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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Makenai said:
Yep, you really didnt understand what i mean, beast class as in Top Class or Gil class not her class is a beast. Even i try understand what you wrote
despite it looking like trash

Sefar thrased Amaterasu and her whole phanteon LOL XD.

You don't even know that XD

"In first you can even argue that Lostbelt zeus could have win a non full evolved Sephar, because Sephar become more powerful with energy it absorb"

See what's does this sentence even mean, so far i'm being grateful for never called you out for this since i understand not everyone can speak English.

We don't know the detail of Zeus vs sefar but what's clear is that he defeated it and Sefar does thrashed whole Japanese phanteon.

Calling other person stupid is really what "smart people" does is it?
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Sephar become more powerful when he absorb energy and so go in higher phase, and since grec pantheon is litteraly the first pantheon that sephar have fought, Lostbelt zeus could have kill when he is not full power sephar. (And well not like sephar FP 7th stage is just tell to have the same amount of energy than Amaterasu imo)
 
Regidian said:
And if you want tell that he have killed

Feat of the sephar trashed her and her pantheon, thank you

You talk about sephar trashing Japanese pantheon but don't have show a feat
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Fate/EXTELLA - Orchid Words Arc, Chapter 6 (Before Battle Begins) go read it yourself, i wont be generous like before and pick the word for you.
 
Makenai said:
Fate/EXTELLA - Orchid Words Arc, Chapter 6 (Before Battle Begins) go read it yourself, i wont be generous like before and pick the word for you.
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Yeah so you can't prove it so well, and fate extella it's a game you play it, not read it

Like you tell before, you need to prove that he have trashed the pantheon, if you don't then 0 value.
 
Come tell me Where's Douman said Ibuki is beast "class" servant, 0 scans = 0 value XD

You're not even play Extella arent you?
 
Makenai said:
LMAO, purposely being ignorant i can only laugh.XD
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Yeah technically i'm just lazy to search if it's true 2:am here


Makenai said:
Come tell me Where's Douman said Ibuki is beast "class" servant, 0 scans = 0 value XD

You're not even play Extella arent you?
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I said douman have appoint her as one not said she one (+ like i tell when he have trying to be one even the mc and mona have tell that he had the mana output of one just that his grail don't have changed, and he tell himself that he's mana output is comparable to ibuki and maybie better)

I have play the game a long time ago, i have even somewhere here who can tell it since i talked with it, just doesn't remember if tamamo was talking about amaterasu and his pantheon even more when it's tell that the max stage of sephar who is 7 in earth, is equal in energy to amaterasu, and in that moment just after she talked about the god of war Ares.
 
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in Fate/Extella the version of Sefar that "trashed" the "many" pantheon's of Gods was using the power of the Mooncell to do that. Something that is often overlooked.
 
Id like to see a Japanese video of that scene. I been trying to find RAWs without having to pay anything for months.
 
Someone have talked about this too


"Actually it was left vague. The line where Tamamo said "I lost to the titan" was mistranslated by Marvelous. She actually said "watakushitachi (We as in the ancient gods as a whole) lost to the titan", without specifying herself in particular, Nasu always leave room for future tweaks like that. Also she said even after being deified on Earth which made her weak to the nature of the titan which trumped concepts, the Golden Fox is not losing, so there's something suspicious. That and the statement about their power comparison sparked a few theories such as: she first confronted the titan b4 anyone else and her energy attacks accidentally buffed the titan to the extreme, she jobbed because concepts are weak against the titan, she called herself a Beast candidate because she was actually the mastermind who brought the titan upon the ancient gods to **** them over thus she is a Beast who destroyed gods for the love of humans, the beast of "betrayal"..and much more"
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
I been trying to find this scene. This was Tammamo remembering her fight in the Age of Gods against her.

"As someone she once vanquished"

"all who fought to destroy the titan met their end"


"neither you nor my husband know how troublesome it was to fight the titan"
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It was not this scene that the guy talk, and like the text i send apparently with have that. Well surely need to see the raw


Also she said even after being deified on Earth which made her weak to the nature of the titan which trumped concepts, the Golden Fox is not losing, so there's something suspicious.
 
Extra/Extella scaling in general is weird. It is perhaps the most debated in terms of tiering and scaling within the verse.
 
Taira no Kagekiyo Profile


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The character wrapped in mystery who appears in "The Tale of Heike".
He is a character that was known as "Kazusa's Akushichibyōe Kagekiyo" by the armies of the Genji and Heika clan at the Battle of Yashima, but their personal history is unclear.
He claims to be from Kazusa in "The Tale of the Heike", but his concrete origin varies in the books.

"Kazusa's Akushichibyōe Kagekiyo" eventually came to be called "Taira no Kagekiyo", the avenger of the Taira clan...
They became known to the world as a vengeful ghost bent on taking revenge on the Minamoto clan.


Bond 1
Height/Weight: 172cm/57kg
Source: "The Tale of the Heike", "The Chronicle of Yoshitsune", Legends about Kagekiyo
Region: Japan
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Gender: ─
In general, she uses the katana known as "Azamaru" [1] as her weapon. There should be only one of it, but for some reason she has two.


Bond 2
The one who kills the Genji.
A device for exterminating the Genji.
That mindset that should be called that of a vengeful ghost, is already like that of an automatically acting machine.

No pretense of possessing the joys or sorrows of an individual can be felt. She displays none.
Has she already thrown them away or are they simply "difficult to feel"───


Bond 3
The military exploits established by the samurai on the Heike's side and the deep-seated grudges the deserters felt towards the Genji are condensed into the image of "Taira no Kagekiyo" for some reason.
Yoritomo was actually attacked by Kagekiyo thirty-seven times, but they failed each time.
Anybody who desires vengeance against the Minamoto-clan will eventually turn into Kagekiyo and bare their fangs against the Genji.

Indeed, it doesn't matter whether they are Kagekiyo.
Indeed it doesn't matter whether they are of the Heike.
It has nothing to with whether it is the actual person.
Those who bear a grudge against the Genji are taken over by "Taira no Kagekiyo".
The real Kagekiyo might have actually escaped to the Chūgoku region and spent the rest of his life in happiness there, but regardless of that, "Taira no Kagekiyo" bears a grudge against the Genji.


Bond 4 (After clearing Little Big Tengu)
There are a great number of legends about Kagekiyo and historic sites related to him (or so they claim) exist all over the country. In the exact same way as the (so-called) historic sites related to Yoshitsune of the Minamoto-clan.
In their materialization this time, Kagekiyo has truly become one with Minamoto Yoshitsune.

In other words...
"This warrior called Minamoto Yoshitsune is, in truth, Kagekiyo."

Was Yoshitsune taken in as a component of Kagekiyo as a result of "having a grudge against the Genji" or has Yoshitsune's enormous resentment become the core of Kagekiyo as an Avenger─────

Yoshitsune was Taira no Kiyomori's adopted son for a while. One could say the path towards becoming one with the vengeful ghost of the Heike was already paved for Yoshitsune who bore a grudge against the Genji during her life.


Bond 5 (After clearing Little Big Tengu)
○Genji, Please Die A++
Taira no Kagekiyo, will kill, the Genji.

○Kagekiyo Is Undying EX
Taira no Kagekiyo will not die. They appear over and over again, going after Yoritomo's life thirty-seven times.
In the kabuki play, "Kamahige", they were also invulnerable.
Kagekiyo, who possesses this skill at EX rank is endowed with instant death resistance in addition to the guts effect provided.

○Mist of Azamaru [1]
Veiled in mist, the enemy's blade will waver.
Sorcery that creates mist, utilized with Kagekiyo's katana, "Azamaru" (presently held at the Atsuta Shrine).


Extra (After reaching Bond 5 and clearing Little Big Tengu)
『All Things Are Impermanent・The Prosperous Are Sure To Fall』

Rank: B+
Classification: Anti-Unit Secret Technique
Range: 1~20
Max. number of targets: One

Shogyou Mujou・Jousha Hissui.
A cursed attack slammed at the enemy with a sword engulfed in the grudges of the Taira-clan.

There is no universal or everlasting in this world, be it an immortal warrior or an eternal nation───────turning such providence into a blade, the target is shaved off along with its existence.
Perhaps due to the anecdote of her being a wielder of a large long sword having been sublimated, along with the release of the Noble Phantasm's True Name, her weapon transforms from the dual Azamaru swords into a single enormous blade.
It can be understood by those other than the Genji, but as expected, it will only be fully comprehended by the Genji.


Translator notes:
[1] Azamaru was Taira no Kagekiyo's sword. Its later owners were pursued by misfortune so the blade was believed to be cursed and its last owner donated it to a shrine to be freed of its curse.


Credit to the translator in FGO Reddit
 



Setanta​

Parameters​
Values​
Strength​
B+​
Constitution​
C​
Agility​
B​
Magical Power​
C​
Luck​
A​
Noble Phantasm​
B​

Introduction​

The figure of the great hero Cu Chulainn from Celtic mythology and Ulster mythology————during the times of training. His mind as well as his body are more immature and younger than the him who materializes as a Lancer or a Caster. But at the same time, he also hides endless possibilities within him as a boy who continues to struggle, and advance, for the sake of becoming someone.

The symbol of every training day in the life of the hero Cu Chulainn. For that reason, he also possesses his memories of the Land of Shadows that he should not have personally experienced yet during the time he called himself Setanta. The time he actually visited the Land of Shadows was after when he earned the fame of being “Culann’s savage dog (Cu Chulainn)” by battling Culann’s watchdog. It is an incident that happened after he stepped forth as the hero Cu Chulainn.

Bond 1​

Height / Weight: 165cm / 56kg
Sources: Celtic Mythology, Ulster Mythology
Region: Ireland
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Sex: Male

Although he knows that he will eventually grow taller, it seems that in the end, Setanta is worrying about the fact that “My materialized self is still small.”

Bond 2​

A naive feral boy. Bright and active. Setanta acts before worrying about things. However, because of the education he received thoroughly from his foster father Fergus and his teacher Scathach, he also possesses the aspect of an honours student who properly abides by the courtesy that should be displayed towards one’s superiors and adults… But he is free-spirited when no one is looking.

Towards his Master, Setanta treats them like a familiar friend. Towards someone with an age close to his, this is his best way of dealing with someone as far as he is concerned.

Setanta does not particularly have a wish he wants to make on the Holy Grail. Because he knows that no one can grant his wish of “I must become the strongest hero”, except himself.

Bond 3​

Warrior of the Red Branch: B

Setanta is strongly aware in particular that he himself is a member of “The Knights of the Red Branch”, a knight order where Ulster’s brave and wild knights congregate.

Ferocious Dog Slayer: A

The anecdote of his childhood days where Setanta was called Culann’s dog - namely, “Cu Chulainn” - transformed into a Skill. A subspecies of the Beast Slayer Skill. Demonstrates a special attack performance towards animals.

Martial Arts Disciplining in the Shadow Country: B+

The days of training brought about by the Land of Shadows’ landlady - Scathach - had tempered Setanta’s mind and body and allowed him to reach completion as the peerless hero Cu Chulainn. Setanta possesses this Skill because his current Saint Graph’s mind and body is from the time of his training days (specifically, just before the end of his training). In the case that he truly materializes as the hero Cu Chulainn, he will no longer possess this Skill, but instead will possess the Noble Phantasm Gae Bolg.

(In other words, a situation where the materialized hero Cu Chulainn does not possess either this Skill or the Noble Phantasm Gae Bolg————should be essentially impossible.)

Bond 4​

In addition, his teacher Scathach - the Land of Shadows’ landlady and the strongest spearwoman - continued to call him “Setanta” like it was natural.
“I don’t think I’m really shrinking away because of that.” Such was the comment from the hero Setanta himself.

Setanta clearly remembers his training days in the Land of Shadows. Although it is not clear when it is about his other memories concerning “his future”, it seems he is generally aware of his recorded historical facts.

However, different from the boy Alexander who materialized with Saint Graph conditions similar to his own, Setanta does not completely accept his future, saying “Although I don’t know whether it’s because of recorded history, human history, or whatever…” “My future is my alone.” “Medb? I was killed by her or something? No way!” To him, Medb is someone he will be ready to take on.

Bond 5​

Cruaidin Setanta: The Shining Blade that Shreds with Severing Death
Rank: B+
Classification: Anti-Personnel Noble Phantasm
Range: 0~30
Maximum Number of Targets: 1 person

A Noble Phantasm where the unnamed sword awarded to Setanta by King Conchobar - at the time when he was recognized as a warrior of Ulster - is assimilated with Cruaidin, the sword of light that appeared in the legend of “The Battle of Ross na Rig”.

A magic sword that emits a faint light. At the time of its True Name Release, it strongly radiates light, demonstrating a power that is even akin to the magic sword Caladbolg that his foster father Fergus wields. Making use of the fearsome combat techniques he studied from his teacher Scathach, Setanta beats up his target to a complete pulp.

At the time of establishing this Saint Graph with his True Name as Setanta for this summoning, it is thought that the two swords were assimilated into one Noble Phantasm because of the shared trait where each sword was wielded by Setanta - namely, the hero Cu Chulainn - during the times of battle.

“This sword, wasn’t it something I actually used much later in my life? Wasn’t it?”
“But, well, I guess there are many fellows who possess Noble Phantasms of that sort. Eh, whatever!” Such was told by Setanta.
 
Kiichi Hogen Profile



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A Buddhist onmyouji and strategist.

A figure described in legend as the founder of the Kyouhachi-ryuu, the oldest school of swordsmanship in West Japan.

They taught combat to the young Ushiwakamaru, and enabled her to learn the innermost secrets of war strategy: the Six Secret Teachings and the Three Strategies of Huang Shigong... entirely against thier will. Ushiwakamaru just seduced their daughter one day to sneak a look at the secrets, causing the fearsome mentor to try to kill her in their rage.

They go by the name Kiichi Hougen.

But who is they really...?



Bond 1

Height/Weight: 171 cm/57 kg

Source: Kikeiki, fairy tales, Kurama Tengu legends, etc.

Region: Japan

Alignment: Chaotic Neutral

Gender: - (their current body is female)

Expanding on the comment about their body: it’s written like that because their gender and physique are freely transformable. Their current form is their most frequently used one, but it’s not their most majestic one, from what it seems.



Bond 2

* Swordsmanship of All Lands and Eras: A+

Kiichi Hougan is described as the founder of the Kyouhachi-ryuu, an ancient school of swordsmanship.

Kyouhachi-ryuu are eight styles considered the inspiration to all swordsmanship in West Japan, and were the combat techniques Kiichi taught her eight best disciples. Also, one of said disciples is said to have been Minamoto no Yoshitsune (Ushiwakamaru).

* Onmyoudou (Buddhist): A

Kiichi Hougan was a very influential Buddhist onmyouji on the capital by the late days of the Heian Era.

* Strategies of the Six Secret Teachings: EX

Ultimate strategies regarded as a world treasure.

It’s a strategy book as legendary as the The Three Strategies of Huang Shigong, and considered one of the Seven Military Classics.

Kiichi Hougan is this book’s custodian and guardian.



Bond 3

Broadminded.

Someone who nonchalantly laughs off minor details.

At first glance, they seem like a good-natured person. Tolerant, humane, and trustworthy.

However, the truth is that their sensitivities are far detached from human sensitivities. With enough time, or perhaps just a longer conversation, you’ll notice that they are fundamentally different from human beings.

They are not human.



Bond 4 + event completion

Kiichi Hougen is a supernatural entity frequently syncretized with Kurama Tengu, the Great Tengu - Soujoubou of Mt. Kurama.

The Edo period puppet play Kiichi Hougen Sanryaku-kan notes that Kiichi Hougen is actually the Tengu of Mt. Kurama, Soujoubou.

This is true to this game. Kiichi Hougen is not human. They're a Tengu.

Tengus are a species of Elementals affiliated with parts of nature, such as mountains, skies, wind, or fire. They're very different from Divine Spirits, but if anything, they're closer to Divine Spirit than to humans.

Although they normally don't interact with humans, that's not a hard rule, as shown by the examples of Ushiwakamaru and the Kyouhachiryuu disciples. They have a clear precedent of coming in contact with humans and granting them something.

They granted knowledge, techniques, Mystery, and secret arts... but that's not the only thing they can grant.

If you do something that offends them, you'll be literally sent to hell.

For a Tengu as grand as the Soujoubou of Mt. Kurama can effortlessly open the gates of hell.



Bond 5 + event completion

Rikutou Sanryaku - Maouson Daiusen (Six Secret Teachings and Three Stratagems - Maouson's Great Usen)

Rank: A

Type: Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm

Range: 1-50

Max. Targets: 500 people

An Usen is a fan made of feathers, usually from hawks or eagles.

It's usally a tool used to command troops, but on the other hand, they appear in legends and paintings as tools of Mystery used by Tengus and Xians - tools containing vast amounts of supernatural power.

The well-known Tengu fans.

Assassin Kiichi Hougen uses one of those feather fans as their Noble Phantasm.

Putting its destructive power in one word, that word would be "tremendous".

It's a Noble Phantasm that better embodies their properties as Kurama Tengu, the Great Tengu more commonly known as Soujoubou of Mt. Kurama, rather than Kiichi Hougen, the onmyouji and strategist. The winds released with its True Name reach the level of storms, cataclysm that shake the earth and split mountains.



Also Bond 5 + event completion

They don't understand in detail how the human species conducts itself.

Despite this incomplete understanding, whenever they feel like it, they listen to the tiny, frail beings, or cultivates individuals with latent talent, like Ushiwakamaru.

They don't understand humans quite well, but they are fond of humans.

The same way they are fond of bugs and animals.

They love parties.

Their signature verbal tic is their loud, boisterous laugher.

 
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In the newest El-Melloi II novel, a character named Ergo is introduced. Ergo is similar to a High Servant in that he has the spirits of three Divine Spirits inside of him, and one of them is Sun Wukong. In the newest volume's big climax he uses Wukong's NP.

From here: https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthre...I-Case-Files?p=3107710&viewfull=1#post3107710


Ergo combines all the Phantom Hands into a pair of Divine Arms loaded with Wukong's Divine Core, and shoots it as the Ruyi Jingu Bang. The chant to use the Divine Arms is "I think, therefore I am". Wuzhiqi instinctively dodges the Ruyi Jingu Bang, only to immediately realize this was a terrible idea. Before Wukong turned the Ruyi Jingu Bang into a weapon, it was a pillar holding together the bottom of ocean. It's an item originally made to give form to what is vague. A Noble Phantasm that held a Texture in place, just like Rhongomyniad. Meaning the place hit by the staff has the space around it fixed in place by Wukong's Authority. Wuzhiqi is now stuck in solid air. Ergo uses his Divine Arms as a drill to pierce the solid block of space he just created. Wuzhiqi starts making a final speech praising how thoroughly humans can spend the meager resources left from the Age of Gods in their shorter than a century lives, but is cut off mid-sentence by being fully swallowed by the space hole Ergo drilled open.
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TheUnshakableOne said:
Doesn't this basically confirm that the textures/layers are separated dimensions (some weird separated space that doesn't overlap with earth) existing in the same timeline (whatever word you want to use lol)
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IDK, fate cosmology is messed up. For example, universe in fate is simply a domain that encompasses time and space.
Nasuverse cosmology is very refined tho.
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
IDK, fate cosmology is messed up. For example, universe in fate is simply a domain that encompasses time and space.
Nasuverse cosmology is very refined tho.
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Extella compares the interior of the Mooncell to the Earth in the Guidbeook thingy

and then there is the avalon issue with the layers..

But yeah Nasuverse Cosmology is a wild and weird one..
 
Nasuverse powerscaling is absolute bullshit imo, even worse then dragon ball.

First, It is said that true magicians cannot make contract or match true heroic spirits (Not servants, but true heroic spirits.)
Then divine spirits outrank heroic spirits by miles.
Then, dead apostle ancestors are one rank higher then divine spirits.
The ultimate ones are said to be of the highest divine rank, above aliens and divine spirits.
Finally, the ultimate one of moon was killed by the second magician.
 
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