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That should be left for another thread. after we sought this out I would personally make the thread(but I won't be involved). So let's focus on this first.
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Post-Crisis Wally West 2-A CRT
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I completely agree with him being 2-A but you know how comic characters on this site are treated.
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So what has been agreed on so far
I personally think it should be this way
2-C to 2-A Peak Wally
Low 1-C/1-C to 1-B/High 1-B at least with the Speed Force
I personally think it should be this way
2-C to 2-A Peak Wally
Low 1-C/1-C to 1-B/High 1-B at least with the Speed Force
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1-B and High 1-B DC has been rejected half a dozen times
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And those reasons were flawed but I think it should be safer for another thread I think
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That scan is accepted as a fictional trancendense, is shown to be a fictional trancendense and is a fictional trancendense. It's like arguing againt's a blatent scan just because it dosen't fit the no R > F narrative.
This thread isn't made for this shit. Go make another thread and debater there I guess.
This thread isn't made for this shit. Go make another thread and debater there I guess.
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@Antvasima Can the changes to Wally's page be applied (2-C, possibly 2-A at peak)? This thread's getting too derailed and I don't know if there are still people who disagree.
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For the record, I agree with Deagonx regarding that an analogy for easier understanding is not the same as saying that geometric extra dimensions allow you to see lower ones as fiction.
Anyway, we should preferably return to the topic of the Flash's tiering.
Anyway, we should preferably return to the topic of the Flash's tiering.
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I would prefer some more input from the knowledgeable members regarding this specific topic first.
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Do you still need more input?.
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Yes.
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Can you state or reiterate what you think that we should do here please?
Can you state or reiterate what you think that we should do here please?
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I think Wally should have "4-B. 2-C, possibly 2-A at peak". I've seen some suggestions for him having a lower end as well, which I don't mind really.
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I think DC's definition of omniverse is currently used in the correct sense.
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Firestorm was still composing something. My option is that if we accept it, the rating would be for channeling the full speed force.
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The full speed force is still superior to 2-A. So that'd be misleading, Bart for instance needed outside help to absorb the full Speed Force and it also cut off every other speedster from it iirc.
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No, many small multiversal collections of universes combined together just make a larger type of multiverse. That's it.
The omniverse is all of fiction and reality combined. It is a very stupid concept, as it is impossible to apply for a single fiction.
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The second definition on the wiki omniverse page is '' infinite collection of multiverses '' Anyway, if Speed Force exists among infinite multiverse, it transcends 1-A realms like Limbo. For flashes, a 1-A switch should be added for when they use Speed Force power at high level, at full power. The High Father's assumption that the energy comes from The Source also supports that he surpasses Multiverse.
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Omniverse
On this wiki, we do not use the term "Omniverse" anymore because no source seems to agree on what it is. 1) The Marvel handbook defines it as all of fiction and reality combined. If this is the definition, then no fictional character can logically reach this high, as each supposedly "omnipotent"...
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"On this wiki, we do not use the term "Omniverse" anymore because no source seems to agree on what it is."
We don't use Omniverse in this wiki. Also "infinite collection of multiverses" is just 2-A, Low 1-C at best.
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this is prob true but can i see a scan?
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Which scan do you want?
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the scan that says the speed force is above 1-a structures
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Don't you know that Limbo and Monitor Sphere in Multiverse are 1-A? I remember the wiki also accepts them as 1-A.Omniverse
On this wiki, we do not use the term "Omniverse" anymore because no source seems to agree on what it is. 1) The Marvel handbook defines it as all of fiction and reality combined. If this is the definition, then no fictional character can logically reach this high, as each supposedly "omnipotent"...
"On this wiki, we do not use the term "Omniverse" anymore because no source seems to agree on what it is."
We don't use Omniverse in this wiki. Also "infinite collection of multiverses" is just 2-A, Low 1-C at best.
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He says that he perceives it as energy coming from beyond the sphere of the gods and is felt right up to the Source Wall. So it takes up the entire Multiverse.
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And the Speed Force isn't. Also you shouldn't use another site's definition of a word we don't use.
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Guys stop derailing, I can argue the SF to be High 1-A if you want but that ain't relevant here. What's relevant here is that 1) Wally fought AM and 2) that the full Speed Force is tier 1 (probably Low 1-C) based on stuff that's already accepted on-site. All the rest is irrelevant and derailing.
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He's the one who stated it, I'm just telling him it's not correct.
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Sorry man. I just told the truth, he didn't accept.
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I mean...it is though?
Bleed is a fifth dimensional structure and 5D is 1-A in DC. Speed Force is above the Bleed on the map.
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That's... not how that works. The recent 5D is way higher than that but Bleed doesn't scale to it.
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Bump
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Speaking of Bart wouldn't Superboy Prime get upgrade to 2A for fighting Bart after he absorb the speed force
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Let's not get overenthusiastic with the upgrades here.
Given how inconsistent superhero comic books are, if Bart was not explicitly shown to be at this level in the story, we should probably not upgrade Prime as well, but I am not certain.
In any case, a 1-A Flash seems extremely exaggerated.
Given how inconsistent superhero comic books are, if Bart was not explicitly shown to be at this level in the story, we should probably not upgrade Prime as well, but I am not certain.
In any case, a 1-A Flash seems extremely exaggerated.
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More like for getting his ass handed to him by Bart
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