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[Synnian]

She did tie with him at some point, but I don't remember when.

What I'm talking about happens at the end of the Shimousa chapter.



Basically, Musashi and Kojiro do some dumb stuff.

This is entirely random, but I forgot that Mysterious Heroine X compares Musashi to Void Shiki (at least, in terms of the bad feeling she gives her) in Musashi's Trial Quest, which is kind of neat. It's not relevant, but I thought it was kind of funny, especially considering the, uh, "debate" that was going on earlier.



Her swords? Eh, I just thought it was neat.

She tied with Saber Diarmund, looked at PHH Yagyu and went "i am NOT beating that", and outright says that she's unable to really do much against people like Inshun due to a sheer skill-gap between them. While the ability is ABSURDLY BROKEN, it's based on a finite number of "possibilities" - aka, say, if they fought one billion times, and Musashi would only win one time out of that billion, Heavenly Eye would bring that part to light instead of the others where she loses.

I don't see how it's "even if she literally cannot win, she will win anyways". Her eyes are consistently portrayed to flat out not work against people who are ENOURMOUSLY stronger than her. A possibility needs to exist in the first place, hence how her ability is "one' and not "zero".

Her swords? Eh, I just thought it was neat.

Yeah they're neat. I was moreso talking about what I had said earlier in the comment, mb if it was confusing : D

 

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She tied with Saber Diarmund, looked at PHH Yagyu and went "i am NOT beating that", and outright says that she's unable to really do much against people like Inshun due to a sheer skill-gap between them.

To be fair, that was before Shimousa. She beat the same Yagyu in Shimousa, but he was stronger this time.

While the ability is ABSURDLY BROKEN, it's based on a finite number of "possibilities" - aka, say, if they fought one billion times, and Musashi would only win one time out of that billion, Heavenly Eye would bring that part to light instead of the others where she loses.

Miyamoto Musashi

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Scroll down to her in-game profile. I would've posted pictures from the game, but I don't know how to upload photos directly from my phone or computer to the forum.



This one is her profile from the FGO Material books.

Miyamoto Musashi (Berserker)

Miyamoto Musashi (Berserker) was available for summoning during the: She has the 5th highest ATK values out of all servants along with Sakata Kintoki. She shares the exact ATK and HP values at both minimum and maximum with Sakata Kintoki. After clearing Chapter 22 of Olympus Main Quest, Miyamoto...

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Here's her Summer form's stuff, if you want.

I don't see how it's "even if she literally cannot win, she will win anyways". Her eyes are consistently portrayed to flat out not work against people who are ENOURMOUSLY stronger than her. A possibility needs to exist in the first place, hence how her ability is "one' and not "zero".

She unlocks Zero at the end of Shimousa. I linked the scene above.

Yeah they're neat. I was moreso talking about what I had said earlier in the comment, mb if it was confusing : D

Oh, ok.

 

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FGO THE DRAMALOGUE -Avalon le Fae- has finally released in English.​

 

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Summer Tlaloc's expression sheet



Mysterious Heroine XX Alter's expression sheet



BB Dubai's expression sheet (of the Ascensions available right now)

 

[Synnian]

To be fair, that was before Shimousa. She beat the same Yagyu in Shimousa, but he was stronger this time.

Miyamoto Musashi

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Scroll down to her in-game profile. I would've posted pictures from the game, but I don't know how to upload photos directly from my phone or computer to the forum.



This one is her profile from the FGO Material books.

Miyamoto Musashi (Berserker)

Miyamoto Musashi (Berserker) was available for summoning during the: She has the 5th highest ATK values out of all servants along with Sakata Kintoki. She shares the exact ATK and HP values at both minimum and maximum with Sakata Kintoki. After clearing Chapter 22 of Olympus Main Quest, Miyamoto...

fategrandorder.fandom.com

Here's her Summer form's stuff, if you want.

She unlocks Zero at the end of Shimousa. I linked the scene above.

Oh, ok.

To be fair, that was before Shimousa. She beat the same Yagyu in Shimousa, but he was stronger this time.

That still doesn't really mean anything. She still acknowledged that PHH Yagyu would beat her post-shimousa, and tied with Diarmund. The ability itself has limits, and isn't "you always win no matter what". You can summarize it as a better Minds Eye.

Scroll down to her in-game profile. I would've posted pictures from the game, but I don't know how to upload photos directly from my phone or computer to the forum.

Eh? Sorry, I don't get what you mean here. What's thing trying to prove?

 

[KingNanaya]

Anything to deal with the Fate Manipulation directly? Of course not. Other than him killing that concept with MEODP (which is a theoretical thing, and I'm not even sure he can do that in the first place, so I'm not arguing for it)

should be possible in theory.

they don’t like shiki for anything other than power scaling

I think she's cool, well written, hot, and fun to play in mbacc

I would like to, please, leave this conversation aside

preach. the conversation has been dragged out for weeks with. I just want some peace.

 

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That still doesn't really mean anything. She still acknowledged that PHH Yagyu would beat her post-shimousa, and tied with Diarmund. The ability itself has limits, and isn't "you always win no matter what". You can summarize it as a better Minds Eye.

I don't remember her stating that PHH Yagyu would beat her post-Shimousa. Do you know when she said that?

Eh? Sorry, I don't get what you mean here. What's thing trying to prove?

Her Profile describes her Heavenly Eye and One/Zero better. It outright states that her Heveanly Eye lets her "an infinite number of possible futures down to only one," along with some other stuff. Give it (and her Material Book entry) a quick read.

Her fight with Kojiro (which I linked earlier) says the same thing (and then she makes a possibility that didn't exist come into existence).

 

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should be possible in theory.

Possible in theory, doesn't always equal possible in practice.

I think she's cool, well written, hot, and fun to play in mbacc

She is a pretty good character.

preach. the conversation has been dragged out for weeks with. I just want some peace.

It's been a bit ridiculous, but it has made the thread active, which is... something(?), I guess.

 

[Wankbreaker]

At least one of the Hakunos come from CCC considering…. they know who BB is

 

[LehenDuo]

Post made in the Tier 0 discussion:

regardless, the grail not reaching the root is contradictory, as that’s the reason why it was made

Two things here:
1) It has never reached the Root. For a fact, it has never been used. (Greater Grail)
2) As far as we know, the wish granting power of the Einzbern (Lesser) Grail is not only limited by the will of the person using, but by the limits placed by Magecraft. It cannot enact Magic.

 

[Tdjwo]

Post made in the Tier 0 discussion:

Two things here:
1) It has never reached the Root. For a fact, it has never been used. (Greater Grail)
2) As far as we know, the wish granting power of the Einzbern (Lesser) Grail is not only limited by the will of the person using, but by the limits placed by Magecraft. It cannot enact Magic.

Bro why even bother with this guy? He literally gets his opinions from Marshadow

 

[LehenDuo]

Bro why even bother with this guy? He literally gets his opinions from Marshadow

I remember him (Marshadow).
Was he banned or something?

 

[Tdjwo]

I remember him (Marshadow).
Was he banned or something?

Yes.

 

[LamentSatanael]

Her bunny suit is lit, Tlaloc my beloved

 

[Wankbreaker]

Post made in the Tier 0 discussion:

Two things here:
1) It has never reached the Root. For a fact, it has never been used. (Greater Grail)
2) As far as we know, the wish granting power of the Einzbern (Lesser) Grail is not only limited by the will of the person using, but by the limits placed by Magecraft. It cannot enact Magic.

1. that’s irrelevant to its purpose, or the material statement
2. angra mainyu using a fraction of the grails powers managed to open a pathway

 

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Her bunny suit is lit, Tlaloc my beloved

I prefer her first Ascension myself, but her Skills make it so that you have to use the bunny suit to use her optimally (not that the bunny suit is bad, or anything like that).

 

[Wankbreaker]

Bro why even bother with this guy? He literally gets his opinions from Marshadow

i literally just saw an old thread of you saying the works of lovecraft are canon to the nasuverse

 

[Tdjwo]

i literally just saw an old thread of you saying the works of lovecraft are canon to the nasuverse

???

 

[Wankbreaker]

???

The Truth About The Outer Gods in Nasuverse.

Hello, everyone. Today seems relatively uneventful, and in order to pass the time, I've opted for something a bit out of the ordinary. Indeed, as the title suggests, we'll be delving into the Outer Gods featured in the Nasuverse and exploring the hidden mysteries surrounding them. Note, I'm not...

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[Tdjwo]

The Truth About The Outer Gods in Nasuverse.

Hello, everyone. Today seems relatively uneventful, and in order to pass the time, I've opted for something a bit out of the ordinary. Indeed, as the title suggests, we'll be delving into the Outer Gods featured in the Nasuverse and exploring the hidden mysteries surrounding them. Note, I'm not...

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Ok? I'm talking about Sut-Typhon. Not the Lovecraftian lore.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Ok? I'm talking about Sut-Typhon. Not the Lovecraftian lore.

• Known fictions in Nasuverse seem to follow the correct depiction of the same fiction in our reality, as seen with Gilgamesh and Jeanne d'arc examples.
• This means the Outer Gods that were gotten from the book of Eibon in Nasuverse are the same Outer gods known within Cthulhu Mythos.

 

[Tdjwo]

Ok? What's your point?

 

[Wankbreaker]

Ok? What's your point?

you can’t complain about “lol arguments from banned user”, which isn’t even completely true? when your actual arguments are stuff like “lol lovecraft is canon to nasu” or “i asked my old teacher if nasu is tier 0 or not” or whatever

 

[LamentSatanael]

Aight, I think we should change topics. It's getting heated but I do agree in part that "lol arguments from a banned user" is a bad refute, especially if you're seeking to prove multiple new points wrong by leaving it at that.


But anyway change of topics, new guy to VSBW here nice meeting you all. Feel free to call me Lament if you may, I completed almost all of Nasuverse ie to date with nearly most of the stuff save for Extella and Priya, can't be bothered so

 

[Tdjwo]

you can’t complain about “lol arguments from banned user”, which isn’t even completely true? when your actual arguments are stuff like “lol lovecraft is canon to nasu” or “i asked my old teacher if nasu is tier 0 or not” or whatever

Tf are u even yapping about? I only stayed Sut-Typhon in Nasu is the same depiction as the one in Lovecraft. And when did I ask my teacher about Nasuverse bring tier 0? I only talked about negative theology with him. Just go back to reddit or discord or wherever you came from.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Tf are u even yapping about? I only stayed Sut-Typhon in Nasu is the same depiction as the one in Lovecraft. And when did I ask my teacher about Nasuverse bring tier 0? I only talked about negative theology with him. Just go back to reddit or discord or wherever you came from.

you saying the depiction is 1-1 is the same thing.

that is still just as bad, if you brought up type-moon

all im asking is to drop the “im better” attitude, you saw what happened to the last guy in here with a hyper-inflated ego (see what I did there?)

 

[Wankbreaker]

Aight, I think we should change topics. It's getting heated but I do agree in part that "lol arguments from a banned user" is a bad refute, especially if you're seeking to prove multiple new points wrong by leaving it at that.


But anyway change of topics, new guy to VSBW here nice meeting you all. Feel free to call me Lament if you may, I completed almost all of Nasuverse ie to date with nearly most of the stuff save for Extella and Priya, can't be bothered so

prillya is hot garbage

 

[Tdjwo]

you saying the depiction is 1-1 is the same thing.

that is still just as bad, if you brought up type-moon

all im asking is to drop the “im better” attitude, you saw what happened to the last guy in here with a hyper-inflated ego (see what I did there?)

Are u daft? You're intentionally changing the context to my post?

And what did you do? You reported hyper cuz he was slamming you so hard in the debate Bro had to resort to reporting him cuz he insulted you

 

[LamentSatanael]

prillya is hot garbage

Agreed since outright bait, the only useful thing (for me) I think that arrived from the elementals was being a terminal part

Are u daft? You're intentionally changing the context to my post?

And what did you do? You reported hyper cuz he was slamming you so hard in the debate Bro had to resort to reporting him cuz he insulted you

Okay, that's a big nono, from what I know of the drama and checking it in the staff review. I don't think using a slur should be written off as "insulted", that is in terrible taste and nobody should be using the example (to prove a point) of someone who outright used the F- word unwarranted and then doubled down on it with the slur again without shame even after staff wanting an explanation from him nor swallowing down on their ego apologizing for the slur at the very least. Slurs and debates do not go hand in hand.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Are u daft? You're intentionally changing the context to my post?

No?

And what did you do? You reported hyper cuz he was slamming you so hard in the debate Bro had to resort to reporting him cuz he insulted you

ah, you agree base ryougi and araya beat types, shirous origin is hero, and that there are 5 billion different Type-Moon canons?
hopeless.

regardless, you do know that he noped out of finishing with both me and @Synnian

i would think you would actually disagree with him, since he genuinely thinks anything post CCC is tier 11

 

[KingNanaya]

I want peace

 

[Wankbreaker]

I want peace

never….

 

[SweetDao]

I want peace

 

[KingNanaya]

 

[Wankbreaker]

i want that tier 0 thread to conclude so we can move onto the main course

 

[LamentSatanael]

By the way, is it okay if I post some Tsuki Remake Red Garden theories I cooked up and some I learnt from others?
Like I suppose it should be fine but just a double confirmation in case such talks may not be allowed.

 

[LehenDuo]

By the way, is it okay if I post some Tsuki Remake Red Garden theories I cooked up and some I learnt from others?
Like I suppose it should be fine but just a double confirmation in case such talks may not be allowed.

Shoot
There's no rules about theories / spoilers / such things.

 

[KingNanaya]

By the way, is it okay if I post some Tsuki Remake Red Garden theories I cooked up and some I learnt from others?
Like I suppose it should be fine but just a double confirmation in case such talks may not be allowed.

That's fine

 

[Wankbreaker]

the best red garden theory

 

[LamentSatanael]

Shoot
There's no rules about theories / spoilers / such things.

Thanks!

So essentially, there are many parts to this but this is something like part 1 I guess? Anyway.

Hospital

I think we all know about the suspicious Saiki hospital in Remake, yep the very same hospital that Shiki briefly visits and the one you visit alongside Ciel in her route where Shiki starts hyperventilating and suspiciously is mentally distressed wanting to get out of that place as soon as possible.


Essentially, the hospital is also way different in Ciel route in the sense it is extra damaged. This route is also where Satsuki suspiciously re-appears which shouldn't at all be possible from what we know of OG and Arach taking a more active stance, compared to Arc's route where she watches on from the sidelines for some reason which is weird considering how Roa tells us about how "Paranodahlia loves doing unnecessary things she doesn't have to"



Btw, in this context, 'She' is referred to as Arach since this bad end essentially occurs due to her vaccines; another interesting part is how Roa refers to 'Paranodahlia' as a possible reason why he comes back to life.
Funny, guess who's the rank 12th of the Dead Apostle Ancestors in Tsukihime Remake? Lululily A.rach Paranodahlia.

Given what we saw in relevance to Idea Replica with Dr. Arach, how it shoots a person to rank 8 (extremely, and I mean extremely unlikely. Chances are you like die out on fourth or fifth booster shot and most end up in shit tier rank 6) which only a rank 9 can make occur for a DA, same with Rank 7, it's safe to assume Arach is a Dead Apostle Ancestor given by this fact and she likely is Paranodahlia we're speaking of.

Now how does it relate to hospital? This way:



"Sight of a doctor frolicking like a child" guess we know who it is, nothing needs to be stated.



"Since then" The context here is Shiki believes he's been in the hospital for the last two weeks and nobody has ever visited him since he was admitted which is an obvious contradiction. The lines previous to the CG above go about like this-


Hmm, smashing a mirror as soon as you see your reflection. Very intriguing, is it not? (For those who're aware of the Roa the 16th stuff, I'll make a post on it in the next part with a timeline of everything in my POV and for those who don't, heh you're in for a helluva ride)

Anyway, back to the contradiction itself. This is evident because Shiki has had his memory wiped at the-

First hospital
(Will include the CG in the next message)
He does not have MEoDP here and it seemed to be post-Garden events, Shiki has a "little sister" Mio or Akiha perhaps visiting him, the obvious lady who is Arach here and the "strange man in suit" likely Gouto? He's gonna recognise Makihisa.

Second hospital
(Same as first)
Seems to be a huge time skip, Shiki now has MEoDP meaning he faced his third 'death' in the hospital first. My theory is the first hospital is likely where he was awakened, SHIKI was also in a different room possibly. The duo had to duke it out the second time in the first hospital in Remake because "Roa the 16th" needs to be transferred into "Roa the 17th" for the events taking place during the main timeline of Tsukihime Remake to occur. Gouto also stated how Akiha is partly responsible for his facial burns and we know the Saiki hospital (first hospital) was burned. There are tons of issues, especially the years which I'll again address in my next post but Akiha seemingly likely also duked it out to stop her brothers from fighting it out to death or something perhaps, more value to this insane reasoning: Akiha's natural enemy- either brother.

Shiki meanwhile seemed to have 'died' thrice, once upon adoption unlike OG the second time at the garden incident and the third time at the hospital.

Anyway, since this is essentially short (this part isn't over with). I'd first like to answer anything if any of you have any questions so far or if you seek to question my line of reasoning feel free to as I love debates. Also, feel free to share your thoughts on what you think of this so far before we continue.