Nikke: Goddess of Victory General Discussion Thread (Reborn)

Time has passed since the last thread and since then the game has improved in large margin, alongside the many feats that we got from the stories, so it's time to bring this back once again:
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Without any further, let's start the discussion!

 

[Tyranno223]

Nice! Be happy to help out!

Don't really know how much has been done so far, but at the very least characters have supersonic combat and reaction in the upper tiers.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Heya, glad to see more Nikke enjoyers here. I haven't touched the game for a while now, but I still follow the lore and stuff sometimes.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Following!

Edit: While my knowhow of this verse is pretty barebones, I, if provided video and context, possibly can calc out feats.

 

[Bummel]

Red hood solos i reckon

 

[Deidalius]

What is the strongest Gacha verse

 

[Vietthai96]

What is the strongest Gacha verse

Honkai verse

 

[Tyranno223]

Red hood solos i reckon

Lilith sweep.

 

[Tyranno223]

Honkai verse

Fate's biggest thing is FGO, so if you count Nasuverse, they would be it.

 

[Bummel]

Lilith sweep.

Playable lilith wheeeeen

 

[Bummel]

Fate's biggest thing is FGO, so if you count Nasuverse, they would be it.

Yeah or probably SMT gacha i guess

 

[Deidalius]

And other than gacha based on pre existing franchises and Honkai. What are the other strong gacha games?

 

[Vietthai96]

ngl, only Honkai and FGO are strong, eh, Dragon Ball have two gacha games if i'm not wrong, Dokkan Battle and Legend

Edit: There are a gacha SMT game, but lol, not really well-known

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Playable lilith wheeeeen

Heretict Cinderella first pls

 

[Vietthai96]

Lilith not gonna be playable soon, the way they develop her

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I don't think we're getting Lilith anytime soon (probably drop her in another big anniversary), and besides, going off of the Red Hood event, Lilith seemingly fights barehanded, so unless they do something similar to Scarlet and make her punch in the enemies direction and harm them like that, I don't see her being playable.

 

[Tyranno223]

I don't we're getting Lilith anytime soon (probably drop her in another big anniversary), and besides, going off of the Red Hood event, Lilith seemingly fights barehanded, so unless they do something similar to Scarlet and make her punch in the enemies direction and harm them like that, I don't see her being playable.

Might be goofy, but maybe air punches? We see her slice a rapture in half with a slash, so maybe something with that.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Might be goofy, but maybe air punches? We see her slice a rapture in half with a slash, so maybe something with that.

Very possible honestly, would look weird though. Lilith having OFA is crazy lol.

 

[Tyranno223]

Very possible honestly, would look weird though. Lilith having OFA is crazy lol.

We have Japanese All Might, American All Might, now British All Might.

 

[Deidalius]

Last question, how strong is the Nikke verse?

 

[Tyranno223]

Last question, how strong is the Nikke verse?

A rapture was supposedly able to absorb the energy of a nuke and reverse it in Red Ash's dialogue. Though it did break shortly afterwards.

Abnormals and Heretics should be above that. Modernia reacts to a supersonic throw from Rapi (who was tapping into a power boost).

On the lower ends, I'm not sure.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Last question, how strong is the Nikke verse?

Like the characters? Well, from what I've seen and remember, it's anywhere from Tier 9 to Tier 8 (maybe some heretics or Raptures have some crazy Tier 7 feats I don't know or remember) for ap, and speed wise Speed of Sound or above combat speed is treated as something insane.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

A rapture was supposedly able to absorb the energy of a nuke and reverse it in Red Ash's dialogue. Though it did break shortly afterwards.

Abnormals and Heretics should be above that. Modernia reacts to a supersonic throw from Rapi (who was tapping into a power boost).

On the lower ends, I'm not sure.

It absorbed an ICBM and converted the energy into a beam that vaporized everything in 20 kilometers (I forgor if radius or diameter ). Is there something stating that Heretics should be above that?

The super sonic throw could be good for LS depending on what she threw.

 

[Vietthai96]

Last question, how strong is the Nikke verse?

Not really strong, some supersonic feat from Rapi Red Hood mode boost, which is stated to have power boost surprise even Heretic like Modernia and Indivilia, so pretty much Red Hood mode Rapi is top tier of the verse, along with Goddess Squad members, Lilith is on her own tier probably, god tier. Still top tier Rapture is actually more durable since it is implied that Goddess Squad take great effort to bring them down

 

[Vietthai96]

Is there something stating that Heretics should be above that?

No, Rapture generally above Nikke, we don't know about the Queen though

 

[Tyranno223]

It absorbed an ICBM and converted the energy into a beam that vaporized everything in 20 kilometers (I forgor if radius or diameter ). Is there something stating that Heretics should be above that?

The super sonic throw could be good for LS depending on what she threw.

I'm assuming since Heretics are meant to be the most powerful beings the raptures have thus far.

 

[Tyranno223]

No, Rapture generally above Nikke, we don't know about the Queen though

Heretics are above all raptures we've seen so far. Even Chattermouth was a pet to Nihilster.

Also, higher end Nikkes (like Matis) can destroy groups of raptures with relative ease. Laplace wiping out a small army on her own.

It's only the mass produced and weaker Nikkes that really struggle with one or two raptures.

 

[Vietthai96]

Heretics are above all raptures we've seen so far. Even Chattermouth was a pet to Nihilster.

There are strong Rapture which even Goddess Squad take time to took them down, like the Ultra which is prototype for Blacksmith, and Chatterbox isn't even top tier in the verse, let alone god tier

 

[Tyranno223]

There are strong Rapture which even Goddess Squad take time to took them down, like the Ultra which is prototype for Blacksmith, and Chatterbox isn't even top tier in the verse, let alone god tier

The Goddess Squad are all (minus Lilith) individually inferior to Heretics. Even so, they are comparable to both said Raptures and Heretics by virtue of keeping up with them.

Regardless, I was talking about Heretics, not Goddess Squad

Chatterbox is pretty high end for raptures.

 

[Dereck03]

My 230 Red Hood solos every rapture.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I'm assuming since Heretics are meant to be the most powerful beings the raptures have thus far.

Sure, but I'm not sure scaling them to that is accurate because it's not a normal attack from the Rapture, it converted the energy from an existing weapon into an attack.

It would be like if character A were Low 7-C and used a special technique to counter a 7-B attack, and then scaling Character B above the 7-B attack because they're stronger than Character A even though Character A just transformed the existing 7-B attack into a different attack. And even though the Rapture converted the energy of a ICBM into a beam, it was done through technology and not a universal energy source (like Ki) and so can't be scaled to the raptures physicals (heck it destroyed the rapture afterwards).

What I'm getting at is that scaling the Heretics to the energy beam would require a crap ton of assumptions without a direct comparisons.

 

[Tyranno223]

Sure, but I'm not sure scaling them to that is accurate because it's not a normal attack from the Rapture, it converted the energy from an existing weapon into an attack.

It would be like if character A were Low 7-C and used a special technique to counter a 7-B attack, and then scaling Character B above the 7-B attack because they're stronger than Character A even though Character A just transformed the existing 7-B attack into a different attack. And even though the Rapture converted the energy of a ICBM into a beam, it was done through technology and not a universal energy source (like Ki) and so can't be scaled to the raptures physicals (heck it destroyed the rapture afterwards).

What I'm getting at is that scaling the Heretics to the energy beam would require a crap ton of assumptions without a direct comparisons.

Oh, I was just using that as a possible high end for the energy they can take. I wouldn't use that as a solid rating anyway since said rapture fell apart immediately after.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

While physically there is a difference between Goddess Squad level peeps and Heretics level peeps, that gap is crossed by their weapons and equipment. Outside of a few exceptions (Like Red Hood Rapi and Lilith), a Nikke's weapons and equipment tend to be significantly stronger than their physicals.

 

[Tyranno223]

While physically there is a difference between Goddess Squad level peeps and Heretics level peeps, that gap is crossed by their weapons and equipment. Outside of a few exceptions (Like Red Hood Rapi and Lilith), a Nikke's weapons and equipment tend to be significantly stronger than their physicals.

Red Hood herself is pretty scrappy. Physically tore apart raptures and did work against Cinderella. Scarlet too as a melee fighter.

But yeah, their weapons do most of the work. Laplace Kamehamehas a small army of raptures for example.

Not sure what physicals Nikkes on average get. Alice takes no damage from a (scumbag) human striking her with a bat. Snow White tanks several blows from Modernia who can catch a Nikke bullet between her teeth. Guilty I know does stuff, but I haven't finished her story yet. Laplace is the strongest in the Ark, physically speaking, I believe.

For power, I believe it goes something like

Lilith > Heretics > Grimms/Fairy Tale Models > Nikkes > Mass-Produced Nikkes.

Outliers exist like Rapi and Scarlet of course.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Also, how would we handle Lilith believing herself to be possibly below Cinderella and Snow White stating that Lilith is > all other Nikke's?

I'm not sure how to the first would work since Cinderella fights with her weapons and not her physicals while Lilith is the opposite, so I'm guessing she means stronger as in pure fire power. As for the second statement, I think it applies up until Cinderella's creation since that statement was made by a super young Snow White from back during the war, so it's unlikely this statement should apply to modern Nikke's as well (although that wouldn't matter since Goddess Squad is pretty high up there in the verse lol).

 

[Tyranno223]

Also, how would we handle Lilith believing herself to be possibly below Cinderella and Snow White stating that Lilith is > all other Nikke's?

I'm not sure how to the first would work since Cinderella fights with her weapons and not her physicals while Lilith is the opposite, so I'm guessing she means stronger as in pure fire power. As for the second statement, I think it applies up until Cinderella's creation since that statement was made by a super young Snow White from back during the war, so it's unlikely this statement should apply to modern Nikke's as well (although that wouldn't matter since Goddess Squad is pretty high up there in the verse lol).

Lilith was confident she could win a fight against Cinderella (who was buffed as a Heretic Anachiro) if she had no one else around to be worried about. Goddess Squad ended up being a liability in that first fight since it's outright stated she was too concerned about them and wasted her power getting them to safety (and Lilith was already weakening at this point).

Yeah, Goddess Squad/Pilgrim/Pioneer Nikke are better than any non-Heretic Nikke.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Red Hood herself is pretty scrappy. Physically tore apart raptures and did work against Cinderella. Scarlet too as a melee fighter.

But yeah, their weapons do most of the work. Laplace Kamehamehas a small army of raptures for example.

Not sure what physicals Nikkes on average get. Alice takes no damage from a (scumbag) human striking her with a bat. Snow White tanks several blows from Modernia who can catch a Nikke bullet between her teeth. Guilty I know does stuff, but I haven't finished her story yet. Laplace is the strongest in the Ark, physically speaking, I believe.

For power, I believe it goes something like

Lilith > Heretics > Grimms/Fairy Tale Models > Nikkes > Mass-Produced Nikkes.

Outliers exist like Rapi and Scarlet of course.

Nikke's are definitely at bare minimum Low Tier 9 (like 9-C or 9-B) imo. Even the weakest Nikke's are capable of handling the recoil of a Nikke grade full auto pistol with no trouble, while the commander (fully stanced up and bracing himself while grappling the pistol with both hands) nearly dislocates his arm firing it only once.

 

[Vietthai96]

Scarlet is stated to receive upgrade iirc, i remember a phone discussion with in game character that Rapi possesses two cores, one is her and other is Red Hood, when Rapi active Red Hood mode, her body heat up at alarming rate but at the same time receive abnormal power up which surprise Dorothy and two Heretics, she casually crush Indivilia tentacles and throw it back. Anyway Goddess Squad power is extremely varies between member, Snow White have never been portrayed to be strong physically, but being weapon specialist, her Seven Dwarve is crazy powerful, then we have Lilith and Scarlet which pretty much do close physical combat, and i don't think weapon matter in Scarlet case, no matter how good it is, she need strength to cut through the Rapture

nearly dislocates his arm firing it only once.

And iirc, get throw back several meters after firing Snow White weapon

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Lilith was confident she could win a fight against Cinderella (who was buffed as a Heretic Anachiro) if she had no one else around to be worried about. Goddess Squad ended up being a liability in that first fight since it's outright stated she was too concerned about them and wasted her power getting them to safety (and Lilith was already weakening at this point).

Yeah, Goddess Squad/Pilgrim/Pioneer Nikke are better than any non-Heretic Nikke.

You right, just very weird of her to hype up Cinderella like that. Maybe it's that while Cinderella might be more powerful (in terms of destructive power), Lilith is better in everything else. Like Character A technically having more AP but Character B still definitively winning in the fight.

 

[Tyranno223]

You right, just very weird of her to hype up Cinderella like that. Maybe it's that while Cinderella might be more powerful (in terms of destructive power), Lilith is better in everything else. Like Character A technically having more AP but Character B still definitively winning in the fight.

I'd have to go over Red Ash's dialogue again, but I'm pretty sure it's confirmed Lilith is stronger, or at least heavily implied by Goddess Squad's discussion after the retreat from the Space Elevator.