And yet Carter is not a fool. He is very smart for a human who actually understands nature of the Yog-Sothtoh and yet Carter passed the Ultimate Gate to know the truth about creation. And truth he achieved. There is nothing indicates that Carter somehow extols or overestimates the nature of the Yog.
What he said wasn't an overestimation. Your interpretation of it was. You're ignoring later information to hyperfixate on the phrase "all in one" and assuming it means complete Monism when it doesn't.
About other archetypes.. There are just Outer Gods who are clearly below the Yog-Sothoth (except maybe Azathoth). There is no evidence to underestimating Carter's words, and even more so Yog-Sothoth himself. If Carter claims that the Yog-Sothoth is everything and everything is Yog-Sothoth - that's true. If Yog-Sothoth (who is literally omniscient) tells that Ultimate Mystery lies beyond Ultimate Void - that's true.
Yes, Yog-Sothoth is chief among the archetypes, but there are indeed multiple archetypes. Which means he is not a Monad.
Carter never said that.
Yog never said that.
In the face of that awful wonder, the quasi-Carter forgot the horror of destroyed individuality. It was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self—not merely a thing of one Space-Time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence’s whole unbounded sweep—the last, utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy and mathematics alike. It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of earth have whispered of as YOG-SOTHOTH, and which has been a deity under other names; that which the crustaceans of Yuggoth worship as the Beyond-One, and which the vaporous brains of the spiral nebulae know by an untranslatable Sign—yet in a flash the Carter-facet realised how slight and fractional all these conceptions are.'
Other archetypes are lesser than Yog-Sothoth who encompasses them as part of itself.
“Randolph Carter,” IT seemed to say, “MY manifestations on your planet’s extension, the Ancient Ones, have sent you as one who would lately have returned to small lands of dream which he had lost, yet who with greater freedom has risen to greater and nobler desires and curiosities. You wished to sail up golden Oukranos, to search out forgotten ivory cities in orchid-heavy Kled, and to reign on the opal throne of Ilek-Vad, whose fabulous towers and numberless domes rise mighty toward a single red star in a firmament alien to your earth and to all matter. Now, with the passing of two Gates, you wish loftier things. You would not flee like a child from a scene disliked to a dream beloved, but would plunge like a man into that last and inmost of secrets which lies behind all scenes and dreams.
Nothing in this could be summarized as "Yog is everything." In fact, it says Yog is "allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence's whole unbounded sweep." Meaning there is a distinction between the animating essence and Yog.
Nothing in this says "the Ultimate Mystery is beyond the void."
Overtly headcanon.
See a context. Carter directly describes that Yog-Sothoth is one-in-all not in terms of one universe, but in terms of all of unbounded existence.
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Considering context about "All-in-One" it can be logically said that Supreme Archetype contains lesser archetypes as well. Just aspects of it's limitless self.
He describes Yog as "allied to" the animating essence of unbounded existence. Nothing actually says he's identical with all of existence itself. You're extrapolating that the phrase "All in One and One in All" describes all of existence, rather than just the various facets and the loss of Carter's individual identity.
This is specious reasoning. He made it to the Ultimate Void and Yog asked him if he wanted the veil lifted, he said yes, and he learned about the archetypes. The mystery isn't "beyond" the void. It's not an entity or being. It is a set of information that he received about the void and the people who live there.
Precisely. Yog is simply one among the several archetypes -- people of the abyss. Yog specifically represents thinkers and wizards. He is chief among them, but there is literally no information in the text suggesting all of the archetypes are part of him.
And yet Carter perfectly understand nature of the Yog-Sothoth. Why you're try to argue that "All-in-One" refers just to Carter's loss of individual identity if the very context of this whole passage says that the Yog is an all-encompassing unity not within a scope of a single space-time continuum, but contains (and thus connected to) the whole existence?
Ultimate Mystery, in fact, is Yog-Sothoth itself who knows and tells this Mystery to lesser beings.
This information comes from first point.
Nasuverse have Outer Gods and Yog-Sothoth.
You already tried this. I am not claiming Carter misunderstood, I am saying that you are misunderstanding.
Because the passage doesn't say any of that. It makes it quite clear that the only unity that Yog encompasses is that of his facets. Not the other archetypes or existence itself.
Also headcanon.
Which, itself, is assumptive.
Yes, so use Nasu's descriptions of them. Not Lovecraft's. Don't use scans from Lovecraft's works to prove things about Nasu's works.Nasuverse have Outer Gods and Yog-Sothoth.
As I can say about your points.
In fact, nothing in these scans contradict to what I'm saying to you.
Same
Now I'm arguing about CM Yog as I see it's description in books. For Nasuverse Yog I have other thoughts which unrelated from CM's description (even if they're same tho).
I agree.
Probably not (I hope not).
NTR is bad.
We'll get one... eventually.
I guess is okay, the scaling seems Fine.
I like that the Saber verdict seems to acknowledge that Fate can be rather wild, and thus used different ends ranging from only merely Mountain level, then slowly going up the scaling. And while not in the verdict, they mentioned in the Heroic Spirit section about the more "wild" and iffy stuff like the Kiara/Roa statement for people who buy Fate at that level.
no clue. I don't like FGO. Tdjwo enjoys gacha hell, so he might know
