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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Tomboy11 said:
U all surger coating it ..he is over skeptical and can seem very dismissive ..if I'm not mistaken last year there was like a meme going around because he said you all should over look some scans because he didn't agree with the upgrade .
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IIRC, that was the one where someone went "we can't just overlook things," and Damage, in a poorly phrased statement, said "we literally do it all the time," instead of the way it was meant, which was "you guys literally do it all the time."

It was just a mistyping, I believe.



Anyway, just to make sure I'm not accused of "glazing" or whatever people say, uh... Damage 3245 of deez nuts, gottem.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Think about it like this, would it still be his fastest punch if he got way faster? Would Usain Bolt say someone outsprinted him at his fastest if the moment in question was a race in his elementary school days far from his prime? Doesn't make much semantical sense, does it?

They didn't fight as Kage, at least not verifiably. Minato only became Hokage after the war was over.

His nerve transmission and reaction speed are stated to be on par with Minato, not his movement or combat speed. Cee's also not that good a source but I'm fine if you wanna take the statement as an author insert.

Well he did box with Gyuki and would've been stronger than Bee at the time (who had seemingly attained Bijuu Mode and was just working on his Bijuudamas) considering he became Raikage, so it wouldn't be inconsistent 🤷‍♂️

His headband is stopping it from flowing fully, you can see that the sides of his hair are still flowing which they don't in V1 afaik

Also, I don't know why you keep acting like Ay was some kid at the time and is only an adult in Shippuden. He was almost 30 during the war 💀

I had a feeling this would be an argument. I see the logic and I agreed with it myself for a long time, but I don't think it's concrete or consistent with other scalings.

One part of the statement is describing a specific scene, but then it branches out to talk about the LCM's speed in general. V1 is a fanmade term after all, it's not like there's an actual different jutsu being used when he goes into "V2." A statement that's hyping up the overall technique's speed only being in reference to a suppressed version of it would be odd to say the least.

But more importantly, Minato scales to KCM Naruto as you said yourself, who is comparable to BM Bee, and even at 1/14th of his maximum chakra is at least comparable to Base Bee. This is essential because Bee scales to Suppressed V2 Ay, who would naturally be beyond FP V1 Ay. Thus Jonin Minato~KCM Naruto>>Fatigued KCM Naruto~/>Base Bee~Suppressed V2 Ay>V1 Ay.

There's also the fact that 3T FKS Sasuke reacted to and tagged V1 Ay, and even though he had a Chidori amp, that's still 3T FKS Sasuke, compared to KCM Naruto who's like 2 solid tiers faster. Not to mention mfing JUGO reacting to V1 Ay, if barely. That guy is not a FP KCM Naruto rival.

I'm not sure what you're arguing with this part?
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I spent close to 2 straight hours typing a reply for this and it somehow got removed. Where I'm I going to start from now😩
 
A few feats that need rework and revisting

1. Toneri light of justice
He never mentioned that he needed any additional charkra to perform that feat instead he mentioned the eyes specifically. He never needed chakra and the energy of the sun too, that happened because he was indiscriminately absorbing energy.


2. Sasuke casually pulls 9 CTs from afar to him him in an instant


3. Madara god tree spread( the energy needed)

4. Toneri moving the moon

5. The planet's size


6. The First SPCT moon hurl (A time frame is needed)
 
fellas, if I derive the size of an object x with another object y via pixel scaling and then I do a KE calc of the object x being shot
is that considered calc stacking
 
Samlex1234 said:
God-tier scaling is a mess on the wiki right now, Kishimoto has blessed this verse with so many feats for god-tiers that are more than enough to last to Saruto. But somehow everyone from Madara - Kaguya - Momoshiki - Fused Momoshiki - Jigen - Tbv Boruto - Isshiki - Baryon mode somehow scaled to the same Casual feet that Hagoromo performed.

We have people like Kaguya who before the second IT chakra absorption had so much chakra a Hagoromo-level Madara could not handle. Meanwhile, she has various feats herself but it is just ignored.

A simple Fused Momo is at least = Momo + kin Ap is not accepted. Meanwhile, we have dragon ball characters like Goku going from solar system to low multiversal in his Super Saiyan god form which he achieved by Six righteous Saiyans holding hands in a circle and transferring their ki into Goku. This would later affect the entire cast as many characters would later reach that level Via training, Eg, Krillin who was only star level before that.

Now let's contrast with the Naruto verse when the Uzuhiko came out. A CRT was immediately proposed to cap the Verse, However when we make the same argument for Boruto Uzuhiko that energy interaction doesn't always mean 1+1. It is ignored. The same feat that we can't even determine the amount of Planetary Charkra he used both times it was used, is supposed to cap the verse at planetary? Inconsistency and pure bias everywhere
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You still on about this? You need to talk to the Naruto supporters about scaling, Dragon Ball ain't got nothing to do with Naruto so using it as an example doesn't work and ignores a few things, like how the people that accept and contribute to Dragon Ball threads don't really comment on Naruto threads.

Ghostimuscrime said:
fellas, if I derive the size of an object x with another object y via pixel scaling and then I do a KE calc of the object x being shot
is that considered calc stacking
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Not really.
 
The memory of the heart eliminates bad memories and magnifies the good ones, and thanks to that artifice, we manage to cope with the past.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Um uh conservation of energy gg...
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Let me explain my point, the there's three things happened after the attack first the main reaction which is the moon got sliced and then almost all beam energy went out and then the remaining energy caused the separation of the two halves
What you are using is the third effect of the beam
Arc7Kuroi said:
Uh no, but you're free to hold that opinion, I don't really care to convince you in general. Quite literally repeating what was in that thread.
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Arc7Kuroi said:
Um uh conservation of energy gg...
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Brother can you define conservation of energy? It has literally nothing to do with the feat, the moon and the beam aren't in closed place and the beam went through the moon and the beam isn't there to use the law conservation of energy
 
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Arc7Kuroi said:
Uh no, but you're free to hold that opinion, I don't really care to convince you in general. Quite literally repeating what was in that thread.
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Then prove that the energy of the beam needed to slice the moon and the speed of the beam= the energy needed to move the the two halves from each other?
It's not an opinion if it's wrong you must be capable of proving it being wrong
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Lowkey I cant even get mad, bro does this with every verse, keeping the energy same


and the shibai stuff isnt a big deal, you dont need the wiki to validate everything for you, if he's HDE or Tier 2 he's exactly that regardless of some forum's chosen ratings
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To be honest I scale shibia at low 1C / 5D because of him going beyond the the current plane of existence which is 4D because the verse have at least one universe while I scale the top tiers to ETSO except for Toneri because of Adult sasuke's statement in shin arc and the white zetsu existence
 
Samlex1234 said:
God-tier scaling is a mess on the wiki right now, Kishimoto has blessed this verse with so many feats for god-tiers that are more than enough to last to Saruto. But somehow everyone from Madara - Kaguya - Momoshiki - Fused Momoshiki - Jigen - Tbv Boruto - Isshiki - Baryon mode somehow scaled to the same Casual feet that Hagoromo performed.

We have people like Kaguya who before the second IT chakra absorption had so much chakra a Hagoromo-level Madara could not handle. Meanwhile, she has various feats herself but it is just ignored.

A simple Fused Momo is at least = Momo + kin Ap is not accepted. Meanwhile, we have dragon ball characters like Goku going from solar system to low multiversal in his Super Saiyan god form which he achieved by Six righteous Saiyans holding hands in a circle and transferring their ki into Goku. This would later affect the entire cast as many characters would later reach that level Via training, Eg, Krillin who was only star level before that.

Now let's contrast with the Naruto verse when the Uzuhiko came out. A CRT was immediately proposed to cap the Verse, However when we make the same argument for Boruto Uzuhiko that energy interaction doesn't always mean 1+1. It is ignored. The same feat that we can't even determine the amount of Planetary Charkra he used both times it was used, is supposed to cap the verse at planetary? Inconsistency and pure bias everywhere
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Then why you don't use sasuke's statement in shin arc here at 11:50

When he was talking about the stronger threats than kaguya Sasuke was talking about what kaguya was capable and said Kaguya the whole NEARLY DESTROY THE WORLD which is clear statement proves that every time sasuke was talking about what kaguya can do he was talking her ETSO and white zetsu can be used like she did to shinobi who got trapped in infinite tsukiyomi and the ETSO and I didn't see someone who can absorb TSO
 
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garp2 said:
Then why you don't use sasuke's statement in shin arc here at 11:50

When he was talking about the stronger threats than kaguya Sasuke was talking about what kaguya was capable and said Kaguya the whole NEARLY DESTROY THE WORLD which is clear statement proves that every time sasuke was talking about what kaguya can do he was talking her ETSO and white zetsu can be used like she did to shinobi who got trapped in infinite tsukiyomi and the ETSO and I didn't see someone who can absorb TSO
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nearly destroying the world is about IT and the earth. ETSO got nothing to do with destroying the world coz guess what? it was going to destroy kaguya dimension which got nothing to do with sasuke's "world"
 
garp2 said:
Then why you don't use sasuke's statement in shin arc here at 11:50

When he was talking about the stronger threats than kaguya Sasuke was talking about what kaguya was capable and said Kaguya the whole NEARLY DESTROY THE WORLD which is clear statement proves that every time sasuke was talking about what kaguya can do he was talking her ETSO and white zetsu can be used like she did to shinobi who got trapped in infinite tsukiyomi and the ETSO and I didn't see someone who can absorb TSO
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The problem we have with ETSO right now is that it is a one-time feat that scales to no one physicals.
 
Honestly, Amadou should take this opportunity to abuse his position over Kawaki and create some Brain Altering tech that allows him to mind control Kawaki to place Karma on Akebi. Kawaki would be none-the-wiser if Amadou presents it as upgrades to fight the Shinju.

Also, it just dawned on me but, Amadou could’ve created a Boruto clone for him to place Karma onto and negated the need for this entire situation.
 
Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe said:
How do you scale Akatsuki zetsu?! His feats from fighting mei and her bodyguards are allowed
Is he mid-Kage?
Please explain your reasons if he is
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BZ should be Mid to High Kage Level IG:
  1. Fast enough to react and catch KCM Naruto with Mokuton.
  2. Physically comparable to Mei.
  3. Stalemated Mei & Co when attacking the Daimyo.
  4. Strong Enough to Overpower Six Paths Madara w/ his Parasite Ability (But I think this is more of a “Lack of Resistance” feat than a Strength Feat).
Stalemating Minato & Kakashi was done with Obito’s Body whom had Six Paths Chakra.
 
Nierre said:
I think he'd need the actual person to make a clone of them
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Yeah, this could have been done during NNG. Naruto allows him to make a Boruto Clone for the Possibility of Karmic Resurrection after Boruto is initially revived. This way, Kawaki doesn’t have to worry about attacking Boruto again or taking extreme measures and Boruto doesn’t have to worry about taking someone’s life, like he did about Code.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Fast enough to react and catch KCM Naruto with Mokuton.
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Wasn't Naruto careless and got caught in tree so that's why zetsu was able to catch him? im saying naruto's carelessness was irrelevant to zetsu catching him because after all Naruto tried to blitz him but he caught Naruto, so he was still fast enough to react to naruto
NeoKingOfLight said:
Strong Enough to Overpower Six Paths Madara w/ his Parasite Ability (But I think this is more of a “Lack of Resistance” feat than a Strength Feat).
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It's actually with obito, im talking about akatsuki zetsu
 
I doubt Naruto would sign that off tbh, let alone Shikamaru. That doesn't really seem ethical and not something I'd imagine Naruto would be on board with.
 
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