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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

How strong would Melusine be based on Wiki standards?
She would likely be Low 1-C, possibly 1-C. She is considered the strongest of the Tam Lin, is one of the three Great Calamities, is arguably stronger than Morgan herself, Albion has a ton of statements that probably place it that high, and she tore through the Abyssal Worm.
Another question: Do Divine spirits or full gods have a baseline AP?
That depends, but I think it's usually Low 1-C, possibly 1-C.
Why do gods like Ishtar not have a true form/not pseudo servant key? is it due to there not being a baseline for Divine spirits?
No, I'm pretty sure it's just because their profiles are outdated.
What exactly is the dimensionality to which gods scale?
I think it's usually 6D-8D.
 
She would likely be Low 1-C, possibly 1-C. She is considered the strongest of the Tam Lin, is one of the three Great Calamities, is arguably stronger than Morgan herself, Albion has a ton of statements that probably place it that high, and she tore through the Abyssal Worm.
Thanks, she is the goat.
That depends, but I think it's usually Low 1-C, possibly 1-C.

No, I'm pretty sure it's just because their profiles are outdated.
if y'all need help updating the profiles, I'm down to help
I think it's usually 6D-8D.
I guess it's due to Avalon and the Mooncell, Right?

btw who would you say is the strongest in the verse aside from「 」
 
Well that went surprisingly smoother than I thought it would be.

As an aside, I may try and make some heavy revisions to some of the older Type Moon entries down the line, though the Servant Parameters thing should really get addressed first
 
Well that went surprisingly smoother than I thought it would be.

As an aside, I may try and make some heavy revisions to some of the older Type Moon entries down the line, though the Servant Parameters thing should really get addressed first
I think we should focus on the parameters thing since this is one of the biggest issue we have right now
That said, are you going to addressing the mystery and the 4D invul as well?
 
I think we should focus on the parameters thing since this is one of the biggest issue we have right now
That said, are you going to addressing the mystery and the 4D invul as well?
I don't agree with the 4D invul either, but as far as thread ideas go it's not one I personally have on my list. I agree the Parameters should be addressed first, but after that, I wanna finalize some edits to Arc's profile that were technically already accepted, but weren't applied to her profile.

I also wanna massively revise the Tsukihime profiles as a whole, and maybe Zero and FSN
 
I don't agree with the 4D invul either, but as far as thread ideas go it's not one I personally have on my list.
Well in that thread about WoG scaling removal @CurrySenpai said that it need to be addressed so you can ask about help to her, but yeah i think for now this is not our main priority atm
So like, are you actually going to do something about it with actual evidence or are you just going to complain about it every time you make a post even vaguely related to Nasuverse?
Shit you are right, if this is about my issue with 4D invul then my apologies, i'm way become so vocal about this for how long
 
I don't agree with the 4D invul either, but as far as thread ideas go it's not one I personally have on my list. I agree the Parameters should be addressed first, but after that, I wanna finalize some edits to Arc's profile that were technically already accepted, but weren't applied to her profile.

I also wanna massively revise the Tsukihime profiles as a whole, and maybe Zero and FSN
Just to clarify, what parameter scaling do you mean?
 
There's been talk of removing scaling via Servant rank stats and sticking purely to feats
So uh ... basically what's done now? Can you find any specific example of a servant scaling via a specific parameter? Because like, we don't scale to parameters. High 6-C+ is just kind of the accepted "Servant level." Even the weaker servants are accepted at being at that level thanks to Angra Mainyu barely keeping up with Saber, Avicebron's golems are equivalent to E Rank servants and could still slow down a top tier servant like Mordred, and Anderson taking an attack meant for Mordred and living somehow. Do note, all three of these servants have statements of being "the weakest servant."

Looking around on the wiki, and talking with people on Discord, it seems like any current parameter scaling is outdated and it really should just be replaced with like "Should be comparable to other servants" so we don't get huge scaling chains leading all the way back to Gawain.
 
So uh ... basically what's done now? Can you find any specific example of a servant scaling via a specific parameter? Because like, we don't scale to parameters. High 6-C+ is just kind of the accepted "Servant level." Even the weaker servants are accepted at being at that level thanks to Angra Mainyu barely keeping up with Saber, Avicebron's golems are equivalent to E Rank servants and could still slow down a top tier servant like Mordred, and Anderson taking an attack meant for Mordred and living somehow. Do note, all three of these servants have statements of being "the weakest servant."
Well I'm not about to scroll through every single profile but name some

Small Country level with Nine Lives (As an A+ Ranked Noble Phantasm, it should be comparable to Siegfried's A+ Ranked Noble Phantasm)

Relativistic+ with FTL Reactions and Combat speed (Possesses an A-Rank agility stat likely making him superior to Base Musashi. who Intercepted an attack from Castor. Easily kept pace with Saber and overwhelmed her during their fight)

Actually just from checking, a lot are scaled to Musashi due to having a higher agility rank.
Looking around on the wiki, and talking with people on Discord, it seems like any current parameter scaling is outdated and it really should just be replaced with like "Should be comparable to other servants" so we don't get huge scaling chains leading all the way back to Gawain.
Sure. I don't care much whether or not it gets accepted, just before any major verse revisions are done, it should get addressed first
 
I'm not sure how that profile sent twice

Meh. Although
"Should be comparable to other servants" so we don't get huge scaling chains leading all the way back to Gawain.
Wouldn't it make more sense to scale Servants to the feats respectively of the entry they appear in? Because of the various factors determing their strength
 
Well I'm not about to scroll through every single profile but name some

Small Country level with Nine Lives (As an A+ Ranked Noble Phantasm, it should be comparable to Siegfried's A+ Ranked Noble Phantasm)

Relativistic+ with FTL Reactions and Combat speed (Possesses an A-Rank agility stat likely making him superior to Base Musashi. who Intercepted an attack from Castor. Easily kept pace with Saber and overwhelmed her during their fight)

Actually just from checking, a lot are scaled to Musashi due to having a higher agility rank.

Sure. I don't care much whether or not it gets accepted, just before any major verse revisions are done, it should get addressed first
I do agree that relying solely on anecdotal evidence isn’t an effective way to scale servants however, it should at the very least be used as a secondary source and as the main factor if there’s reliable correlation Cus imo, completely disregarding parameters doesn’t really seem logical.
 
I do agree that relying solely on anecdotal evidence isn’t an effective way to scale servants however, it should at the very least be used as a secondary source and as the main factor if there’s reliable correlation Cus imo, completely disregarding parameters doesn’t really seem logical.
I personally don't care too much if it's accepted or not, I just remember people have been discussing the removal of it for awhile now, and wanna see how that pans out before I attempt anything
 
Shit you are right, if this is about my issue with 4D invul then my apologies, i'm way become so vocal about this for how long
Don't be afraid to take a shot at stuff. I noticed there haven't been any major CRTs in the works for this verse for awhile now aside from that WoG removal. Be the change you want.

That said, who's planning the parameters thread? I'm pro removing Parameters scaling, though I'm also open to hearing counterarguments. Either way we need to revise the entire verse scaling after that.
 
Don't be afraid to take a shot at stuff. I noticed there haven't been any major CRTs in the works for this verse for awhile now aside from that WoG removal. Be the change you want.

That said, who's planning the parameters thread? I'm pro removing Parameters scaling, though I'm also open to hearing counterarguments. Either way we need to revise the entire verse scaling after that.
The whole 4d thing has already been addressed. It’s not 4d, just very troublesome invul that can’t be equalized in most matchups. https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-thr...4-d-invulnearability-once-and-for-all.139469/
And did you not say you were the one making the Parameter removal thread ?
 
The whole 4d thing has already been addressed. It’s not 4d, just very troublesome invul that can’t be equalized in most matchups. https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-thr...4-d-invulnearability-once-and-for-all.139469/
There's still contention around that, and I'd like to point out even Crimson doesn't agree with his old viewpoint there anymore. Though he's done with Type Moon now so it's whatever

And did you not say you were the one making the Parameter removal thread ?
No lol. Even before my break people were already talking about removing it. Was even mentioned in that Mage upgrade thread that was rejected since it relied on WoG and was unsupported in series
 
Alright I’ll do it this week hopefully it gets accepted.
It should. His feats are very straightforward. Last time when Crystalvalley made a CRT for it, it should've been accepted, but the thread died. Just gotta hope more people bother commenting.

I'll be sure to cast an agreement vote btw
 
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