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Possibly cosmology Update for Nasuverse
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- First of all, this is from Extra, not from the FGO material.
This is about Arcueid. She is superior to all other True Ancestors because she is a copy that succeeded, the only one to compare with the true alter ego of the planet.
This is about Arcueid. She is superior to all other True Ancestors because she is a copy that succeeded, the only one to compare with the true alter ego of the planet.
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No offense, but what a you on about?. She just compare the relationship between higher and lower dimension, literally the sentence is about that
So if there is nothing prove +1D, why it must be the other way around which is 1-A level of difference?. It could be neither +1D and 1-A thus mean nothing at all, no upgrade lol. The absence of evidences is not always supporting for other argument, it could well mean that feats, statements in question floating in a vacuum and can't be determined
Also conceptual difference in what?. Conceptual difference could get you to at least 1-A if you have enough evidences they arr conceptually difference at the level of platonic concept, or undeterminable conceptually difference mean nothing
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If this is the case, I want to try this by removing R>F. there would be at least a High 1-B Guarantee
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The R > F isn't really the problem, the thing is what kind of R > F it is, which in this case as i have said which is false R > F that add +1D rather than true R > F that grant 1-A. There is also supposely anti-feats but well since you dropped 1-A argument i will not repeat the thing. About High 1-B, i will take a look when i have time, but i don't remember there are infinite layers of texture, only that is texture is infinite in size. And only a handful number of texture, the outer layer is where human live, the reverse side of the world which divine spirits, phantasma beast, etc.... retreated to after the Age of Gods end, the infamous Avalon realm which is 6 dimensional
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If it gives 1-A I can keep it up
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but there is R>F
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Agreedbut there is R>F
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that seems best.
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High 1-B are geometric axes, there is no such thing in fate.
I don't see any need for this, especially because they didn't give any coherent argument to say that it's wrong or any inconsistency they pointed out, if they're going to do this I ask that they have at least one Valid argument.
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No offense, but what a you on about?. She just compare the relationship between higher and lower dimension, literally the sentence is about that
So if there is nothing prove +1D, why it must be the other way around which is 1-A level of difference?. It could be neither +1D and 1-A thus mean nothing at all, no upgrade lol. The absence of evidences is not always supporting for other argument, it could well mean that feats, statements in question floating in a vacuum and can't be determined
Although I ask you to read my previous explanation about R>F as a complement, which is very important, I will summarize:
(平面: Refers to something that has a surface like a sheet of paper or a screen; in this context, it refers to a sheet since it is within the illustrated book.)
I will be able to see from a comprehensive perspective my past (過去), present (現在), and future (未来), which were in the book (本) until now, as if they were records (記録) at any moment.
(She insists on using 中にいた (naka ni ita), meaning "was inside," referring to the fact that she was inside the book. The surface of the "scroll" is an event from a lower dimension, but the perspective is that of a book.)
Now, the textures, as I already shared about Oberon's quote:
The gods themselves are already conceptual, there are infinite gods. If you want proof of this I can bring it too.
Oberon says that the illustrated books are materializations of dreams. They are fictional stories made by someone, which was exactly the case of Morgan. She created the materialization of a dream she wished for. He mentions that the Queen’s Calendar is a fairy tale written by Morgan.
(And about dreams, I ask you to read my previous explanation to understand better.)
This True Ether is the primordial source that establishes the gods.
It was not humans who ruled this era. It was the gods. It could even be said that they were nature or concepts.
There are gods in the sky, gods on the earth, gods in the sea. Love is a god, hatred is a god, war and death are also gods.
The world belongs to the gods, and it can be said that it is, itself, the gods.
- Previous explanation of qualitative superiority:
In the modern era, these gods are just divine spirits, but they are still concepts, the primordial gods are of a higher dimension than the divine spirits, ishtar is proof of this, she herself states in the babylon singularity that her primordial version is of higher dimensions:
Roman also mentions divine spirits are of a higher dimension:
Servants are conceptual in ether from which they manifest:
This states that Servants are attributed concepts ishtar is also a.
Nasu also mentions this in the interview about LB5.
Source:
【FGO】奈須きのこ氏＆武内崇氏が語る5年目、そして6年目の『FGO』。オリュンポス終了までで第2部はまだ半分の進行度 | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com
『Fate』シリーズの生みの親である奈須きのこ氏、武内崇氏へのインタビューを敢行。スマホゲーム『Fate/Grand Order』（FGO）5周年の裏側や、第2部 第5章の詳報を語っていただいた。
www.famitsu.com
When Chaos was absorbing spiritrons from Earth, it also absorbed concepts:
Nemo also mentions that a god manifests the nature and concepts of the planet.
And Romes, before that, explicitly states that the gods that exist in the world are deeply tied to nature and concepts, being the very phenomena that constitute the world:
We also know that Artemis from LB5 was impossible to defeat and would require "a weapon of a divine spirit of superior concept" to be destroyed.
In the battle of Astharth Origin against Ishtar Space, after becoming a new galaxy, Astharth mentions: "Same spiritual base, same concept, same origin. It is acceptable that you, 'I,' rise to the same dimensional level as 'I.'"
https://ibb.co/M2WcXyV
Even the strength is conceptually different between them.
Nemo himself states that being a mixture of a heroic spirit and a divine one, he is a conceptual existence.
There are many other pieces of evidence showing the conceptual differences in the verse between the dimensions ruled by gods, as well as the Holy Grails themselves, which are also omnipotent shadows of their superior dimensions. (As I have explained before about omnipotence and interaction.)
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The post provided evidence based on Rin Tohsaka's lines in Extra CCC, and the one who claimed to be wrong without any argument or proof was you:
And you keep spreading incorrect information without knowing the work. This contributes to the spread of misinformation, and it only makes you lose credibility here, as the work of those who dedicated time and effort to study this, like the person who made the post and me who provided additional evidence, is ignored by people who simply don't care about any of this and are too lazy to read. But okay, I'll draw it for you
1 Yes mentions infinite layers in the human texture in Solomon singularity section 12 and countless layers in section 5 of Lostbelt 5.2, In addition to there, as the friend posted, mentioning that they are higher dimensions.
2 Avalon is not just 6D, and Avalon is also a texture. You confirm that you agree with Avalon being 6D, and that would mean you agree with me that textures are higher dimensions.
this is confirmed in garden of avalon:
And there are also quotes that beings from the inner sea (Avalon) dream of the surface (human texture), that is, Avalon also has R>F. If you want, I can bring more evidence.
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I'm waiting for a coherent reason for this, I proved all possible points to prove R>F, they didn't give even 1 counterargument.
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They are ignoring everything.but there is R>F
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huh???, so................what??, what incorrect information is this, and idk the work??, if idk the work, why i know Avalon? Reverse Side of the World, Human texture???
Higher dimension see lower dimension as flat scroll isn't R > F, seriously, true R > F mean you see something as complete nonexistent, flat scroll still an existing thing so, so unless you actually provide additional evidences for these suppose R > F, it isn't enough to meet the standard, i'm talking about the standard in general, not the work, what the hell are you on about i spreading misinformation?
Scan??
where? remind you, i do not trust your translation since you literally isolated kanji texts out which completely demolish their actual meaning
huh what? did i ever say i disagree with Avalon being 6D, also literally, Avalon being 6D because in F/Sn novel Fate route, the scabbard have statement that it capable of blocking all elemental attacks, up to six dimension, that is the reason for Avalon texture being 6D, it is the land where Saber went after her death and place for fairy
Also make 1 comment please, you can edit your comment, no need to make multiple reply
I Appreciate you because you used imgbb instead of imgur
Imgur isn't working for me and i don't know why
Imgur isn't working for me and i don't know why
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It seems like you didn't read any of the previous messages in the topic other than the ones I replied to. Read my previous explanation about R>F, a non-exiated "mass" of the plane, Rin is talking about an registration/event. the "plane" is the image of the past, present and future, which you can see like pages in the book, to say that it is "something" in a higher dimension is to say that time has mass, here it is not a two-dimensional thing, it has NEVER been quoted this in Japanese.
(平面: Refers to something that has a surface like a sheet of paper or a screen; in this context, it refers to a sheet since it is within the illustrated book.)
I will be able to see from a comprehensive perspective my past (過去), present (現在), and future (未来), which were in the book (本) until now, as if they were records (記録) at any moment.
(She insists on using 中にいた (naka ni ita), meaning "was inside," referring to the fact that she was inside the book. The surface of the "scroll" is an event from a lower dimension, but the perspective is that of a book.)
- Lostbelt 5.2 Section 5
無数 (Musū): "Incountable" or "numerous." The kanji represents something that cannot be counted due to its large quantity. Depending on the context, if it's related to concepts of cardinality, it is also used to describe something excessive or infinite in terms of number.
高次元 (Kōjigen): Higher dimension
低次元 (Teijigen): "Lower dimension" (Mash also mentions the countless layers where Musashi could go).
Proof of the kanji:
- Singularity Solomon Section 12
無限 (Mugen): "Infinite," infinite layers.
重ね (Kasane): "Overlay," "layer," or "stacking." It is referring to the infinite stories of humanity stacked (textures of humanity).
Proof of the kanji:
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What? Are you seriously confusing the hem of Avalon with the inland sea? You know it's limited, right?
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i will read all of these later, since it is midnight in my country now now, i need to sleep and go to work
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Ah, just noticed. There’s more than 6 nasu threads open, so this should be closed.
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Honestly, goofy ass way out.
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There is literally no reason to do this.
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Ok friend, I just want us to have a good consensus.
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They're unfortunately the rules of this site on thread limits.
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1. Antvasima talked about closing it anyway, due to near unanimous disagreementHonestly, goofy ass way out.
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why does”unanimous” get corrected to consensus
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They are not exactly the "same" as Avalon, there is the Avalon Barrier and the Avalon Site, one on the surface and one in the Inner Sea, the Artoria Barrier only uses 6 dimensions, It's the same as Lostbelt 6, but the real one has more, in reality, Lostbelt 6 itself showed that it had more, passing through the Reverse side they went through dimensional layers until the inner sea.
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You will never agree because you simply don't want it to pass, So "unanimity" Depending on you, you won't have it.
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What kind of rule is this that closes topics without even showing the inconsistency or the reason for being wrong? I simply showed all the possible requirements to apply it, Closing them without a prior reason is admitting that they only allow things based on their own preference.
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SameI Appreciate you because you used imgbb instead of imgur
Imgur isn't working for me and i don't know why
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I didn't create the topic, that's not my mistake, if you say why you left it open, It would be easier to take it to others or finish them.
The problem is not that it is one more open topic, Antvasima himself asked for the topic to be evaluated (none of the ones he mentioned have arrived yet) In other words, there is no reason to end with their absence yet.
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