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[Huesito88]

canon stage play get ready

I don't want it to be canon unless there's mana transfer preformed

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I don't want it to be canon unless there's mana transfer preformed

Jaguar Man x Me Mana Transfer

 

[Huesito88]

Jaguar Man x Me Mana Transfer

Live on stage?

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Live on stage?

For the whole world to see.

 

[Huesito88]

For the whole world to see.

Whom will play Jaguar man?

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Whom will play Jaguar man?

Me in a wig

 

[Huesito88]

Me in a wig

Going fully Greek I see

 

[KingNanaya]

I'm working on the Saga characters right now. So Phantom Snipers, Ninjas, Knights of Blood, Freedom Fighters, and Cross The Blaze. I'll do the story characters soon, but it's gonna be a while, since the new story chapters are bringing in the older sagas now, so their scaling is really important. I'll probably start drafting the story units once Holy Knight Roy drops on global.

back to this: I'm almost caught up with the story again. once I finish Central Iscator and Ryude Granza 2, I can start doing more with the profiles. Hopefully I can get the crossover profiles done too.

 

[KingNanaya]

Summer Fate Units drop on October 11 for Grand Summoners. Good luck on your pulls.

 

[Wankbreaker]

2002 trailer for the KNK drama CD

 

[KingNanaya]

Summer Fate Units drop on October 11 for Grand Summoners. Good luck on your pulls.

First banner is Illya and Luvia

 

[Wankbreaker]

Sometimes it pays to dig up old nasuverse sources from the early 2000s

for the story summary for remaining sense of pain here:

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Fujinos ability is called the “ultimate killing ability”

 

[TheSilverKing14]

Sometimes it pays to dig up old nasuverse sources from the early 2000s

for the story summary for remaining sense of pain here:

‹ó‚Ì‹«ŠE

Fujinos ability is called the “ultimate killing ability”

Yet another pitiful attempt to wank proto Sakura …….

 

[Huesito88]

Yet another pitiful attempt to wank proto Sakura …….

Do you not like Fujino also?

 

[Wankbreaker]

Yet another pitiful attempt to wank proto Sakura …….

succesful*

blame the novel, not me.

"Touko, she came up with clairvoyance in the end. She'll have a ridiculous amount of power if you leave her be."

"Clairvoyance, huh? Certainly, if you add that to her power, she'll be invincible. She would be able to make a fulcrum even if you are hiding... Huh? If you leave her be...?"

Shiki did get away. But Fujino saw Shiki's left arm until the end. She did see Shiki's leather jacket twist. Shiki's left arm cannot be used anymore. Fujino realizes...

"I am...... stronger."

"beats archetype earth" but cant succesfully tag a normal girl

Fujino hesitates a bit and then bends. With a cracking sound, Shiki's left arm breaks. Her neck is next; but when Fujino looks... Shiki is already within range. The path that the knife takes is like a flash of light. A bright swing that leaves a lingering trace in the darkness. The knife that strikes without hesitation, however, does not hit Fujino. She ducks, avoiding the swing that was aimed at her neck... no, it was just an accident. Asagami Fujino only looked away because she was scared of Shiki, who was running towards her with a broken arm.

Shiki concentrates. Asagami Fujino is a strong enemy that might be the best she'll ever meet. One mistake could cost her her life. That is pleasant, that makes Shiki feel that she is alive. For Shiki, normally bound by her past, only this moment is real. This sensation that she is able to feel only when putting her life in danger. That small life of hers that she can declare as her own. Kill or be killed. Since even her normal life is vague, Shiki can feel life only by such primal methods as this. If Asagami Fujino seeks pleasure in murder... Ryougi Shiki seeks the sensation of life by relating with murder. Fujino fears this situation.... and Shiki wishes for this situation. That is the difference between the hunter and the hunted. The difference between the two is definite now.

Darkness engulfs the parking lot. Visibility is bad, making it hard to walk. It feels like being in a miniature town. The metal poles and the stacks of materials are arranged like buildings. A few minutes after following Shiki down here, Fujino regrets choosing this place as the battleground. Her ability has to have the target in her vision to set the fulcrum of the twist. Even if Fujino knows that Shiki is hiding behind a metal pole, if she cannot see Shiki, then only the pole can be twisted. In that slight instant on top of the bridge, Shiki understood Fujino's power. That is why she ran away, here, the place where she has a chance of winning. ...Fujino realizes how inferior she is at fighting. But still...... She is stronger in terms of power. If she cannot see, she'll just have to destroy everything blocking her view. Fujino takes every metallic pole that might get in her way and bends them. As she twists each one, the pain in her stomach gets worse and the shaking in the parking lot gets harder.

"You really are ridiculous."

all of these weaknesses are gone when she gets her clairvoyance, btw. forget archetype earth, get any ryougi past fujino.

when FUJINO is your highest tier of power, it makes 0 sense why people think any knk character is close to the top of the nasuverse

 

[TheSilverKing14]

Do you not like Fujino also?

Why would I like ******* Bernkastal? She’s a poorly written and more hypocritical version of Bernkastal from Umineko Project.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Why would I like ******* Bernkastal? She’s a poorly written and more hypocritical version of Bernkastal from Umineko Project.

ryougi is still a fujino victim.

 

[Tdjwo]

I can swear some people haven't even touched a KnK novel before making weird claims.

 

[Wankbreaker]

I can swear some people haven't even touched a KnK novel before making weird claims.

I quoted the relevant excerpts from the novel, ryougi had to move to a location with a bunch of obstacles in order to stand a chance of winning.
Would have twisted her neck and killed ryougi if it wasn’t for fujino hesitating and breaking her line of sight (something she overcame post volume 3,she doesn’t rely on sight anymore)

Her being called stronger 2 seperate times in the novel, and being called “possibly the greatest enemy ryougi would ever fight”

Her ability being called the most capable in the entire story by the special KNK pamphlet…. And the official KNK homepage calling her ability the “ultimate killing ability.”

Ryougi even calls the combination of her clairvoyance and eyes “ridiculous”, and Touko calls it invincible.

but again, please keep thinking ryougi can beat archetype earth when fujino can dodge her attacks, azaka can overpower her with no room to dodge, and she at her strongest gets crushed by attacks hyped to destroy trees and concrete in part 5

 

[Nightshade]

succesful*

blame the novel, not me.





"beats archetype earth" but cant succesfully tag a normal girl

Sorry but in the novel, shiki was been wary of Fujino's ability and how the ability gives fujino an advantage in close combat. You even posted the scan of shiki being "better" in combat which would be inclusive of speed.

all of these weaknesses are gone when she gets her clairvoyance, btw. forget archetype earth, get any ryougi past fujino.

when FUJINO is your highest tier of power, it makes 0 sense why people think any knk character is close to the top of the nasuverse

I feel like you don't really mean the things you post but just want to anger Shiki fans, cause most of these claims are really things that are cleared up in knk. You're both nitpicking the parts of the novel that support your agenda and also giving a very false interpretation of what the source material says.

 

[KingNanaya]

First banner is Illya and Luvia

Banner is live now.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Sorry but in the novel, shiki was been wary of Fujino's ability and how the ability gives fujino an advantage in close combat. You even posted the scan of shiki being "better" in combat which would be inclusive of speed.

Thanks for proving my point? Fujino's ability is better than shiki's.

also, no. Ryougi is just physically stronger

Shiki starts to run. Her speed is incredible, despite the pooling water and violent wind. It should not take more than three seconds to reduce the distance between them from ten meters to zero. Enough time to bring Fujino's frail body to the ground and stab her in her heart. But even that speed cannot match the speed of sight.

Her distortions are faster at the end of chap 3, as she doesnt rely on sight anymore.

I feel like you don't really mean the things you post but just want to anger Shiki fans, cause most of these claims are really things that are cleared up in knk. You're both nitpicking the parts of the novel that support your agenda and also giving a very false interpretation of what the source material says.

"nitpicking"

"なつかしい夏の雨の中、両儀式は最高の殺害能力を持つ少女と衝突する事となる。"

"In the nostalgic summer rain, Shiki Ryougi comes into conflict with a girl possessing the highest killing ability."

can either be translated as "highest" or "ultimate", pick your poison.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

This whole conflict is solved by Shiki getting stronger after the events of The Garden of Sinners.

 

[TheSilverKing14]

This whole conflict is solved by Shiki getting stronger after the events of The Garden of Sinners.

Shiki even when holding back is above some overrated hack like Fujino (aka worse bernkastel from Umineko)
Look at This and This and tell me the two aren't alike

 

[Huesito88]

Shiki even when holding back is above some overrated hack like Fujino (aka worse bernkastel from Umineko)
Look at This and This and tell me the two aren't alike

I haven't done the math but did Fujino or Bernkastel come first?

 

[TheSilverKing14]

I haven't done the math but did Fujino or Bernkastel come first?

Fujino she came first but she's less compelling and more shallow character compared to german/deusch girl.

 

[Wankbreaker]

This whole conflict is solved by Shiki getting stronger after the events of The Garden of Sinners.

Is there any evidence of this besides the mahoyo event?

Also, so has Fujino.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Shiki even when holding back is above some overrated hack like Fujino (aka worse bernkastel from Umineko)
Look at This and This and tell me the two aren't alike

Araya asks Shiki if she was holding back and she shakes her head. The narrator even says she never holds back, no matter what weapon she uses.

Like how you also ignored all the conditions that led her to win anyway, most of them exploiting a weakness she no longer even has. She would have twisted Shiki’s neck off if she didn’t hesitate.

 

[Huesito88]

Fujino she came first but she's less compelling and more shallow character compared to german/deusch girl.

 

[TheSilverKing14]

Bernkastal to Asagami

 

[Wankbreaker]

does furude rika not exist anymore

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

ryougi is still a fujino victim.

canon matchup...

 

[Wankbreaker]

canon matchup...

Gotta bring back the people who think base ryougi can beat archetype earth back to reality

 

[Nightshade]

Thanks for proving my point? Fujino's ability is better than shiki's.

Fujino's ability work faster and do not require her to get close enough to kill someone. In terms of which would be more suitable to kill someone, fujino's would be considered superior. So I still don't understand how this is substantiating on your point of her being overall superior to Shiki.

also, no. Ryougi is just physically stronger

Yes that's the main point. That's just what I said

Her distortions are faster at the end of chap 3, as she doesnt rely on sight anymore.

This would further substantiate on my point of Fujino ability being better in terms of which has better efficiency for killing. You don't seem to understand the things you send, or like I said earlier you choose to misinterpret them

"nitpicking"

can either be translated as "highest" or "ultimate", pick your poison.

Still supports my point and what I said, you're helping my stance of fujino having an ability for suitable for killing, which would not grant her superiority over shiki physically or combat wise which I presume is your premise.

 

[Nightshade]

In that brief clash on the bridge, Shiki had already read Fujino’s spell, and withdrew to a place where she could have a fighting chance. It makes Fujino realize how disadvantaged she is in fighting.

Fujino accepting she's at a disadvantage in a real fight when Shiki read how her spell works

a strangely gratifying sensation. Keep it up Asagami! You’ve been handling this fight like a pro so far, thinks Shiki. Then again, that sensation just might be her consciousness slipping due to rapid blood loss.

“Another dance, then,” Shiki whispers again. “But this time, with my Eyes seeing the strings in your special effects magic.” Shaking her head to bring back some bit of the consciousness she’s already lost with the blood, Shiki stands up. Her right hand holds the knife with a firm grip.

When Shiki's arm was torn by Fujino as you posted, it was later stated that she was not using her mystic eyes and was merely enjoying the fight.

Her vision begins to distort. She wills one axis of rotation each for Shiki’s head and legs, and bends. Like cheap cloth, Shiki’s body is torn apart into so many bits and pieces. Or at least, it was supposed to be. Before any such damage could be dealt, Shiki raises her right arm, and with a single slash, excises Fujino’s “distortion.” The points of rotation Fujino had created are warded away by the knife, dying as easily as any living being.

Shiki then activated her mystic eyes and was able to trace Fujino's ability easily and it could not pose a threat to her anymore. Tdjwo did recommend that you should read knk before trying to shit on shiki. And yes Shiki beat Archetype earth in MBAA
Damn Nasuverse arguments are so stressful.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Fujino accepting she's at a disadvantage in a real fight when Shiki read how her spell works


When Shiki's arm was torn by Fujino as you posted, it was later stated that she was not using her mystic eyes and was merely enjoying the fight.

Shiki then activated her mystic eyes and was able to trace Fujino's ability easily and it could not pose a threat to her anymore. Tdjwo did recommend that you should read knk before trying to shit on shiki. And yes Shiki beat Archetype earth in MBAA
Damn Nasuverse arguments are so stressful.

Cokesakto.

This translation adds text and such that doesn’t exist. Just look at the BL forums for detailed information on why the guy’s translation is extremely unreliable.

But regardless, here’s the full paragraph.

understood Fujino's power. That is why she ran away, here, the place where she has a chance of winning. ...Fujino realizes how inferior she is at fighting. But still...... She is stronger in terms of power. If she cannot see, she'll just have to destroy everything blocking her view. Fujino takes every metallic pole that might get in her way and bends them. As she twists each one, the pain in her stomach gets worse and the shaking in the parking lot gets harder.

Shiki runs away to a location with a ton of obstacles, to obscure her line of vision. But im not sure if you’ve figured this out….but she lacks this weakness now.
Your second point just straight up doesn’t exist, as that is not what the text says.
Just classic “cokesakto adding stuff that doesn’t exist in the OG text”

"You're great, Asagami. You're the best...!"

She is losing blood quickly. She feels her consciousness slipping away.

...I'm hot-blooded anyway. If I lose some, it will just make me think more clearly...

Shiki concentrates. Asagami Fujino is a strong enemy that might be the best she'll ever meet. One mistake could cost her her life. That is pleasant, that makes Shiki feel that she is alive. For Shiki, normally bound by her past, only this moment is real. This sensation that she is able to feel only when putting her life in danger. That small life of hers that she can declare as her own. Kill or be killed. Since even her normal life is vague, Shiki can feel life only by such primal methods as this. If Asagami Fujino seeks pleasure in murder... Ryougi Shiki seeks the sensation of life by relating with murder. Fujino fears this situation.... and Shiki wishes for this situation. That is the difference between the hunter and the hunted. The difference between the two is definite now.

... Fujino's breathing echoes in the air. ... Roughly, strongly, painfully, as if in fear...

She is breathing hard, like Shiki, even though she has not been hurt yet. In the dark, they breathe in unison. Are their heartbeats, minds, and even their lives the same? The bridge swinging in the storm feels like a crib. Shiki, for the first time, feels some affection toward Fujino. So much that she feels she must take Fujino's life with her own hands.

"Let's go. I can see the trick to your magic show now."

After shaking her head clear of the effect of the blood loss, Shiki gets up. She grips her knife tightly in her right hand. If Fujino does not lay her own boundary... then she will just have to eliminate her.

Yes, because fujinos ability still relied on sight. Its speed was limited to her sight. Now it isn’t. Ryougi was having extreme trouble dodging them before, as they were faster.

Additionally to the faster distortions, fujino could just:
Twist the knife.
Target Ryougi’s internals

The faster distortions just outspeed her.

I find it ironic that you’re telling me to read KNK, when you’re peddling the “base beat archetype earth bro!!!” Agenda.

Ryougi:
Fujino is able to dodge her
Gets overpowered by Azaka and bruised by her. Ryougi admits to being unable to dodge the attack.
Hits with “the force of a cannon shell”
Sealing her in concrete would be enough to restrain her
While using self suggestion:
Bones crack when getting hit with attacks hyped to shatter concrete and fell trees.
Gets injured falling like 20 floors down iirc. This was with Arayas barriers acting as shock absorption.

Let’s see how the MEODP works against ultimate ones, shall we?

ちなみに直死の魔眼ではコイツは殺せません。 死の概念がないので物理的に破壊するしかないのである。

"By the way, you can't kill this guy with the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception. Since there is no concept of death, you have no choice but to physically destroy it."

な——死が視えないどころじゃない。死そのものがない。

"Oh—it's not just that I can't see her death. There is no such thing as death itself here."

 

[Nightshade]

This translation adds text and such that doesn’t exist. Just look at the BL forums for detailed information on why the guy’s translation is extremely unreliable.

But regardless, here’s the full paragraph.

That paragraph doesn't disprove what I said in the slightest. It's literally the same thing with my stance.

Shiki runs away to a location with a ton of obstacles, to obscure her line of vision. But im not sure if you’ve figured this out….but she lacks this weakness now.
Your second point just straight up doesn’t exist, as that is not what the text says.
Just classic “cokesakto adding stuff that doesn’t exist in the OG text”

What weakness? That she needs sight to activate her power? Lol that doesn't place her above shiki given that shiki can see her powers and cut them before they can hit her.
My second point is based on the fact shiki was enjoying the fight knowing fully well that her ability is very detrimental in that fight. It's like what you posted that her ability is more efficient in killing which shiki was wary off. Fujino accepted that she was inferior to shiki in terms of physical combat but only had an advantage due to her abilities, which that advantage is dead now that shiki can see and cut her spell.

Yes, because fujinos ability still relied on sight. Its speed was limited to her sight. Now it isn’t. Ryougi was having extreme trouble dodging them before, as they were faster.

How would the speed be limited when the activation of the spell takes place the moment she sees her target. Not relying on sight doesn't increase the speed except you have further evidence to substantiate on it being faster.

Additionally to the faster distortions, fujino could just:
Twist the knife.
Target Ryougi’s internals

Already disproved given that she can see the spell and cut it.

The faster distortions just outspeed her.

Scans of faster distortions

I find it ironic that you’re telling me to read KNK, when you’re peddling the “base beat archetype earth bro!!!” Agenda

I'm not defending any agenda, just addressing your hatred for shiki.

.

Ryougi:
Fujino is able to dodge her

It was stated that she got lucky when she dodged her first attack and shiki said she made a miscalculation in her attack. How would suggest she can react to shiki when Fujino accepts inferiority to Shiki physically?

Gets overpowered by Azaka and bruised by her. Ryougi admits to being unable to dodge the attack.

The only encounter I remember where azaka overpowered Shiki was when she took away that knife in Shiki's pocket, and if that's what you're using then honestly I don't think anyone should take you seriously partaking to anything nasuverse

Hits with “the force of a cannon shell”
Sealing her in concrete would be enough to restrain her

??????? Araya sealing shiki in his building?

While using self suggestion:
Bones crack when getting hit with attacks hyped to shatter concrete and fell trees.
Gets injured falling like 20 floors down iirc. This was with Arayas barriers acting as shock absorption.

Why would you even think this would support any of your agendas

Let’s see how the MEODP works against ultimate ones, shall we?

ちなみに直死の魔眼ではコイツは殺せません。 死の概念がないので物理的に破壊するしかないのである。

"By the way, you can't kill this guy with the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception. Since there is no concept of death, you have no choice but to physically destroy it."

Where's this from, sorry for asking. Also where can I read Kajiri Kamui Kagure

な——死が視えないどころじゃない。死そのものがない。

"Oh—it's not just that I can't see her death. There is no such thing as death itself here."

You know after this she proceeded to actually beat Archetype earth, due to that being the prerequisite for shiki to leave.

 

[Wankbreaker]

That paragraph doesn't disprove what I said in the slightest. It's literally the same thing with my stance.

Your paragraph implies Shiki was purposefully not using her eyes and holding back. The chapter itself and chapter 5 disproves your point. Araya asks Shiki if she was holding back against fujino and she shook her head, the narration saying that she’s always serious, no matter what.

What weakness? That she needs sight to activate her power? Lol that doesn't place her above shiki given that shiki can see her powers and cut them before they can hit her.
My second point is based on the fact shiki was enjoying the fight knowing fully well that her ability is very detrimental in that fight. It's like what you posted that her ability is more efficient in killing which shiki was wary off. Fujino accepted that she was inferior to shiki in terms of physical combat but only had an advantage due to her abilities, which that advantage is dead now that shiki can see and cut her spell.

Shiki’s chances of winning were hinged on exploiting fujinos reliance of sight. That’s why she moved to an area with a bunch of visual obstacles, to “have a chance of winning”.

Fujino could have killed Shiki twice.
Once to twist her in a bunch of pieces if shiki didn’t cover her vision with her jacket

And again if she didn’t hesitate while dodging.

Shiki even admits that during the entire fight, if she made a single error, she would have died. She didn’t get to hit fujino once before her appendicitis became too much to bear.

Her enjoying it was BECAUSE she was constantly under threat of death.

How would the speed be limited when the activation of the spell takes place the moment she sees her target. Not relying on sight doesn't increase the speed except you have further evidence to substantiate on it being faster.

Fujinos speed before was limited to the speed of her sight. The novel reinforces this by saying the speed of fujinos sight was faster than Shiki. Now it isn’t. She was also crippled by her condition, it being one of the reasons she lost, as it progressed to a near fatal stage.

Already disproved given that she can see the spell and cut it.

Being able to react to her distortion a weakened state doesn’t equal that she can now. Touko, being fully aware of shikis MEODP, called the combination invincible.

There are literally several ways around this like:

Targeting ryougis legs, as she will have to bend down to reach and cut those lines,but she’ll be too slow.

Assault her with a barrage of distortions.

Distort the knife to knock it away or render it unusable.

Bend everything in the surroundings, including the ground under her if possible.

Target her internal organs.

Scans of faster distortions

I'm not defending any agenda, just addressing your hatred for shiki.

I don’t have a hatred of Shiki, I just don’t like when people pretend like she’s some top tier. It’s okay for your favorite character to not be at the top. I like Aoko and Alice Kuonji, doesn’t mean I think they’re super god tiers.

It was stated that she got lucky when she dodged her first attack and shiki said she made a miscalculation in her attack. How would suggest she can react to shiki when Fujino accepts inferiority to Shiki physically?

Again, stop using that translation, there are a myriad of errors. Even google translate does this better.

The fact that she dodged Shikis attack, even as she got caught by suprise.

The only encounter I remember where azaka overpowered Shiki was when she took away that knife in Shiki's pocket, and if that's what you're using then honestly I don't think anyone should take you seriously partaking to anything nasuverse

Yep, here’s the scene. Cope about it I guess?

"No way. I don't care if it doesn't have an edge. Once any knife gets in your hands, it becomes as deadly as an expanding bullet. I can't have another death at the academy." "What's the big deal now? There've already been two. We're way past worrying about stuff like that now, aren't we?" "No. Murder and accidental deaths are entirely different. Now, hurry up and hand it over. Our job is to investigate the cause, not solve it." "Liar. You're clearly itching to." Determined not to give up the knife, I glared back at Azaka as she approached. I wasn't carrying it around just for fun. I hadn't told her about it, but I had a strange feeling when I woke up this morning. Something had assimilated with my consciousness while I was asleep, though I wasn't sure if it was a fairy or not. But if it dared come back again, I wasn't letting it get away. That's why I needed the knife as a weapon. Besides, I liked the intricate design of the Reien tableware. I intended to keep it as a souvenir when I returned home. As I remained silent, Azaka had closed the distance even further. "You're not going to hand it over, are you?" "Oh, shut up. You're so annoyingly persistent. No wonder Mikiya keeps flaking on you." I flung the New Year's incident from a few days ago at her, which only made her even more angry. Big mistake. The emotion in her eyes drained away, like a tide going out. "Understood. Time for force."

Muttering those words in a chilling voice, she lunged at me. Stuck on the bed, I couldn't dodge her sudden attack. We ended up tangled together, crashing onto the mattress. In the end, Azaka managed to pry the knife away from me. Despite her cute looks, she was easily enraged. When she got really mad, she would go ballistic, like a wounded bear. Judging that words and counterattacks were pointless against this beast, I reluctantly handed over one of my hidden knives to end the silly scuffle. Azaka took the knife and walked over to her desk. I, on the other hand, remained lying on the bed. "You muscle head... Look at my arm, it's covered in bruises. What do you even eat?" "How rude. I only eat a modest amount of bread and fresh vegetables." Azaka didn't even turn around as she put the knife away in her desk drawer, locking it with a click. I sat up again on the bed, watching her back. Against my better judgement, I blurted out something that came to mind. "But I'm honestly surprised. I had no idea you were this athletic, Azaka. You could probably pin Mikiya down with ease." Her face turned bright red instantly. Even from behind, I could see the heat radiating from her ears. "W-W-W-What are you talking about?" she stammered, whipping around to face me. She was definitely blushing. "Nothing. Just an observation. No offence meant." The real issue was probably why the thought even popped into my head, but I decided not to overthink it. Azaka remained fixated on me, her blush lingering. I met her gaze with an almost indifferent expression.

Wasn’t in her pocket, she was holding it,btw

Ryougi: Says she doesn’t want to give up the knife, as she needed to protect herself and kill the fairy, and was determined to keep it. Mikiya even says that Shiki does not lend her knives to anyone in chap 5 and the only way Enjou could have gotten one of hers is if he stole it, since she is very protective of them.

Was unable to dodge Azaka’s first attack

words and any counterattack in this state were useless, said by ryougi herself.

bruised by Azaka afterwards.

??????? Araya sealing shiki in his building?

No, when shiki breaks out of Araya’s seal, Touko said that packing her in concrete would work far better.

Why would you even think this would support any of your agendas

Because her physicals are far below what it would take to even stand a semblance of a chance against AE, and we already know that the MEODP are useless against her.

Where's this from, sorry for asking. Also where can I read Kajiri Kamui Kagure

ORTs profile, Character Material.

You can either buy it, read a JP playthrough online, or torrent it on Nyaa. I honestly don’t recommend MTLing it, as it will make a bunch of errors.

You know after this she proceeded to actually beat Archetype earth, due to that being the prerequisite for shiki to leave.

Or…got killed. Thats also likely, considering that she logically has way inferior stats, and the MEODP are useless against her.

 

[Nightshade]

Your paragraph implies Shiki was purposefully not using her eyes and holding back. The chapter itself and chapter 5 disproves your point. Araya asks Shiki if she was holding back against fujino and she shook her head, the narration saying that she’s always serious, no matter what.

My paragraph implied that she was not fighting with her MEODP and thus gave Fujino the advantage at that point during the fight. If you've actually read Knk you would know the reapson she didn't use MEODP from the start was the fact that she stated verbatim "Things without form are hard to see but thanks to you using it multiple times I can see them now. Implying that her advantage is gone given that she can see her technique, Shiki stating she was fighting with caution given the detrimental situation of the fight and Fujino's ability.

Shiki’s chances of winning were hinged on exploiting fujinos reliance of sight. That’s why she moved to an area with a bunch of visual obstacles, to “have a chance of winning”.

She moved to those buildings cause she could not see or cut her spell. That disadvantage is gone given she can easily cut the spell now. Also scans of Fujino not requiring sight to activate her spell.

Fujino could have killed Shiki twice.
Once to twist her in a bunch of pieces if shiki didn’t cover her vision with her jacket

Refer to my earlier point of shiki not needing to do so anymore now she can cut the technique.

And again if she didn’t hesitate while dodging.

She can't dodge shiki's regular attacks and she accepting inferiority in physical combat cohere to that point. Shiki later stating she made miscalculations in her movement.

Shiki even admits that during the entire fight, if she made a single error, she would have died. She didn’t get to hit fujino once before her appendicitis became too much to bear.

Already answered this on multiple occasions. The context of Shiki stating she could've died at anytime is propounded on the efficacy of fujino's ability and how it's easier to kill and also based on Shiki jot being able to see her attack at that point. These have been addressed and the full context was given, stop omitting context everytime.

Her enjoying it was BECAUSE she was constantly under threat of death.

Fujinos speed before was limited to the speed of her sight. The novel reinforces this by saying the speed of fujinos sight was faster than Shiki. Now it isn’t. She was also crippled by her condition, it being one of the reasons she lost, as it progressed to a near fatal stage.

Where was it stated that the activation speed was dependent on sight, and explain how it not depending on sight would make it faster.
Also show the scans of her ability not requiring sight. That wasn't the reason she lost. She was simply inferior and only had an advantage due to the nature of her ability, which doesn't give her that advantage anymore.

Being able to react to her distortion a weakened state doesn’t equal that she can now. Touko, being fully aware of shikis MEODP, called the combination invincible.

There are literally several ways around this like:

Targeting ryougis legs, as she will have to bend down to reach and cut those lines,but she’ll be too slow.

How would she be too slow when she can see them and she reacted to multiple of the same attacks at once.

Assault her with a barrage of distortions.

She already did that and it didn't work

Distort the knife to knock it away or render it unusable.

Shiki reacts and cuts the s[ell, stop making baseles claims on things fujino have never been shown to be capable of doing. You seem to be assuming shiki is inferior without actually substantiating on why that's the case.

Bend everything in the surroundings, including the ground under her if possible.

She ******* destroyed the entire building and shiki still survived.

Target her internal organs.

Scans of Fujino being able to do this.

I don’t have a hatred of Shiki, I just don’t like when people pretend like she’s some top tier. It’s okay for your favorite character to not be at the top. I like Aoko and Alice Kuonji, doesn’t mean I think they’re super god tiers.

Pretty sure everyone who says shiki is top tier isn't based on the fact she's their favorite.

Again, stop using that translation, there are a myriad of errors. Even google translate does this better.

I used what you posted and wjat you said actually.

The fact that she dodged Shikis attack, even as she got caught by suprise.

You're just reiterating addressed points.

Yep, here’s the scene. Cope about it I guess?

I know the scene and hell no I'm gonna take that you actually believe that would help your agenda, cause right now it feels like you're just desperate.

Wasn’t in her pocket, she was holding it,btw

Welp this is the time I step away and allow someone else handle this, you can't be serious lol.

Ryougi: Says she doesn’t want to give up the knife, as she needed to protect herself and kill the fairy, and was determined to keep it. Mikiya even says that Shiki does not lend her knives to anyone in chap 5 and the only way Enjou could have gotten one of hers is if he stole it, since she is very protective of them.

Mikiya said she doesn't give 'HER' knives, not knives that she stole. Shiki was reluctant in giving the knife because she said it was a good knife and she wanted to keep it. Shiki already had her own knife to kill the faeries and did not need that one she stole.

Was unable to dodge Azaka’s first attack

There was no first attack as shiki was on her bed and Azaka climbed on top of her bed and proceeded to get on top of shiki, how would she dodge when she was laying down on A DAMN BED, why would you even think of using this.

words and any counterattack in this state were useless, said by ryougi herself.

bruised by Azaka afterwards.

What fan made version of knk did you read.

No, when shiki breaks out of Araya’s seal, Touko said that packing her in concrete would work far better.

You do remember why she said that and what she said afterwards right? Like I said earlier stop nitpicking things to support your agenda.

Because her physicals are far below what it would take to even stand a semblance of a chance against AE, and we already know that the MEODP are useless against her.

She doesn't need high physical strength to combat AE as the MEODP doesn't need physical ability to kill an object. A case example would be a physically inferior Tohno shiki killing Arc and Nrvnqsr. AE also stated that shiki was about to kill "that which cannot be killed". So yeah you get the point.

ORTs profile, Character Material.

You can either buy it, read a JP playthrough online, or torrent it on Nyaa. I honestly don’t recommend MTLing it, as it will make a bunch of errors.

Alright.

Or…got killed. Thats also likely, considering that she logically has way inferior stats, and the MEODP are useless against her.

Given the ending of every character in MBAA this scenerio is very unlikely

 

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My paragraph implied that she was not fighting with her MEODP and thus gave Fujino the advantage at that point during the fight. If you've actually read Knk you would know the reapson she didn't use MEODP from the start was the fact that she stated verbatim "Things without form are hard to see but thanks to you using it multiple times I can see them now. Implying that her advantage is gone given that she can see her technique, Shiki stating she was fighting with caution given the detrimental situation of the fight and Fujino's ability.

She moved to those buildings cause she could not see or cut her spell. That disadvantage is gone given she can easily cut the spell now. Also scans of Fujino not requiring sight to activate her spell.

Refer to my earlier point of shiki not needing to do so anymore now she can cut the technique.

She can't dodge shiki's regular attacks and she accepting inferiority in physical combat cohere to that point. Shiki later stating she made miscalculations in her movement.

Already answered this on multiple occasions. The context of Shiki stating she could've died at anytime is propounded on the efficacy of fujino's ability and how it's easier to kill and also based on Shiki jot being able to see her attack at that point. These have been addressed and the full context was given, stop omitting context everytime.



Where was it stated that the activation speed was dependent on sight, and explain how it not depending on sight would make it faster.
Also show the scans of her ability not requiring sight. That wasn't the reason she lost. She was simply inferior and only had an advantage due to the nature of her ability, which doesn't give her that advantage anymore.

How would she be too slow when she can see them and she reacted to multiple of the same attacks at once.

She already did that and it didn't work

Shiki reacts and cuts the s[ell, stop making baseles claims on things fujino have never been shown to be capable of doing. You seem to be assuming shiki is inferior without actually substantiating on why that's the case.

She ******* destroyed the entire building and shiki still survived.

Scans of Fujino being able to do this.

Pretty sure everyone who says shiki is top tier isn't based on the fact she's their favorite.

I used what you posted and wjat you said actually.

You're just reiterating addressed points.

I know the scene and hell no I'm gonna take that you actually believe that would help your agenda, cause right now it feels like you're just desperate.

Welp this is the time I step away and allow someone else handle this, you can't be serious lol.

Mikiya said she doesn't give 'HER' knives, not knives that she stole. Shiki was reluctant in giving the knife because she said it was a good knife and she wanted to keep it. Shiki already had her own knife to kill the faeries and did not need that one she stole.

There was no first attack as shiki was on her bed and Azaka climbed on top of her bed and proceeded to get on top of shiki, how would she dodge when she was laying down on A DAMN BED, why would you even think of using this.

What fan made version of knk did you read.

You do remember why she said that and what she said afterwards right? Like I said earlier stop nitpicking things to support your agenda.

She doesn't need high physical strength to combat AE as the MEODP doesn't need physical ability to kill an object. A case example would be a physically inferior Tohno shiki killing Arc and Nrvnqsr. AE also stated that shiki was about to kill "that which cannot be killed". So yeah you get the point.

Alright.

Given the ending of every character in MBAA this scenerio is very unlikely

Just a point, i do not think Tohno was physically inferior to Arc and NRVNQSR. Dude held down arcuied, and speed blitzed NRVNQSR and Akiha so fast that Akiha could not even track tohno's movements, and was stomping arcuied and NRVNQSR without MEODP in melty blood. In fact i would say he is stronger in Nanaya mode.