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That depends, do those characters have anti feats in the very same chapters?Well, you better start questioning a lot of profiles on this Wiki since multiple characters have gotten profiles out of one measly clash.
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That depends, do those characters have anti feats in the very same chapters?Well, you better start questioning a lot of profiles on this Wiki since multiple characters have gotten profiles out of one measly clash.
First of all, I don't see how anything I've said in this thread or the scaling thread makes me biased towards Lucci or that I'm scaling him out of spite, would appreciate if you dropped the baseless accusations just because you disagree with the scaling.To be fair Eminiteable is being a little biased here.
He's using one little clash to make a profile while everything else suggests that that clash was probably just an outlier.
Every other time, Lucci either failed to hit Luffy or failed to react to his attacks in time.
Even in the CRT for it they were blatantly ignoring and pushing aside my counter arguments as to why Lucci isn't H6A so yeah, I think this is probably just being added out of bias and spite and should be removed, we practically have no evidence for it anyway.
Sentomaru's incapacitated at the end of the chapter and the Seraphims are under the control of the CP0, and it was all because of Lucci's attack on him. So that wasn't an anti-feat like you keep claiming.Kinemon and Guernica are also H6A iirc, and it's not like Kaidou didn't injure them badly.
So I don't know how this compares to Lucci, yes he had one clash but he also missed all his other shots on Luffy and couldn't even knock out Sentomaru who doesn't scale to H6A as far as we know. He also couldn't avoid any of Luffy's attacks. So yeah, I don't think he's H6A, we should wait.
Fr, you don't notice that Sentomaru's unconscious at the end of the chapter?That's not even mentioning the fact that Kaidou not killing Kinemon and Guernica is more of a stupid plot moment than an anti feat.
I've already questioned the AP/LS part of the clash.First of all, I don't see how anything I've said in this thread or the scaling thread makes me biased towards Lucci or that I'm scaling him out of spite, would appreciate if you dropped the baseless accusations just because you disagree with the scaling.
You've claimed the clash (AP) is an outlier but your arguments for that all involve speed scaling (Which I already covered in the scaling thread and even this thread involving the new content) and have nothing to do with AP, so I'm struggling to see what Anti-feats there are for his AP. I never ignored your arguments, I responded to them and explained why your interpretation of events was false in the thread. Others in the thread also responded to your counter-arguments.
There's plenty of evidence for his current scaling and even more now after this chapter. When the official release drops I'll make a follow-up thread that tackles the events of this chapter for his profile.
Yeah and Kaku was literally sitting on him the next time we see him. It's pretty obvious what happened.Sentomaru's incapacitated at the end of the chapter and the Seraphims are under the control of the CP0, and it was all because of Lucci's attack on him. So that wasn't an anti-feat like you keep claiming.
Or he just succumbed to his injures from Lucci's attack.Yeah and Kaku was literally sitting on him the next time we see him. It's pretty obvious what happened.
1: Lucci jumps at him
2: Sentomaru sees him and tries to block
3: This is the fuzziest part- It's either that Lucci got through his guard or went around with Soru. Either way, he dispatches him with Hand Gun.
4: Sentomaru coughs blood, and kneels for a moment.
5: Luffy claps Lucci for him
6: Sentomaru tells Luffy to leave him and go save Vegapunk while he lies there.
7: The other CP0 agents come and they knock him out for Lucci and regroup.
I believe the majority of this was already covered by other users in the scaling thread, I'm not going to drag this back up and derail the chapter thread further with a large debate regarding scaling solely based on a past chapter.I've already questioned the AP/LS part of the clash.
If the justification is that G5 Luffy with Armament is H6A, then I simply ask how and why?
Let's say Oda claims that G5 is somewhat stronger than G4. That doesn't make it H6A automatically. Because it's nonsensical to think that Luffy, without even increasing his muscles or using his toon force powers like he did with Kaidou, is instantly H6A with G5 because it's supposedly above certain G4 attacks.
So we literally have 0 feats with this specific version of Luffy ( him using G5 but none of the actual amps, mixed with basic Armament ) to say that he scales that high, so the same is for Lucci.
And about his LS- Sure, it can be Class P for lifting Bajrang Gun, but we can not say that he was putting the same amount of effort in against Lucci here.
One was him lifting a huge Island Sized fist, to take down Kaidou, who mind you is definitely a bigger threat than Lucci by the fact that Luffy used that gigantic fist in the first place.
The other is him using basic Haki and "base" G5 against Lucci, who as far as he knows is not as big of a problem as Kaidou. So why would he be putting as much effort into pushing Lucci and he did with swinging BG?
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Same though. Might be one of the bigger buster calls since he summoned a large amount of warships. I'm just worried Buster Call might destroy Vegapunk's brain- he's reckless to move around while having his brain stored almost out in the open unless he can teleport it (since we saw him teleport himself)Yeah, I was thinking Kizaru was coming with a Buster Call too.
If that's what it is, Robin's reaction to it will be interesting
Makes me wonder why didn't he mainpulate the Bolo Breath directly, that thing burned him pitch black twiceLuffy gonna repel/bounce back buster call or manipulate Kizaru's light pretty please
Luffy gonna make kizaru light into rubberLuffy gonna repel/bounce back buster call or manipulate Kizaru's light pretty please
I mean, the fact that Kaku was seen standing on him and talking about him sort of implied that Kaku knocked him out.Or he just succumbed to his injures from Lucci's attack.
But that could've happened after he passed outI mean, the fact that Kaku was seen standing on him and talking about him sort of implied that Kaku knocked him out.
Kaido's haki probably? Or the same reason he wasn't making goggles and whatnot. Just less mastery overall, he barely had the time to think up names for attacksMakes me wonder why didn't he mainpulate the Bolo Breath directly, that thing burned him pitch black twice
It was revealed in a canon backstory for the movie that he was a rival to Roger and it required Garp and Sengoku to jump him and imprison him.Lol are we using Shiki movie feats to scale every top tier to High 6A now?
What happened to movies not being canon to the main series lmao
And the same Shiki got destroyed by pre ts G3 Luffy, so guess pre TS Luffy is also High 6A.
This sounds like selectively picking what is and what isn't canon tbhIt was revealed in a canon backstory for the movie that he was a rival to Roger and it required Garp and Sengoku to jump him and imprison him.
He then escaped prison, being the only person besides Luffy to ever break in and out of prison.
So yeah, he's H6A, though him losing to pre ts Luffy was a non-canon outlier.
What H6A Feat? All I know is that he fought Roger, Sengoku and Garp.This sounds like selectively picking what is and what isn't canon tbh
Just because Shiki is a canon character and his backstory is canon, doesn't make the movie itself canon lol.
If him losing to pre TS Luffy isn't canon, why should his movie feat be considered canon in the first place then?
Him being a rival to Roger also doesn't automatically mean he is High 6-A since the High 6-A feat is from movie Shiki in the first place that isn't canon, making this a circular argument.
And how does that make him H6A?What H6A Feat? All I know is that he fought Roger, Sengoku and Garp.
I ask again what feat because I literally didn't watch the movie I just heard about "Chapter 0" that explains his backstory and history with Roger.And how does that make him H6A?
If I am not mistaken, Shiki's movie feat is the reason every top tier scales to High 6-A now, not the other way round.
Some water calcs from the non-canon movie itself.I ask again what feat because I literally didn't watch the movie I just heard about "Chapter 0" that explains his backstory and history with Roger.
Ah, so you're saying that they're scaling the top tiers off of a feat from a non-canon movie? Weird.Some water calcs from the non-canon movie itself.
These are the calcs I think.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KingTempest16/Shiki's_Merville_Feats
You're right, and it is a problem. Very arbitrary demarcation of canon vs non-canonSome water calcs from the non-canon movie itself.
If the movie is canon, as the thread suggests, then pre-TS Gear 3rd Luffy should also be HIgh 6-AKing made a whole thread discussing why Strong World is canon: https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-strong-world-canonicity.134182/
So Luffy's feats against Shiki - outlierThat was brought up in the thread and was agreed that all of Luffy's feats against Shiki are outliers.
Shiki performed the High 6-A feat within the film's events, not in the flashbackEither an outlier or Shiki just got really washed up