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This should be pretty straight forward. We now have a new accepted calc for Ogre and Mori that gives us an INSANE amount of changes to mid tier characters.
4-A upgrades:
First let's discuss who gets the 4-A upgrades by scaling to the feat itself. Currently everyone who scales to 4B does so by scaling to jeabongchim 250,000x Mori Jin. Since jeabongchim 250,000x p2 Satan gets completely obliterated by the very same Mori so all we have to do is swap the values. In other words, this is what changes:
Before:
New 4-B upgrades:
You heard that right, the old 4Bs aren't the only ones getting fixed up. Since Satan scales to this feat with a 250,000x multiplier, this means that everyone who scales to base Satan or base Mori would therefore scale to 1/250000 of the feat. In other words, they will scale to 5.6771532e+53J, or Solar System level.
I'll note that a quite significant portion of the verse (mostly less relevant weaker characters) needs a complete revision in regards to in-universe scaling. I'll save that for a separate CRT as that includes mostly part 6 side characters meaning their scaling to part 5 characters tends to be complicated as there's a 17 year time skip in between the parts. So for now I'll only focus on the most obvious and important part 5 characters.
Who gets upgraded and how much:
Now important note: This is NOT exactly how the profiles will look. Since 99% of the in-universe scaling remains the exact same, most profiles will look mostly the same but with different values.
When editing the profiles I'm also planning to add missing scans for already existing reasonings while applying this as a lot of them miss important scans, but I have to get the upgrade accepted as fast as possible because I'm going out of town in 4 days so I couldn't post them here yet.
TL;DR/Conclusion:
1. Pretty much every 4B gets upgraded to 4A based on a newly accepted calc.
2. Most High 4Cs get upgraded to 4B by downscaling to the calc via accepted multipliers.
3. This not only makes the profiles more accurate and strips us of being completely reliant on a multiplier, but also creates a far more consistent scaling.
Agrees(successful and popular): Me(duh), Mndks, Spectra_Schiffer, Zeinx1, DarkDragonMedeus, PowerToScale, sunshine, Linafrfr, Halkum145, Sir_Ovens
Disagrees(stinky and smelly):
Will be applied in about 8 days…
To start things off we should settle who actually scales to the calc. The feat is performed by Ogre and Mori. We can scale these 2 pretty easily. For the main argument I'll focus on Ogre as she has fought Tataghata.
Mori states that he's "not as strong as he used to be" right before fighting Ogre. This would at the very least put him below Supreme God Mori Jin from ragnarok. The second person who contributed to the feat is Ogre. Ogre has fought Tataghata to a stalemate in the past which tells us that they should be comparable in stats. Mori has not only fought Tataghata but outright killed him before ragnarok, yet he states Satan is the strongest person he's ever fought. He even notes this later after ragnarok again. This is even confirmed by the author in a 2018 interview where he notes Satan is physically the strongest character at the time of part 5 and only loses to others due to his inexperience. Based on this the weakest person we know scales to the full feat should be Jeabongchim amped phase 2 Satan, as that is who Mori calls "the strongest person he's ever fought". That statement will be our main point of comparison moving forward to simplify the scaling.
Mori states that he's "not as strong as he used to be" right before fighting Ogre. This would at the very least put him below Supreme God Mori Jin from ragnarok. The second person who contributed to the feat is Ogre. Ogre has fought Tataghata to a stalemate in the past which tells us that they should be comparable in stats. Mori has not only fought Tataghata but outright killed him before ragnarok, yet he states Satan is the strongest person he's ever fought. He even notes this later after ragnarok again. This is even confirmed by the author in a 2018 interview where he notes Satan is physically the strongest character at the time of part 5 and only loses to others due to his inexperience. Based on this the weakest person we know scales to the full feat should be Jeabongchim amped phase 2 Satan, as that is who Mori calls "the strongest person he's ever fought". That statement will be our main point of comparison moving forward to simplify the scaling.
4-A upgrades:
First let's discuss who gets the 4-A upgrades by scaling to the feat itself. Currently everyone who scales to 4B does so by scaling to jeabongchim 250,000x Mori Jin. Since jeabongchim 250,000x p2 Satan gets completely obliterated by the very same Mori so all we have to do is swap the values. In other words, this is what changes:
Before:
Now:
Furthermore, the note that has been accepted here applies the same way to the same characters, just for the new value instead of the old one.
New 4-B upgrades:
You heard that right, the old 4Bs aren't the only ones getting fixed up. Since Satan scales to this feat with a 250,000x multiplier, this means that everyone who scales to base Satan or base Mori would therefore scale to 1/250000 of the feat. In other words, they will scale to 5.6771532e+53J, or Solar System level.
I'll note that a quite significant portion of the verse (mostly less relevant weaker characters) needs a complete revision in regards to in-universe scaling. I'll save that for a separate CRT as that includes mostly part 6 side characters meaning their scaling to part 5 characters tends to be complicated as there's a 17 year time skip in between the parts. So for now I'll only focus on the most obvious and important part 5 characters.
Who gets upgraded and how much:
Base: 4-C (no changes from his current profile)
Phase 2: 4B (5.67e53J) , up to 4A (1.41e59J) with Jeabongchim Acupuncture (stronger than Tataghata who could fight Ogre in the past)
Phase 3: at least 4B, up to 4A with Jeabongchim Acupuncture
Phase 2: 4B (5.67e53J) , up to 4A (1.41e59J) with Jeabongchim Acupuncture (stronger than Tataghata who could fight Ogre in the past)
Phase 3: at least 4B, up to 4A with Jeabongchim Acupuncture
The King: Same as before but bumps up from High 4C to 4B(5.67e53J) since Hui gets upgraded
at least 4B (5.67e53J), (was stated to have gained the full power of Mori Jin)
4A(1.41e59J) (stronger than early supreme God Mujin who is equal to supreme God Mori Jin), far higher with jeabongchim Acupuncture (3.525e+64J). (same reasoning as before but different tier), far higher in his last key
4A(1.41e59J) in his pre-Ogre key (Shook the dimension inside the Dragon Kings stomach in his fight with Ogre), Far higher with Ogre (3.525e+64J)
4A(1.41e59J) in all of her keys (same reasoning as before), far higher in her Wifi and Greed keys(3.525e+64J).
at least 4B(5.67e53J) with the full power of the JE (as the key name suggests, he's literally just as strong as The King), up to 4A(1.41e59J) (same reasoning as before), higher in his later keys(3.525e+64J).
at least 4A(1.41e59J) in his supreme god key, (was stated to be stronger than SG Mori Jin), far higher with reactive evolution(3.525e+64J) (adapted to and defeated jeabongchim Satan even though they were relative before Satans power up)
at least 4A(1.41e59J) (scales to half the feat in the calc)
at least 4A(1.41e59J) (fought Ogre in the past)
Now important note: This is NOT exactly how the profiles will look. Since 99% of the in-universe scaling remains the exact same, most profiles will look mostly the same but with different values.
When editing the profiles I'm also planning to add missing scans for already existing reasonings while applying this as a lot of them miss important scans, but I have to get the upgrade accepted as fast as possible because I'm going out of town in 4 days so I couldn't post them here yet.
TL;DR/Conclusion:
1. Pretty much every 4B gets upgraded to 4A based on a newly accepted calc.
2. Most High 4Cs get upgraded to 4B by downscaling to the calc via accepted multipliers.
3. This not only makes the profiles more accurate and strips us of being completely reliant on a multiplier, but also creates a far more consistent scaling.
Agrees(successful and popular): Me(duh), Mndks, Spectra_Schiffer, Zeinx1, DarkDragonMedeus, PowerToScale, sunshine, Linafrfr, Halkum145, Sir_Ovens
Disagrees(stinky and smelly):
Will be applied in about 8 days…
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. I'm currently in a car on my way to a skiing resort so I'll apply it in about 7-8 days 
