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Naruto fans and victim complex, two peas in a pod.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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lmaooo dxd would get kicked into tier 6 out of pity if that happened
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So the scaling for Part 1 Sasuke (No CSM) is:
- LoW - > 10% Zabuza
- CE - > Weightless Rock Lee w/ Sharingan & Chidori
- SRA - > Pt. 1 Kakashi w/ 3TM (Due to Kn0 Scaling)
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1st isn't accepted but others yes
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Yeah no, Ay never compared his Top speed back then to his top speed Now. He only said “you only the second to have ever outrun my fastest punch”. Minato dodging his top speed in their very first encounter when we know that they continue to clash with each other many times after that very incident does not mean his top speed remained constant and never changed.
Minato even said the next time we meet, we will be fighting as kages.
Raikage goes on to say they fought several times after their first encounter. Meaning they most likely fought as kages. With Kage Minato still being faster than his top speed as a kage. Hence him saying Minato was the only one faster than him when he was alive. However, that was 16 years ago.
When Ay was using V1 in the fight against Team Taka, his V1 mode was started to be on par with the Yellow Flash. However, Note the statement “there is still” because we will call back to it. Later on as the fight progressed and Sasuke used MS, then we see AY ramped up his LCM form again, this stage is called the V2, in this state his chakra is at Biju level. He never used this the first time he fought Minato. Unless you want to say Jonin A4 who fought Minato has Biju-level chakra, but I digress.
Further evidence, notice his hair is not spiking up as much in this fight. Suggesting he possibly didn't have the V2 at this age.
Those statements were for V1 Raikage
The Data book statement does not cap Raikage V2 to be only relative to the yellow flash. It says specifically,
“It could overtake even naruto in his tailed beast charkra mode and it boasts a god-like speed, not inferior even to the Yellow Flash"
Notice it says over take Naruto in KCM then it showed there earlier interactions when he was in V1, however later when he used V2 he was blitzed by Naruto Top speed.
Meaning KCM naruto top speed > Adult V2 Raikage top speed> Adult V1 Raikage top speed ~ KCM Naruto regular speed ~ Yellow Flash > Jonin Raikage top speed
Again this is what I have a problem with, Double lariat does not have a Static Ap and Speed. That scan was making reference to the Double lariat that Adult Raikage in V1 and Samehada enhanced 8 tail cloaked Bee used against Kisame. You have to be relative in strength and speed to use double lariat, which would make Adult V1 Raikage ~ Enhanced 8-tail cloaked Bee at that moment.
Even young bee and Ay can use Double lariat. This double lariat can not be the same speed and strength as the one used against kisame, even Ay had to tone down his own strength any time they used it when much younger.
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What was the main argument against it again?
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That it's not consistent (it would make Chunin level characters relative to and each individual Sound 4 member much stronger than Zabuza) and in the LoW Kishimoto was still ironing things out
This in response to my declaration or Neo?
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That's not what I meant, where is the speed and KE of Toneri's attack needs to slice the moon in half? The calculation just determines only the side effects of Toneri's attack not the attack itself
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How would you find a mass for Toneri's attack?
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As repeatedly stated in that thread, conservation of energy. We don't need the speed or anything of Toneri's sword. Since the KE of the moon splitting apart derives itself entirely from the energy of Toneri's sword swing. Aka Toneri's sword swing's energy (AP in this case) MUST be at least equal to the moon KE from the calc.
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On that note, what is the size or what percentage of the moon is currently accepted as hollow on here?
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This isn’t about whether Naruto characters are truly light-speed. Instead, it’s about the series being unfairly held to an impossibly high standard of evidence for power scaling, while other series are allowed to progress with much less scrutiny. This discrepancy undermines what the Vs Battle Wiki is meant to provide: a fair and balanced platform for all fandoms.
Currently, there is no equal ground because Naruto is being evaluated against a standard far stricter than other verses. This is significant because when Naruto is compared to other series with less evidence but higher ratings, it unfairly loses those battles. The inconsistency in applying these standards is detrimental to both the Naruto fans and the integrity of the scaling system.
Also, Just to let you know, you’re part of the problem. Most of the time when you propose feats and calculations for the verse, you consistently lowball them to an absurd degree. I’ve rarely seen you approve an upgrade for the verse especially for the god-tier characters. Instead, you use your position to block any progress, stifling the development of the verse’s scaling. You’re constantly lurking in this discussion group, waiting for the next upgrade proposal just so you can tear it down. Heck, we had to fight for days to keep the only lightning-speed calculation we had for the verse after you nearly downgraded it to subsonic until most of your colleagues intervened and stopped you. Honestly Damage, you’re like a thorn in the side of most Naruto fans. We’re just asking for fairness and progress, but you make that impossible. I wish you’d leave us alone for once and let the verse thrive.
We have the most Clear statement for higher dimensional Existence Shibai, but no he only went to a Spiritual dimension. We have a clear statement for Omnipotence creating the Universe, but no it is only a planet and Shibai can't even do that.
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See, as far as I can tell people wanting to "let the verse thrive" means "Let upgrades pass without opposition." If I thought an upgrade was well-substantiated and made sense, then I'd support it. If not, then I cannot.
I don't treat Naruto as a verse any differently then I'd treat any other verse. Fans of Bleach or One Piece or Dragon Ball or MHA on here can vouch for that, I assure you. I don't care enough about online powerscaling to be "constantly lurking" on general discussion threads.
Also, wow, you've got good memory on that Kakashi re-calc; that was over 5 and a half years ago and I've completely forgotten that.
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Then prove his superiority over lower dimensions?
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I think the only way we can have accuracy and fairness in the site across all verses is if we had a Damage overseeing all verse upgrades, not just in HST.
Unfortunately, Damage isn't omnipresent (in the site).
Unfortunately, Damage isn't omnipresent (in the site).
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Also saying Omnipotence can warp/create universes/reality when it can't even warp/create photos is a big jump.
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Lowkey I cant even get mad, bro does this with every verse, keeping the energy same
and the shibai stuff isnt a big deal, you dont need the wiki to validate everything for you, if he's HDE or Tier 2 he's exactly that regardless of some forum's chosen ratings
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me in 2030 asking damage if he can greenlight my request of a profile image change for a side character (he rejects it due to lack of author statements & consistency) /s
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Samlex was out of line, but tbh I do think you're a bit too skeptical of upgrades in general. It's much easier thinking of times you've been neutral/disagreed than times you've agreed with upgrades.
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I concede that I'm more skeptical than most; but sometimes that is a necessity. Sometimes I object to things that many other people would've looked over and deemed okay, but I see something out of place, like my thread to remove the 5-A Power Stone calculation that had been approved by multiple people before I looked into the calc.
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Yeah I agree skepticism is necessary at times, I just think there should be a balance between over acceptance and over skepticism
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was there ever an important naruto crt where damage ever said yes? if so I highkey wanna see what they made to make damage of all people say yes
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What do you count as important
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stuff that isnt lame shit like age revisions and actual important stats or abilities
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Your declaration
getting my reading glasses ready
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Ngl when I was new here I felt the same, but I soon realized without Damage a lot of bs would pass and many pages/profiles would be littered with wank
Like tbh he’s had many takes I really disagree with, but still
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Ngl, I think someone like Damage is essential here. Other fandoms not having someone to filter BS out of their revisions just give the impression that Damage is unfairly limiting the verses he oversees.
But I do agree that he's a bit too skeptical. I honestly don't remember a major Naruto upgrade where he agreed at all.
But I do agree that he's a bit too skeptical. I honestly don't remember a major Naruto upgrade where he agreed at all.
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Okay, I appreciate your skepticism. However, could you please take your skepticism to another verse for a while just for a month, even? It feels like you’re not just skeptical; you actively use your position to influence our CRTs in a way that holds us back.
I’ve seen several cases where you don’t even have a counterargument yourself, but you wait for someone else to make one no matter how unreasonable and then side with them just to oppose the upgrade. At this point, most Naruto fans preparing CRTs expect one guaranteed downvote from you. They have to fight harder to convince at least three mods to approve anything because they know that if it’s an upgrade, Damage will be there and Damage will disagree.
You were even part of the mods that approved the removal of lightspeed Kirin , and then you create a CRT to use it to justify capping the verse below lightning speed. They are so many verses on this platform Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, Bleach, God of Highschool... Etc please go and spend time with them too, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. At least a one month break
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I am not advocating to remove Damage, I don't mind his downgrade lust, it's the naruto-verse, everyone wants to put it down, I am merely speaking out of curiosity
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Damage should revise bleach GOW and TypeMoon (Fate) ngl, i wanna see how it plays outOkay, I appreciate your skepticism. However, could you please take your skepticism to another verse for a while just for a month, even? It feels like you’re not just skeptical; you actively use your position to influence our CRTs in a way that holds us back.
I’ve seen several cases where you don’t even have a counterargument yourself, but you wait for someone else to make one no matter how unreasonable and then side with them just to oppose the upgrade. At this point, most Naruto fans preparing CRTs expect one guaranteed downvote from you. They have to fight harder to convince at least three mods to approve anything because they know that if it’s an upgrade, Damage will be there and Damage will disagree.
You were even part of the mods that approved the removal of lightspeed Kirin , and then you create a CRT to use it to justify capping the verse below lightning speed. They are so many verses on this platform Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, Bleach, God of Highschool... Etc please go and spend time with them too, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. At least a one month break
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TBH I think Damage should make more CRTs for Naruto verse now.Okay, I appreciate your skepticism. However, could you please take your skepticism to another verse for a while just for a month, even? It feels like you’re not just skeptical; you actively use your position to influence our CRTs in a way that holds us back.
I’ve seen several cases where you don’t even have a counterargument yourself, but you wait for someone else to make one no matter how unreasonable and then side with them just to oppose the upgrade. At this point, most Naruto fans preparing CRTs expect one guaranteed downvote from you. They have to fight harder to convince at least three mods to approve anything because they know that if it’s an upgrade, Damage will be there and Damage will disagree.
You were even part of the mods that approved the removal of lightspeed Kirin , and then you create a CRT to use it to justify capping the verse below lightning speed. They are so many verses on this platform Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, Bleach, God of Highschool... Etc please go and spend time with them too, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. At least a one month break
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Personally I think that you're blowing it out of proportion. I've worked with other supporters of the verse on here who let me know of their plans for threads beforehand, and I worked with them in order to refine their ideas and arguments. Instead of trying to plot around me, I'd be happy if users just approached me with their ideas first and see if I had any criticisms of them to get out of the way.Okay, I appreciate your skepticism. However, could you please take your skepticism to another verse for a while just for a month, even? It feels like you’re not just skeptical; you actively use your position to influence our CRTs in a way that holds us back.
I’ve seen several cases where you don’t even have a counterargument yourself, but you wait for someone else to make one no matter how unreasonable and then side with them just to oppose the upgrade. At this point, most Naruto fans preparing CRTs expect one guaranteed downvote from you. They have to fight harder to convince at least three mods to approve anything because they know that if it’s an upgrade, Damage will be there and Damage will disagree.
You were even part of the mods that approved the removal of lightspeed Kirin , and then you create a CRT to use it to justify capping the verse below lightning speed. They are so many verses on this platform Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, Bleach, God of Highschool... Etc please go and spend time with them too, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. At least a one month break
If I could make a request too, I'd be happier if more fans instead of being concerned exclusively with ratings also worked on things like adding sources, references, scans, descriptions, etc. Improving the appearance and layout of profiles.
Stuff like UchihaSlayer's overhaul of Hagoromo's, Itachi's and Tsunade's profiles. etc. I'd be all in favor of things like that.
If it's any consolation, I am preparing threads for other verses too but I typically face a lot more opposition for my ideas than most people have to deal with on here which makes it difficult.
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Nah I know, I was just saying
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The problem with this is that it isn’t applied evenly across the board. Think of it this way: if Damage is constantly focused on the Naruto verse while only occasionally addressing other verses, it puts us at a disadvantage.
For example, I believe Naruto has more feats and statements supporting planetary, universal, and light-speed scaling than many other verses on this wiki. Yet, those other verses often get their feats and statements approved with far less scrutiny. When we try to create versus matches, our verse ends up getting stomped and those results are then accepted as truth on the wiki. But the real reason for those stomps is that Naruto is held to an absurdly high standard to get high-end CRTs approved.
Take this for instance: despite the numerous and casual moon-level to planetary feats scattered across the verse, we still have someone like Isshiki being scaled only to small-planetary levels. And we haven’t even factored in that Naruto’s planet is canonically larger than Earth, which only strengthens those feats but I digress.
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You didn't understand me brother, did you? I am just denying the method was used because first the beam sliced the moon in half and the action of the two halves happened after the force that sliced the moon in half went out so what caused the 2 halves to separate from each other was the remaining energy/ part of the main who already get out
It's up to you to prove the energy needed to slice the moon is equal to the action happened after that force went out
