Pain's Super Shinra Tensei Discussion

[Golden_Void]

Also since ST is gravity manipulation, the ISL should be applied here.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Weirdly enough Jiraiya showed that ability.

And yes what you are saying is correct its just a ST on steroids but as they have never used it we cant be certain of it especially considering other Rinnegan users havent had the rinnegan for nearly as long as Nagato.

 

[BlackeJan]

I know it was filler but in the Power arc, SM Naruto CALMLY beating the crap out of a clone 5 or 6 tails Naruto

 

[Golden_Void]

Weirdly enough Jiraiya showed that ability.
And yes what you are saying is correct its just a ST on steroids but as they have never used it we cant be certain of it especially considering other Rinnegan users havent had the rinnegan for nearly as long as Nagato.

...........We can't be certain they can apply more chakra?

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

We cant be certain that they have the finese and chakra control required to do it.

If it was simple like adding more chakra Naruto after learning rasengan could make a bigger rasengan than Jiraiya ever could.

 

[Golden_Void]

Nagato is using a borrowed rinnegan, therefore that directly scales to Madara who pretty much awakened the rinnegan pretty much before death, and Sasuke, who arguably has a better rinnegan.

Obito's rinnegan use allowed him to control every jinchuuriki and tailed beast simultaneously while fighting in the war. Nagato's feats pale in comparison. Obito did it with only one rinnegan, and both feats are using Madara's abilities.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

KCM Naruto and Obito scale to this.

and Kakashi for fighting Obito

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

On a phone so could we please wait up on the topic as i am an incredibly slow writer.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Sure

 

[Golden_Void]

Why would anyone besides a rinnegan user scale to this? Everybody got trashed even while they were hiding in Katsuyu who has regenerative properties while Pain used the jutsu. Tsunade used her strength of 100 seal for both Regenerationn, as well as summoning Katsuyu to help everyone out. She could barely stand and reverted back into an old lady. Everyone in the leaf got trashed.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Tsunade didnt have katsuyu or 100 seals active once again pls lets wait on the topic for 2 to 3 hours.

 

[Golden_Void]

......did you read the manga?

Katsuyu stating it took everything to save the people

An Anbu member stating she used the 100 seal for both Regenerationn and sending chakra to Katsuyu, plus her seal disappearing, which is exactly why she became old again.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

as for The Sanin, I always believed it was a rock, paper Scizors thing as that's what I believe Kishimoto's intentions were as that's what their characters are based off and implied in the databooks

 

[Damage3245]

For Tsunade to be 6-C from the Super Shinra Tensei, wouldn't she need to tank/withstand the majority of it and not just be hit by a fraction of attack?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

but...

KCM>>>>Six Tailed>>ST

Obito=KCm

Kakashi=Obito

Sakura stated in her 100 seal form to be comparable to KCM Naruto

i mean it wouldnt be surprising for Tsunade to be 6-C in her 100 seal

 

[Mindovin]

@Shadow

In their fight, Obito couldn't use any Rinnegan tech and admitted that he loses against Kakashi deliberately for removing the seal in his heart.

And she needs to be rescued after that.

I don't even know where this 100x comes from.

With this revisions going Tailed Beasts become fodders in no time.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Obito didnt use any of his rinnegan abilities against Naruto either

 

[Mindovin]

He never uses any Rinnegan tech even after becoming JJ, so scaling for his Rinnegan Obito to who fought against him faulty scaling.

 

[Damage3245]

Technically Obito did use the Rinnegan to create chakra recievers and control his Six Paths.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

What's even going on? Nobody's supposed to scale to this.

 

[Mindovin]

@Damage

Yes, he used those but he didn't use any offensive ability of the Rinnegan (mainly Shinra Tensei) which is the main topic.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Obito didn't use them for some reasons. Just look at his fight with Kakashi and Gai. It was somewhat explained.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Obito didn't use them for some reasons. Just look at his fight with Kakashi and Gai. It was somewhat explained.

i thought it was PIS

but it has been years since i read that fight

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I wouldn't say years for me, but it's been a long time. But if you look it up on Google, I'm sure you'll see it.

And PIS is also plausible. Because, you know, that's the same author that nerfed Kamui so Juubito wouldn't solo the shinobi alliance.

 

[Golden_Void]

Nobody scales. Even if we were to scale them to all the rinnegan wielders, they're already far beyond the AP calculated for the feat. If anything it scales to Madara, since they're his eyes.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Nobody scales. Even if we were to scale them to all the rinnegan wielders, they're already far beyond the AP calculated for the feat. If anything it scales to Madara, since they're his eyes.

i think this makes the most sense

 

[BlackeJan]

Wait I thought that KCM Naruto would scale?

That's what the Kep-sama said at the top

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

well i mean fodder characters

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[Rocker1189]

KCM should scale. But probably no one else.

 

[Golden_Void]

Edo Nagato nearly ripped KCM Naruto's soul out, and was saved by Itachi. Hmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Rocker1189]

Edo Nagato nearly ripped KCM Naruto's soul out, and was saved by Itachi. Hmmmmmmmmmm

??

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

What he means is that there's no reason for KCM Naruto to scale.

 

[Rocker1189]

What he means is that there's no reason for KCM Naruto to scale.

But pulling out someones soul is hax based not AP based. And Nagato is stronger than Pain who would scale to this. And he was saved by Itachi by a Susanoo attack which easily tanked a 7-B attack btw and is only 7-B because we dont have a higher thing to scale it off of. A lot is wrong with that statement.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I agree with rocker here KCM should scale

six tailed Naruto casually tore through ST

and six tailed Naruto has a feat that puts him at 6-C

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Not even that. There's no reason for Naruto to scale in the first place.

 

[Golden_Void]

Using this and Gwyn's method to find a height + Kep's measurements

Angle of konoha from screen = 63.753459161

Distance from screen = 37.563km

Pain angle = 13.421587171

Distance from screen = 7.5002m

Total distance = 37563 - 7.5002 = 37.555km

Let's shave off 1.5km to guesstimate a 90 degree downward angle = 36.055km

Adding crater depth (225.014693878m) = 36.280014693878km (Radius of the ST from Pain to the bottom of the crater)

Inverse square law

Intensity at 36.28km = 4.7816065965583174346 gigatons of TNT

Power of the source = 4 * pi * (36.28 km)^2 * 4.7816065965583174346 gigatons of TNT = 79,089 gigatons of TNT, or 3.3e23 J, 6-B

Obviously a very rough calc as far as measurements go (only took a few minutes), but this would be around the general idea of the total power used here.

There are other scans that can possibly be used for distance/height

 

[Golden_Void]

But pulling out someones soul is hax based not AP based. And Nagato is stronger than Pain who would scale to this. And he was saved by Itachi by a Susanoo attack which easily tanked a 7-B attack btw and is only 7-B because we dont have a higher thing to scale it off of. A lot is wrong with that statement.

So you're saying edo Nagato's casual universal pull is stronger than his super shinra tensei?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

wait wot 6-B?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

when you bring up a 6-C supporting feat

Rice: 6-B


.........

touche

 

[Rocker1189]

No I am sayin gthat soul sucking does not account for AP since it is hax. Never said anything about his shinra tensei but at least the casual one is def stronger than Pain's casual one. Same for both of their super ones.