Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[garp2]

How would you find a mass for Toneri's attack?

You didn't understand me brother, did you? I am just denying the method was used because first the beam sliced the moon in half and the action of the two halves happened after the force that sliced the moon in half went out so what caused the 2 halves to separate from each other was the remaining energy/ part of the main who already get out
It's up to you to prove the energy needed to slice the moon is equal to the action happened after that force went out

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You didn't understand me brother, did you? I am just denying the method was used because first the beam sliced the moon in half and the action of the two halves happened after the force that sliced the moon in half went out so what caused the 2 halves to separate from each other was the remaining energy/ part of the main who already get out
It's up to you to prove the energy needed to slice the moon is equal to the action happened after that force went out

Um uh conservation of energy gg...

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Once in a blue moon

Post in thread 'Minato Profile Revisions'

Jun 8, 2021

Making the change might be fine for now since Sage Mode Minato is in a bit of a scaling vacuum so no other profiles will need to be updated, but Minato's profile itself will need fixing when the other profiles are fixed.

• Damage3245

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Post in thread 'P2 Naruto AP Upgrade (+Changes to related characters)'

May 10, 2023

@Damage3245 So do you approve of everything that you haven't mentioned?

Sure. We can handle the next topics on a fresh CRT.

• Damage3245

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Post in thread 'Rasengan Barrage is more than a 2x amp'

Oct 13, 2023

Yeah, I'm more or less in the same boat as you. Only one I'm sure I agree with is the planetary Rasengan since it's confirmed to be an enhanced version of the RB in the same scan.

I'm in agreement with this. I don't think it should extend to his other techniques.

• Damage3245

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"I'm in agreement with this. I don't think it should extend to his other techniques"


im crying man this isnt even agreement bro's motive is clear he knows its irrefutable he just wants to limit the 2x as much as possible



nice crts on your end tho sparkle, i used to think you were an inverse merchant when I was new

 

[garp2]

As repeatedly stated in that thread, conservation of energy. We don't need the speed or anything of Toneri's sword. Since the KE of the moon splitting apart derives itself entirely from the energy of Toneri's sword swing. Aka Toneri's sword swing's energy (AP in this case) MUST be at least equal to the moon KE from the calc.

And that's why I am denying this method because the beam already went out so the energy remained inside must not be the same, the speed of beam was too fast that the moon reacted after the force which is the beam itself went out so the moon action is irrelevant to the beam

 

[MinatoSparkle]

"I'm in agreement with this. I don't think it should extend to his other techniques"


im crying man this isnt even agreement bro's motive is clear he knows its irrefutable he just wants to limit the 2x as much as possible

It's something

nice crts on your end tho sparkle, i used to think you were an inverse merchant when I was new

I'm not sure what you mean but thanks

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

It's something

I'm not sure what you mean but thanks

I meant I initially perceived you as someone that only cares about mid tiers inverse stuff so seeing you make crts about RSB being a 2x Amp was a nice and refreshing is all

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I meant I initially perceived you as someone that only cares about mid tiers inverse stuff so seeing you make crts about RSB being a 2x Amp was a nice and refreshing is all

Well that is what I care most about but yeah I'm a bit of a jack of all trades (or master of all )

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

And that's why I am denying this method because the beam already went out so the energy remained inside must not be the same, the speed of beam was too fast that the moon reacted after the force which is the beam itself went out so the moon action is irrelevant to the beam

Uh no, but you're free to hold that opinion, I don't really care to convince you in general. Quite literally repeating what was in that thread.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Does Base Naruto and Hinata destroying the Tenseigan sphere amount to anything AP-wise, or is it context-based? Been a while since I watched that movie.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Does Base Naruto and Hinata destroying the Tenseigan sphere amount to anything AP-wise, or is it context-based? Been a while since I watched that movie.

I wanna say that feat has been tried to death in upgrading Hinata, but is consistently debunked. I think it probably is nice for base Last Naruto tho

 

[Testarossa002]

Does Base Naruto and Hinata destroying the Tenseigan sphere amount to anything AP-wise, or is it context-based? Been a while since I watched that movie.

Yeah. High 6-A
Isn't used anymore because Base Naruto now scales higher than the value

Naruto the Last: The (not so) Dark (In)Side of the Moon

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[JohnHendrix212]

I wanna say that feat has been tried to death in upgrading Hinata, but is consistently debunked. I think it probably is nice for base Last Naruto tho

Yeah. High 6-A
Isn't used anymore because Base Naruto now scales higher than the value

Naruto the Last: The (not so) Dark (In)Side of the Moon

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ah, gotcha.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Yeah. High 6-A
Isn't used anymore because Base Naruto now scales higher than the value

Naruto the Last: The (not so) Dark (In)Side of the Moon

vsbattles.fandom.com

Wasn't it Low 5-B before?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yeah no, Ay never compared his Top speed back then to his top speed Now. He only said “you only the second to have ever outrun my fastest punch”. Minato dodging his top speed in their very first encounter when we know that they continue to clash with each other many times after that very incident does not mean his top speed remained constant and never changed.

Think about it like this, would it still be his fastest punch if he got way faster? Would Usain Bolt say someone outsprinted him at his fastest if the moment in question was a race in his elementary school days far from his prime? Doesn't make much semantical sense, does it?

Minato even said the next time we meet, we will be fighting as kages.


Raikage goes on to say they fought several times after their first encounter. Meaning they most likely fought as kages. With Kage Minato still being faster than his top speed as a kage. Hence him saying Minato was the only one faster than him when he was alive. However, that was 16 years ago.

They didn't fight as Kage, at least not verifiably. Minato only became Hokage after the war was over.

When Ay was using V1 in the fight against Team Taka, his V1 mode was started to be on par with the Yellow Flash. However, Note the statement “there is still” because we will call back to it.

His nerve transmission and reaction speed are stated to be on par with Minato, not his movement or combat speed. Cee's also not that good a source but I'm fine if you wanna take the statement as an author insert.

Later on as the fight progressed and Sasuke used MS, then we see AY ramped up his LCM form again, this stage is called the V2, in this state his chakra is at Biju level. He never used this the first time he fought Minato. Unless you want to say Jonin A4 who fought Minato has Biju-level chakra, but I digress.

Well he did box with Gyuki and would've been stronger than Bee at the time (who had seemingly attained Bijuu Mode and was just working on his Bijuudamas) considering he became Raikage, so it wouldn't be inconsistent

Further evidence, notice his hair is not spiking up as much in this fight. Suggesting he possibly didn't have the V2 at this age.

His headband is stopping it from flowing fully, you can see that the sides of his hair are still flowing which they don't in V1 afaik

Also, I don't know why you keep acting like Ay was some kid at the time and is only an adult in Shippuden. He was almost 30 during the war

Those statements were for V1 Raikage

The Data book statement does not cap Raikage V2 to be only relative to the yellow flash. It says specifically,

“It could overtake even naruto in his tailed beast charkra mode and it boasts a god-like speed, not inferior even to the Yellow Flash"

Notice it says over take Naruto in KCM then it showed there earlier interactions when he was in V1, however later when he used V2 he was blitzed by Naruto Top speed.

I had a feeling this would be an argument. I see the logic and I agreed with it myself for a long time, but I don't think it's concrete or consistent with other scalings.

One part of the statement is describing a specific scene, but then it branches out to talk about the LCM's speed in general. V1 is a fanmade term after all, it's not like there's an actual different jutsu being used when he goes into "V2." A statement that's hyping up the overall technique's speed only being in reference to a suppressed version of it would be odd to say the least.

But more importantly, Minato scales to KCM Naruto as you said yourself, who is comparable to BM Bee, and even at 1/14th of his maximum chakra is at least comparable to Base Bee. This is essential because Bee scales to Suppressed V2 Ay, who would naturally be beyond FP V1 Ay. Thus Jonin Minato~KCM Naruto>>Fatigued KCM Naruto~/>Base Bee~Suppressed V2 Ay>V1 Ay.

There's also the fact that 3T FKS Sasuke reacted to and tagged V1 Ay, and even though he had a Chidori amp, that's still 3T FKS Sasuke, compared to KCM Naruto who's like 2 solid tiers faster. Not to mention mfing JUGO reacting to V1 Ay, if barely. That guy is not a FP KCM Naruto rival.

Meaning KCM naruto top speed > Adult V2 Raikage top speed> Adult V1 Raikage top speed ~ KCM Naruto regular speed ~ Yellow Flash > Jonin Raikage top speed


Again this is what I have a problem with, Double lariat does not have a Static Ap and Speed. That scan was making reference to the Double lariat that Adult Raikage in V1 and Samehada enhanced 8 tail cloaked Bee used against Kisame. You have to be relative in strength and speed to use double lariat, which would make Adult V1 Raikage ~ Enhanced 8-tail cloaked Bee at that moment.

https://imgur.com/a/YFfzy5O

Even young bee and Ay can use Double lariat. This double lariat can not be the same speed and strength as the one used against kisame, even Ay had to tone down his own strength any time they used it when much younger.

I'm not sure what you're arguing with this part?

 

[Samlex1234]

God-tier scaling is a mess on the wiki right now, Kishimoto has blessed this verse with so many feats for god-tiers that are more than enough to last to Saruto. But somehow everyone from Madara - Kaguya - Momoshiki - Fused Momoshiki - Jigen - Tbv Boruto - Isshiki - Baryon mode somehow scaled to the same Casual feet that Hagoromo performed.

We have people like Kaguya who before the second IT chakra absorption had so much chakra a Hagoromo-level Madara could not handle. Meanwhile, she has various feats herself but it is just ignored.

A simple Fused Momo is at least = Momo + kin Ap is not accepted. Meanwhile, we have dragon ball characters like Goku going from solar system to low multiversal in his Super Saiyan god form which he achieved by Six righteous Saiyans holding hands in a circle and transferring their ki into Goku. This would later affect the entire cast as many characters would later reach that level Via training, Eg, Krillin who was only star level before that.

Now let's contrast with the Naruto verse when the Uzuhiko came out. A CRT was immediately proposed to cap the Verse, However when we make the same argument for Boruto Uzuhiko that energy interaction doesn't always mean 1+1. It is ignored. The same feat that we can't even determine the amount of Planetary Charkra he used both times it was used, is supposed to cap the verse at planetary? Inconsistency and pure bias everywhere

 

[Tomboy11]

Ngl, I think someone like Damage is essential here. Other fandoms not having someone to filter BS out of their revisions just give the impression that Damage is unfairly limiting the verses he oversees.

But I do agree that he's a bit too skeptical. I honestly don't remember a major Naruto upgrade where he agreed at all.

U all surger coating it ..he is over skeptical and can seem very dismissive ..if I'm not mistaken last year there was like a meme going around because he said you all should over look some scans because he didn't agree with the upgrade .

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Saruto

Who?

 

[Nierre]

A simple Fused Momo is at least = Momo + kin

it literally is

 

[Tomboy11]

Also saying Omnipotence can warp/create universes/reality when it can't even warp/create photos is a big jump.

You do know eida has no idea on how to use it right ?

 

[Tomboy11]

Yeah. High 6-A
Isn't used anymore because Base Naruto now scales higher than the value

Naruto the Last: The (not so) Dark (In)Side of the Moon

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Now that you graduated ...time for u to become a full time "upgrade Naruto threader" lol

 

[SlendVeny]

U all surger coating it ..he is over skeptical and can seem very dismissive ..if I'm not mistaken last year there was like a meme going around because he said you all should over look some scans because he didn't agree with the upgrade .

IIRC, that was the one where someone went "we can't just overlook things," and Damage, in a poorly phrased statement, said "we literally do it all the time," instead of the way it was meant, which was "you guys literally do it all the time."

It was just a mistyping, I believe.



Anyway, just to make sure I'm not accused of "glazing" or whatever people say, uh... Damage 3245 of deez nuts, gottem.

 

[Samlex1234]

Think about it like this, would it still be his fastest punch if he got way faster? Would Usain Bolt say someone outsprinted him at his fastest if the moment in question was a race in his elementary school days far from his prime? Doesn't make much semantical sense, does it?

They didn't fight as Kage, at least not verifiably. Minato only became Hokage after the war was over.

His nerve transmission and reaction speed are stated to be on par with Minato, not his movement or combat speed. Cee's also not that good a source but I'm fine if you wanna take the statement as an author insert.

Well he did box with Gyuki and would've been stronger than Bee at the time (who had seemingly attained Bijuu Mode and was just working on his Bijuudamas) considering he became Raikage, so it wouldn't be inconsistent

His headband is stopping it from flowing fully, you can see that the sides of his hair are still flowing which they don't in V1 afaik

Also, I don't know why you keep acting like Ay was some kid at the time and is only an adult in Shippuden. He was almost 30 during the war

I had a feeling this would be an argument. I see the logic and I agreed with it myself for a long time, but I don't think it's concrete or consistent with other scalings.

One part of the statement is describing a specific scene, but then it branches out to talk about the LCM's speed in general. V1 is a fanmade term after all, it's not like there's an actual different jutsu being used when he goes into "V2." A statement that's hyping up the overall technique's speed only being in reference to a suppressed version of it would be odd to say the least.

But more importantly, Minato scales to KCM Naruto as you said yourself, who is comparable to BM Bee, and even at 1/14th of his maximum chakra is at least comparable to Base Bee. This is essential because Bee scales to Suppressed V2 Ay, who would naturally be beyond FP V1 Ay. Thus Jonin Minato~KCM Naruto>>Fatigued KCM Naruto~/>Base Bee~Suppressed V2 Ay>V1 Ay.

There's also the fact that 3T FKS Sasuke reacted to and tagged V1 Ay, and even though he had a Chidori amp, that's still 3T FKS Sasuke, compared to KCM Naruto who's like 2 solid tiers faster. Not to mention mfing JUGO reacting to V1 Ay, if barely. That guy is not a FP KCM Naruto rival.

I'm not sure what you're arguing with this part?

I spent close to 2 straight hours typing a reply for this and it somehow got removed. Where I'm I going to start from now

 

[Testarossa002]

Now that you graduated ...time for u to become a full time "upgrade Naruto threader" lol

Nah
There's hardly any new thing about the verse