MinatoSparkle
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I'm not sure how those are connected?
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
HelloThere1089
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Basically I'm thinking that the run up is kinda required for the Chidori, but moving your hand at the same exact speed prolly isn't. So the upper ceiling for the amp is likely the same for both but the user can do without moving their hand at the same speed as their running. Does that make sense. Idk why I didn't explain better.
MinatoSparkle
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Like Chidori can amp your combat speed but doesn't have to?
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Just randomly clocked that every hokage, no matter the philosophy, don't hesitate to sacrifice their lives for the village. Even Danzo who's probably the most extreme hokage.
That's sweet in a way
That's sweet in a way
HelloThere1089
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That's what I'm thinking but you need to check your presupposition first. If you think that Chidori itself amps your speed then my conclusion would be wrong. If you think you yourself need to run at a certain speed to attain Chidori then it would be right. I forgor to mention that. But the second option explains why the combat speed isn't amped consistently. Both interpretations however have their faults.
Ain't that right.
HelloThere1089
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Tbf, most characters would. But I get your point. It's an outcome of the value system that war creates. In a thriving economy, the average person can afford to be selfish.
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HelloThere1089
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I see. In that case you have two options. If there is a statement that emphasizes running speed more than combat speed, then you can conclude only running speed is amped. On the other hand if there's a statement that makes it clear that lightning nature's property is the reason for the amp, then you can conclude it's an equal amp for combat speed too. Of course you can have more nuance. But these are my immediate thoughts.
MinatoSparkle
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Unfortunately it's vague hence my uncertainty
HelloThere1089
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I figured.
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How
It's whack cause, like, we see people who are normally on par with the chidori user reacting to or even matching the thrust without any amps of their own (unless we count the Rasengan thrust as a speed amp, which is goofy), so I'd defo say it's rather inconsistent tbh. But apparently it's impossible to use effectively without the Sharingan, regardless of whether or not you run up first or just immediately thrust it from short range.
I feel like it's a case where the lore says one thing, while the feats consistently say another.
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I mean… By laws of physics the thrust would be faster than the running speed as that combat speed is added on top of the running speed, no? (I.e., Moving your Hand while standing on a moving car, etc).
Iirc, the databook says:
- It’s a thrust done at High Speed
- The body has to be “activated” in preparation to use it
MinatoSparkle
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Tenchi Bridge and Itachi Pursuit are goodHow
(confrontation too but that's more understandable)I mean...
Sasuke did use it against Sakura and Naruto tbf
Tragic
HelloThere1089
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Correct, but just like everything in Physics, it depends on the frame of reference. If I'm on a train moving at superhuman speeds, even if I slowly move my hand forward, to an outside observer my hand would move at superhuman speeds, but for me it's just normal hand movement. Similarly just because a character's travel speed is FTL+, if they throw a punch while travelling, the punch might seem to be moving at FTL+ speeds, but their combat speed isn't necessarily at that level unless they can move it just as fast when they're at rest.
Yeah that's what Sparkle said too I believe. But tbh I've not really revised my Naruto lore in a while so can't confirm.
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Compared to what came before and what comes after, they're mid asf. They have standout moments within them (Sasuke vs Deidara for instance), but pacing and consistency wise they're not quite up to par with Naruto's best. They're still alright overall, though. They're only "ass" compared to Naruto's high standards.Tenchi Bridge and Itachi Pursuit are good
Day 2 is outstanding. Peak shit.
Day 1 though genuinely put my ass to sleep, soooo yeah. Can't in good conscience rate the arc that highly overall because of that.
mean...
And Hidari used it pretty well too if you ask me, but apparently it's still not good enough
This is what I mean by the lore saying one thing and the feats showing another. Cause Kakashi legit had to invent a whole new Jutsu specifically because he can no longer use the Chidori, so like idk tbh. It's definitely not very consistent imo.
It be like that sometimes.
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y’all must be on the East Coast or in another Country. Y’all way too active at this time in the morning 
(PST For Me)
(PST For Me)
HelloThere1089
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We don't sleepy’all must be on the East Coast or in another Country. Y’all way too active at this time in the morning
MinatoSparkle
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Meh fair enough. I'd say Tenchi Bride is quite solid in those areas though (Sai's arc is underrated)
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Adding to my wishlist of things to ask Kishimoto aboutAnd Hidari used it pretty well too if you ask me, but apparently it's still not good enough
This is what I mean by the lore saying one thing and the feats showing another. Cause Kakashi legit had to invent a whole new Jutsu specifically because he can no longer use the Chidori, so like idk tbh. It's definitely not very consistent imo.
It be like that sometimes.
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Regarding the Sukunahikona rods, are their Movement speed impacted by the strength of the Otsutsuki? Or the level of Sukunahikona itself (Number of Stokes)? Or both?
Time Skip Kawaki has a Completed Kokugan Eye like Isshiki. Is his Rod speed equivalent despite not having the same level of power as Isshiki? Pre-TS Kawaki has more stokes in his eye than Jigen, is his Rods faster?
Time Skip Kawaki has a Completed Kokugan Eye like Isshiki. Is his Rod speed equivalent despite not having the same level of power as Isshiki? Pre-TS Kawaki has more stokes in his eye than Jigen, is his Rods faster?
HelloThere1089
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We pm don't know
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Boruto doesn’t need to know Chidori to use Kirin, does he?
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Not as far as we know, no.
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Everything goes on at Wrath's basement
HelloThere1089
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You know what I really need tho? A drink, cuz this week is not playing nice at all.
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most links using https://imgur.com don't work anymore (As far as a can tell with my limited seaching the links for the tailed beast still work)
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Must be some peak level basement coz the stuff cooked there is most times gold
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You love Gaara, so do I. I will tell you about the genjutsu and Prime Hiruzen CRT that I have hidden from everyone for now. It will be at least High 6-A and at most 5-C.
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You and I both
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Do you guys think Kurama's Bijū bombs are proportionally stronger than those of the other Bijū? In a pound-for-pound sense.
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At 50%, nah. At 100%, yes (By Virtue of Size). I point to Relentless Biju Dama.
I think that Unless it’s Super Charged, it’s comparable with him being able to shoot more, faster.
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Most definitely.
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The one he used to match the big one by 5 tailed beast was definitely uncharged
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It’s also still not a Standard Biju Dama and is significantly more charged than the standard.
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Pretty sure kurama made it immediately.It’s also still not a Standard Biju Dama and is significantly more charged than the standard.
We've seen the size of kurama charged bomb. There is a huge difference
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Brother… fast charging exists… you do know that, right? He popped out the 5W for the 25W.
That said, the “point” is it’s loaded with more chakra than the standard. Not that he couldn’t make it fast. He already showed he can:
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Naa I disagree.... I think that is kurama standard bijuudama. Even look at the scan you sent. The first image the tbb there is already bigger than any uncharged bijuudama from any tailed beast..Brother… fast charging exists… you do know that, right? He popped out the 5W for the 25W.
That said, the “point” is it’s loaded with more chakra than the standard. Not that he couldn’t make it fast. He already showed he can:
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Kurama can make regular sized ones. So, no, I wouldn't say the one he used against the Bijū is like his regular sized one. I wouldn't say it's his absolute strongest either, though.
Anyway, the reason behind my question doesn't have much to do with the 1v5 Bijūdama clash. It's actually about the one used during the Hashirama vs Madara flashback.
As you all know, Gyūki can somewhat tank his Bijūdama's explosion even while injured and extremely fatigued. This implies that Bijū can physically withstand their TBBs, at least to some extent. This is supported by the Juubi tanking his TBB, KN4 withstanding his compressed TBB's shockwave INTERNALLY, and so on and so forth...
The reason I'm questioning whether Kurama might possibly be an outlier is that his Bijūdama seemingly one-shot Hashirama's Wood Golem with his TBB using an uncharged standard sized TBB.
For those who don't know, the Wood Golem's stated to be equal to Kurama in the Databook, and it's directly shown when it caught his TBB (non-exploded), which are still at least comparable to a Bijū's physicals (as per Sakura Hiden, and other showings).
So if Kurama's regular ass Bijū bombs can one-shot physical rivals, then perhaps they're just proportionally much stronger than those of regular Bijū? Or maybe the Wood Golem thing is just an outlier, I have no idea tbh
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Bro… This is literally the first one we see.
The big one is not his standard and it is clearly charged with more Chakra than his standard.
