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Thank you for your helpTo clarify, do these scans only come from the Remake specifically, not the original release?
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Thank you for your helpTo clarify, do these scans only come from the Remake specifically, not the original release?
Sorry. What do you mean by this?However, both the remake characters and characters from the original release have crossed over, so the original release is still part of the verse.
The script file of Melty Blood: Type Lumina contains commentary from Nasu. He mentioned that he will tell us about a battle between old Tsukihime (Len) and new Tsukihime:Sorry. What do you mean by this?
/*-comment- MBvsFateにしか見えないが、実は旧月姫(レン)vs月姫Rの戦いなのである */ /*-comment- いつか、とっておきの時にお話しますので、 それまでお待ちください。 */ \l |
It only looks like MBvs Fate, but it's actually a battle between Old Tsukihime (Len) vs Tsukihime R. I'll tell you about it someday, at a special time. Please wait until then. |
The script file of Melty Blood: Type Lumina contains commentary from Nasu. He mentioned that he will tell us about a battle between old Tsukihime (Len) and new Tsukihime:
/*-comment-
MBvsFateにしか見えないが、実は旧月姫(レン)vs月姫Rの戦いなのである
*/
/*-comment-
いつか、とっておきの時にお話しますので、
それまでお待ちください。
*/
\lIt only looks like MBvs Fate, but it's actually a battle between Old Tsukihime (Len) vs Tsukihime R.
I'll tell you about it someday, at a special time.
Please wait until then.
Months later, the story of Boss Rush 4 was released, and it teases Len as the next DLC character.
Confirmed through Nasu's statement telling us what actually is.So it's not actually confirmed yet?
Dude, chill. I'm just trying to get the context of what we're working with.I don't get it, even if it isn't confirmed(it is), why should it matter? Everything is canon in Nasuverse.
Pretty sure I was chilledDude, chill.
For Reference:
人間の知覚、全能への道には果てがない。 どれほどの超越
者になろうと上には上がいる」
「たとえば埋葬機関にいつのまにか混ざっていたシスターです ね。彼女はサバトによって悪魔化し、 高次元の感覚を得た事で この次元では全能になったと言います。
ですが、そんな彼女ですらまだ物質に縛られている。この宇
宙に縛られている。
The scan literally tells us that because she gained higher dimensional senses, she became omnipotent in the current dimension. Bur obviously, she isn't going to be omnipotent to the higher ones because as the scan stated, she was still bound to the universe/space which has no end in terms of transcendence. So if another being with another level of higher d existed, he would be omnipotent to Kiara's higher d but still be bound to the universe/space and this would keep on going and going and going which is why the scan claims there is no end to human perception and transcendence no matter what because they are endless.I would recommend getting someone from the translation group to verify the translations for us.
"宙に縛られている。" = "(Tied/Bound) in/to the (space/air)." Not universe.
The statement is that she got "higher dimensional senses" and became "Omnipotent in this dimension."
Yes, the path to omnipotence is endless, but nothing implies that Kiara's "omnipotence" extends to countless other higher dimensions when we are only told that she became "Omnipotent in this dimension" specifically.
I don't think this supports one universe having, for lack of better words, countless higher dimensions.
@LephyrTheRevanchist
@Deagonx
What do you think?
If i understand correctly nobody ever tell that Kiara "omnipotence" extend to other higher dimmensions.I would recommend getting someone from the translation group to verify the translations for us.
"宙に縛られている。" = "(Tied/Bound) in/to the (space/air)." Not universe.
The statement is that she got "higher dimensional senses" and became "Omnipotent in this dimension."
Yes, the path to omnipotence is endless, but nothing implies that Kiara's "omnipotence" extends to countless other higher dimensions when we are only told that she became "Omnipotent in this dimension" specifically.
I don't think this supports one universe having, for lack of better words, countless higher dimensions.
@LephyrTheRevanchist
@Deagonx
What do you think?
The higher dimmension is already accepted in the verse, and kiara already accepted as one too (without this feat) it's why we talk about itHate to be that blue-name who picks at an argument for a verse they are not 100% familiar with, but I wanted to mention this since it’s probably relevant to other verses as well.
Is a higher dimensional guy being omnipotent in comparison to a lower dimensional guy really enough to show an ontological difference between them…. ?
So like if X character in X dimension is omnipotent in comparison to Y character in Y dimension, it would hold the same weight as X character viewing Y character akin to fiction ?
Oh, didn’t know that stuff applied for this as well.The higher dimmension is already accepted in the verse, and kiara already accepted as one too (without this feat) it's why we talk about it
I think your OCR screwed up ‘cause it picked up an incorrect kanji. It picked up 字宙 rather than 宇宙 which we actually see in the raw. Just wanted to point that out.Snip of you pasting the raws
人間の知覚、全能への道には果てがない。どれほどの超越者になろうと上には上がいる」 「たとえば埋葬機関にいつのまにか混ざっていたシスターですね。彼女はサバトによって悪魔化し、高次元の感覚を得た事でこの次元では全能になったと言います。 ですが、そんな彼女ですらまだ物質に縛られている。この宇宙に縛られている。 |
Wow. Those two are super alike. Thanks for the help.I think your OCR screwed up ‘cause it picked up an incorrect kanji. It picked up 字宙 rather than 宇宙 which we actually see in the raw. Just wanted to point that out.
So.....do you agree?Wow. Those two are super alike. Thanks for the help.
You forgot the part where it says there's no end to perception as well.Let's break down the situation in the following statements:
- There are countless levels of transcendence to [true] omnipotence.
- Kiara has "higher dimensional senses"
- Kiara became "Omnipotent in this dimension."
- Kiara "is still bound by her material form――still bound to this universe."
There's no such thing as true omnipotence. It literally says there's no end to the path of omnipotence. Omnipotence, transcendence and perception are all stated to go on endlessly but would always have an higher level. Idk where you got countless transcendence<True Omnipotence. They are all one of the same.While we can derive the following:
- Countless levels of transcendence < True Omnipotence
Kiara's higher d perception>3D. A random higher d person>Kiara's higher d perception. Ann hypothetical endless d person' perception>any d below. That's how it goes.
- Kiara > "This Dimension" = 3-D
What do you mean by 1 universe? There's only one universe in the first place.
- Kiara < Dimensionality of One Universe
You missed the point based on the reasons I gave above.We cannot derive the following:
- Countless levels of transcendence < Dimensionality of One Universe < True Omnipotence
"this universe"Kiara "is still bound by her material form――still bound to this universe."
Once again, wouldn't make sense narratively.The term universe is contextual based it could refer to the texture of humanity which was said to have only 3 vectors of space and 1 as a separate one hence 4D.
She obviously isn't beyond "the" the universe. The people who scale to it are Zeus and they started freaking out when Zeus was said to have the power to destroy so if wouldn't make sense for them to freak out when people like Kiara who are way below the scaling chain were to scale to that; I still question the validity of the Zeus claim tho.
This is pretty reasonable, but the hierarchy of higher dimensional beings can't apply to things outside of the universe, the outer universe was described as being beyond reasoning and how the laws of the universe are completely not applicable to it so presumably even the notion of higher dimensions.
This is why inhabitants of it like outer gods are also said to be above logic, can break logic and are said to be Incomprehensible even through Limitless wisdom
I'd like to note that the nasuverse has never been demonstrated to work under universe^universe^universe, that's another reason why saying this is not even reasonable.While we can derive the following:
We cannot derive the following:
- Countless levels of transcendence < True Omnipotence
- Kiara > "This Dimension" = 3-D
- Kiara < Dimensionality of One Universe
- Countless levels of transcendence < Dimensionality of One Universe < True Omnipotence
Never mentioned so there's no reason to say we shouldn't derive that because nobody did.True Omnipotence
That being?I share Firestorm and Lephyr's thoughts on the matter.
The infinite dimensions do not necessarily need to apply to the universe.That being?
How did you derive:You forgot the part where it says there's no end to perception as well.
She has higher d perception which automatically made her omnipotent to 3D. Since there's no end to it, even if she had 10000000000000 d perception, there would still be an higher level since no matter how transcendent you become, there is STILL an higher d level which is why she is still bound to the universe. Inf higher universe.
Lephyr literally didn't say anything. And I pretty much debunked Firestorm so instead of just agreeing with them like I predicted you would, give your own reasoning as to why you agree with them.I share Firestorm and Lephyr's thoughts on the matter.
What are you even saying now?How did you derive:
- Countless levels of transcendence < Dimensionality of One Universe
- from:
- "There is no upper bound to human perception――no end to the path toward omnipotence."
- Kiara has "higher dimensional senses"
- Kiara > 3-D
- Kiara "is still bound by her material form――still bound to this universe."
- There is no connection between them.
maybe chill out just the tiniest bit. the discussion just started, and everyone is explaining their views and coming to an understanding. no need to get heated yetLephyr literally didn't say anything. And I pretty much debunked Firestorm so instead of just agreeing with them like I predicted you would, give your own reasoning as to why you agree with them.
What are you even saying now?
The scan explicitly states that there are no limits to the path levels of transcendence and afterwards compared Kiara who has higher d senses as still being bound to the universe because of the limitless transcendence not affecting the ability to transcend the universe itself. How is it so hard to understand, Even non-staff members are able to grasp this correctly.
No that comment just reeks intentional ignorance and this isn''t the first time. It's happened on the mooncell crt as well. How can you see a statement that says there's no end to the levels of omnipotence, human perception and TRANSCENDENCE because THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE HIGHER LEVELS and afterwards compares Kiara, a being with a higher D sense STILL BOUND TO THE UNIVERSE because it doesn't matter what higher d stuff she has it would remain bound to the universe yet you still twist my words and what I'm implying. Maybe no one wants to speak out, but I'm going to say it. If you are a staff member and you intentionally ignore blatant details like this, which would in turn affect the verse or crt, then your position needs to be questioned. Especially when other staff members like Deagonx for example would just agree with the admin without any sort of elaboration. IT IS ANNOYING ASF.maybe chill out just the tiniest bit. the discussion just started, and everyone is explaining their views and coming to an understanding. no need to get heated yet
I'm just trying to calm the waters here, because I know you're annoyed. I want this thread to go as civily as possible. I'm not saying to not be annoyed, just to take a bit to discuss this in a constructive way, so there are no future problems.No that comment just reeks intentional ignorance and this isn''t the first time. It's happened on the mooncell crt as well. How can you see a statement that says there's no end to the levels of omnipotence, human perception and TRANSCENDENCE because THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE HIGHER LEVELS and afterwards compares Kiara, a being with a higher D sense STILL BOUND TO THE UNIVERSE because it doesn't matter what higher d stuff she has it would remain bound to the universe yet you still twist my words and what I'm implying. Maybe no one wants to speak out, but I'm going to say it. If you are a staff member and you intentionally ignore blatant details like this, which would in turn affect the verse or crt, then your position needs to be questioned. Especially when other staff members like Deagonx for example would just agree with the admin without any sort of elaboration. IT IS ANNOYING ASF.
Alright man. It's just frustrating how something as simple as ABC gets turned into AB=CB≠AC and I have to explain the same thing 50 times like I'm schooling someone. The mooncell crt was the exact same thing. The majority that agreed here werent blind when they gave their reasonings. Even those who usually disagreed with Nasuverse crt understood the legitimacy of this simple crt.I'm just trying to calm the waters here, because I know you're annoyed. I want this thread to go as civily as possible. I'm not saying to not be annoyed, just to take a bit to discuss this in a constructive way, so there are no future problems.
trust me, I understand that it can be irritating to explain something that you believe to be knowledgeable in to someone who may or may not see it the way you do (I do this with my mom every once in a while). if you want to talk about how you feel about the other thread, let me know, we can talk about it.Alright man. It's just frustrating how something as simple as ABC gets turned into AB=CB≠AC and I have to explain the same thing 50 times like I'm schooling someone. The mooncell crt was the exact same thing. The majority that agreed here werent blind when they gave their reasonings. Even those who usually disagreed with Nasuverse crt understood the legitimacy of this simple crt.
Like for ******* real!Im still wondering how this CRT have 3 pages when it’s literally soo straight forward
Consider this an official warning to tone it down.No that comment just reeks intentional ignorance and this isn''t the first time. It's happened on the mooncell crt as well. How can you see a statement that says there's no end to the levels of omnipotence, human perception and TRANSCENDENCE because THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE HIGHER LEVELS and afterwards compares Kiara, a being with a higher D sense STILL BOUND TO THE UNIVERSE because it doesn't matter what higher d stuff she has it would remain bound to the universe yet you still twist my words and what I'm implying. Maybe no one wants to speak out, but I'm going to say it. If you are a staff member and you intentionally ignore blatant details like this, which would in turn affect the verse or crt, then your position needs to be questioned. Especially when other staff members like Deagonx for example would just agree with the admin without any sort of elaboration. IT IS ANNOYING ASF.
Also, the discussion didn't just start. It's already 3 pages long and the majority agreed for blatant reasonings but the staff members are intentionally making it complicated for no good reason.
High 1-B: High Hyperverse level
Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy structures whose size is equivalent to a countably infinite number of qualitative sizes above a universal model, usually represented in fiction by endless hierarchies of layers of existence, each succeeding one completely trivializing the previous into insignificance, or more generally a space with countably infinite dimensions.
this guyAlright, since it looks like some of us need extra help in comprehending this crt,