mean it’s that dimensional level

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

Proof that the KE isn’t 3D? Just because one thing comes from a higher D thing doesn’t mean it’s that dimensional level

Yeah cause an energy that moves the multiverse forward is only 3-d.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Dude, kinetic energy is 3D, infinite 3D energy is High 3-A. This is straight up in the tiering system page

I mean, it mentions the Multiverse, why would the multiverse be 3-D?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This sounds like it's either a massive outlier, or something taken completely out of context that it's not actually an AP feat or so.

 

[Thelastmlg]

By that logic matter is 4D due To being contained inside the spacetime continumn.

You gotta prove KE there is 4D which it clearly isn't or else everyone would be tier 2, also housing all the KE in the multiverse is still 3D for the same reason as erasing an human from infinite timelines is high 3-A at best.

I really doubt singular universes have infinite KE so it has infinite KE because of theren being infinite timelines, and even if some universes have infinite KE, 3D infinite + 3D infinite is still 3D infinite

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

This sounds like it's either a massive outlier, or something taken completely out of context that it's not actually an AP feat or so.

They are more feats above that gives him a 2-a rating. And the kinetic energy isn't the main feat. It's that he used the full power of the speed force.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This sounds like it's either a massive outlier, or something taken completely out of context that it's not actually an AP feat or so.

I also agree it seems very sus.

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

By that logic matter is 4D due To being contained inside the spacetime continumn.

You gotta prove KE there is 4D which it clearly isn't or else everyone would be tier 2, also housing all the KE in the multiverse is still 3D for the same reason as erasing an human from infinite timelines is high 3-A at best.

I really doubt singular universes have infinite KE so it has infinite KE because of theren being infinite timelines, and even if some universes have infinite KE, 3D infinite + 3D infinite is still 3D infinite

The rating doesn't come from kinetic energy. They are more feats above. This particular feat is about wally using the full power of the speed force.

 

[Bernkastelll]

What if ppl stop saying that it is Sus and start to debunk the feats?

 

[Hasty12345]

I'm kind of concerned with how this CRT is being handled.

This is clearly an amped Wally who he doesn't usually scale to, this should be a debate on whether it's worth creating a new key for this Wally, not arguing "outliers".

Superman has a 2-A key for extended sunbathing... https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Superman_(Post-Flashpoint)

 

[Thelastmlg]

The rating doesn't come from kinetic energy. They are more feats above. This particular feat is about wally using the full power of the speed force.

The less support the more outlierish it becomes, show us what actually makes the speedforce 2-A instead of only using a supporting feat that doesn't even support it.

Agree on a new key or potentially 2-A via absorbing speedforce

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I don’t see an issue with him getting a higher Tiered key when he’s amped, but my concern is whether or not the feats are valid.

 

[Firestorm808]

I'll look into this later today.