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Akainu's devil fruit is superior to Whitebeards
And Whitebeard can casually smack away his devil fruit
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One Piece God Tiers 6-B Upgrade
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And Whitebeard can casually smack away his devil fruit
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Just because the potential for Akainu's Devil Fruit is higher doesn't mean that the hit that Whitebeard smacked away was superior to all of his quakes.
That's because the bisento is a sharp weapon; the damage is going to be a lot more prominent. It doesn't necessarily mean Whitebeard's physical strength was greater than his quake-bubble there.
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It never says the potential for Akainiu's devil fruit is higher.
It says Akainu's devil fruit is stronger.
Until we have a site standard that drastically drops the significance of sharp weapons to where going in your shoulder is super insignificant compared to a dura negging earthquake that can't break skin, then WB's strength > his DF which faltered to a BB who was injured from his physicals
Yeah
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Akainu's Devil Fruit can be stronger overall without every single attack from him being superior to Whitebeard's best feat.
It's still not accurate IMO to say that damage done was just damage from WB's strength, when it is WB's strength being focused into a sharp weapon. Distribution of how force is delivered is important to take into account even if we don't have a great way of representing it on the profiles themselves.
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That statement refers to the Logia, very surely
It does not make sense, that the Magu magu is more powerful than the Gura Gura, when the latter is the fruit with the ability to destroy the world, while the Magu magu does not have that kind of offensive power.
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I'd take a focused dog aimed at a guy who just made 2 Tsunami's over any casual attack. The best you could argue is Akainu holding back on someone like Koby.
He said his devil fruit is stronger. The feat we're scaling to is a casual technique from WB just talking.
This isn't the card we're going to play this time. WB did a casual technique and another devil fruit is stated to be stronger. Akainu scales above it.
Ok.
Then both of our examples are bad.
Mine about sharp weapons and yours about feats that never happen.
We don't accept that statement for AP.
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That you do not accept it for AP, does not mean that in-canon can be used for powerscaling.
For Oda, Gura Gura>Magu Magu in power.
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Because we don't accept the statement in general. It's one of the prime examples of the hyperbole page.
And that would be destructive power, not offensive power. Pica has more destructive power than Sengoku but Sengoku can hit harder.
You're trying to scale off of a statement we don't accept.
That's never stated, and Oda's the one who said Magu Magu > Gura Gura.
Oda said Gura Gura's on the level of logias. Never had a statement of strongest devil fruit, only strongest paramecia.
Then he said Akainu has the highest attack power of all devil fruits.
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The OP has been answered, I'll put my scaling in another thread.
Do you guys have anything else to say or can I close this thread?
Do you guys have anything else to say or can I close this thread?
WrongIdea21
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What? Magu magu is the most Offensive DF power man.
Btw I'm asking for the Oden's Key because Prime Whitebeard physical likely Stronger than His DF power. Whitebeard noneeven Showed to use His DF power on his Prime while fought Roger but after that he angry and doesn't mean to Attack Roger but he create a several Tsunami wich is 6B. I think Whitebeard without Haki = His DF < Whitebeard witj Haki, we need Higher Rating For Haoshoku imbued things since its not Durability negation.
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How do you get this?
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WrongIdea21
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He fought with Akainu on chapter 568 without use DF and Use DF , Akainu DF Match Whitebeard's DF.
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How do you know he wasn't using Haki?
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We don't see it, so no proof that he used it
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We don't see Haki almost at all Pre-Timeskip, but we know it was being used.
It'd be more accurate to say that there's no definitive proof he was or was not using it, but contextually he was fighting a Logia user so it makes more sense for him to be using it.
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There is nothing insinuating in that scene that he used Haki, unlike his statement where he used it against Aokiji, there's nothing.
He was deflecting his long range attack. You don't need Busoshoku for that.
WrongIdea21
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I think he doesn't use Haki for sure as Tempest Said.
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@Damage3245 Burden of proof is on you to prove he used Haki
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I'm not saying he definitely used Haki. I said:
You can't look at an invisible thing and say "I don't see it, so it 100% is not there."
If we're going to make a definite statement that "Whitebeard did not use Haki there", then there is a burden of proof for that statement as well.
The more neutral position to take is; Whitebeard may or may not have used Haki. (An ability we know he possesses, has used in the battle already and has no reason not to use it, and we can't see whether he's using it or not.)
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We see Whitebeard smack an attack.
We don't see the aura around him or his weapon like Rayleigh had, we don't get a statement like Marco, we don't even get a flashback like Rayleigh did that shows him using Koka, we don't get an implication like Luffy vs Caesar or Tashigi vs Monet.
Nothing states or shows he used Haki. Occam's razor shows he didn't use Haki.
You don't have a single piece of proof that shows that he used Haki.
The best position is that he didn't use Haki unless there's further proof.
We don't see the aura around him or his weapon like Rayleigh had, we don't get a statement like Marco, we don't even get a flashback like Rayleigh did that shows him using Koka, we don't get an implication like Luffy vs Caesar or Tashigi vs Monet.
Nothing states or shows he used Haki. Occam's razor shows he didn't use Haki.
You don't have a single piece of proof that shows that he used Haki.
You did the exact same thing for the people who hurt Luffy without Haki who were confirmed to possess Haki.
The best position is that he didn't use Haki unless there's further proof.
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Okay, I have nothing further to say on the subject other than I disagree for the reasons I've mentioned.
WrongIdea21
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your disagreement is unreasonable, and your reasons have also been refuted many times, if this continues there will be no result unless you are neutral about this.
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You can believe that if you wish.
WrongIdea21
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Oh, cool!
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Why is the thread still open? the changes are already applied.
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KT said he will make a new thread, so I'll close this one now and let him make that when he's ready.
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Fair.
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