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So like how strong are they though?"Having inherited the will of Otsutsuki Isshiki, Code bares his fangs at Konoha for the sake of his mission and revenge.He utilizes his own abilities to increase the power of the Ten Tails."
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Cho-Cho oneshot victims, but i guess thats not saying much since shes nearly 10 times stronger then EMS Madara
realistically the fodder ones are like Jonnin level except for that single rinnegan one which was strong enough to Slam Base Kawaki on the Ground but idk if it did damage.
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They're able to survive blows from Base Kawaki and Sarada so they're pretty powerful
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Did any of them actually tank a blow from Sarada? I guess they didnt explode when she hit them but did any get hit and come back up
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Yeah. The one that Code comes out of is the one that Sarada kicked away. Tank probably isn't the right word but it did take the kick and get back up like it was nothing.
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Your analogy doesn’t quite work here. Usain Bolt’s ‘fastest’ is tied to a formally measured and fixed record, while Ay4’s ‘fastest punch’ is a contextual statement, referencing the moment of his fight with Minato. There’s nothing in the narrative to suggest his speed remained constant or that he was referencing his current absolute top speed. Instead, Ay4 is acknowledging Minato’s achievement in their past encounters, and it doesn’t invalidate the possibility that his speed improved after that event.
Even in Usain Bolt’s case, his top speed at different points in his life was not constant. For example, Bolt broke the world record in May 2008 and then broke it again in August 2008. That May 2008 record has now been broken six times, three of which were by Bolt himself. Bolt’s fastest speed continued to improve, and he set another record in August 2009, a full year later. This demonstrates that even for an athlete like Bolt, his ‘fastest’ changes over time, depending on his training and performance. Applying this logic to Ay4, it’s reasonable to assume that his speed could have improved after his early encounters with Minato, making his statement about Minato’s feat contextual rather than an absolute measure of his top speed.
No that is not an absolute factual statement, war is not the only reason people engage in combat (Also sparring is a real thing). However, regardless of whether or not they fought as kages, you can't disprove the fact that they fought several times than the initial first encounter. Which proves my point that A4 had several encounters with Minato to test out their speed.
Then you agree that he at least got faster even if it is just reaction speed(Mind you he can even augment his reflexes with LCM stated in the same scan). The Ay that fought Minato in the very first encounter does not have reaction speed on par with Minato.
3rd Raikage’s, Jonins and Ay boxed with Gyuki and he was suppressed before he could harmed. Didn’t minato run away from Biju bombs until later in the war when he created the rasengan. But somehow you want Jonin Ay from at least 10 years ago to somehow scale to Ay as Raikage ?Well he did box with Gyuki and would've been stronger than Bee at the time (who had seemingly attained Bijuu Mode and was just working on his Bijuudamas) considering he became Raikage, so it wouldn't be inconsistent
The flowing hair in that image is similar to the image below when he used V1 against Naruto but I digress.His headband is stopping it from flowing fully, you can see that the sides of his hair are still flowing which they don't in V1 afaik
Also, I don't know why you keep acting like Ay was some kid at the time and is only an adult in Shippuden. He was almost 30 during the war
Ay being almost 30 does not change the fact that he could still get stronger and Faster…..
No you can’t do that. That is fraud, you can’t separate a statement that scales V1 LCM~ Regular speed KCM and then use that to upscale Yellow flash > V2 LCM, when it is literally a statement in the same breath. It says and I quote, “A god like speed that also catches up with Naruto in Tailed Beast chakra mode, and even praised to be as fast as the "Yelow Flash",”
He never caught up to Naruto when he used his top speed, which he did only once. So no you can’t have your Cake and eat it too.
No no no no no no no. Jonin minato scales to KCM regular speed along with V1 Ay not KCM top speed. Suppressed V2 how suppressed was he? Why should Bee in any way or form scale to a Raikage that was hold back. Because someone like Jigen is in K2 stage does not mean he is using 100 percent of his power. Naruto can be in SPCT mode and still not use 100 percent of its actual power and speed every time, he can use 5, 10, 15 up to unto 100 in that same mode. Bee even said later on brother is at top power, meaning the earlier times he was just joking around with bee while he was in the V2 mode.
How can base Bee be stronger and faster than the Bee that did double lariat with the Raikage’s when he was in 8 tails chakra mode that was also enhanced by samehada? I digress
what is bad with Sage mode Jugo and 3T chidori Sasuke having reactions speed on that level? The problem is we treat characters as going 100 percent every time when they can go 1-100…. Why should Bee use 100 percent speed when he know that he can beat them at 50 or less. In fact we know he was indeed Holding back has he could have entered V2 state use his top speed and literally blitz all of them. Suigetsu could react to him in V1 earlier on in the fight, while in the same chapter when Jugo got a power up that amps his speed, suigetsu talks about how fast V1 Raikage’s was moving, the same suigetsu that could blitz him before his attack landed on sasuke prior.
This is my suggestion on solving the scaling issue. Top speed KCM Naruto is faster than Jonin minato
KCM naruto top speed > Adult V2 Raikage top speed> Adult V1 Raikage ~ KCM Naruto regular speed ~ Yellow Flash > Jonin Raikage top speed
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"get tier 4 naruto accepted" and its using ****ing shibaiPass meaningful Naruto threads and get tier 4 Naruto accepted idk
so great
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Chocho > Base sarada, oh, oh no, no , no , oh my god no, oh my
10.4 Zettatons x 100 = ~1 Yottaton
were cooked
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Doubt anyone else here could"get tier 4 naruto accepted" and its using ****ing shibai
so great
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uh huh, he proposed 5B which got encouraged into 4B, mostly cuz people have a boner for scaling shibai above everything in the verse prior which included etso that was established at tier 4 by the hard working naruto supportersDoubt anyone else here could
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Yottatons in my Naruto?!
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Base Sarada (and Chocho) is still 6-C/6-B. She doesn't physically scale to the GT's yet, Hidari casually blocked her Chakra Enhanced Kick. Her Raiton does tho, she hurt Hidari with Chidori and Stream.
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No, he proposed a tier 4 rating. Stay mad
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The day she hurts hidari with a punch to the face is going to be legendary for the Cho cho Agenda
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Your thinking on this is flawed unfortunately.
Code having his Limiters removed and amping the Ten-tails isn’t a commentary on anything dealing with Jigen as Jigen is weaker than him anyways.
We have no idea how strong that Ten-tails is compared to Jigen and it doesn’t matter if it’s stated when it’s literally shown to us.
So a “Juubi Amped Jigen” can’t be written off by this statement.
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Need Chocho to have a 1v1 with Jura and win
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smh cant even spell
average jjk fan
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So what your saying is all this statement means is Code is atleast more then half of Jigen...(not that it matters, Juubi amped jigen is headcannon i think, he admits he borrows power from it other times as well)
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oh brother
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Dont kill my entire family bloodline pls.
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Yeah honestly, if Juubi Amp Jigen was some how greater than No Limiters code, why did he need to nerf himself? When Juubi amp Jigen can take him out. To me, it is a copuim mechanism because Code has not lived up to the hype.
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Out of Curiosity
Is Toneri Not Planet level because
A: hes not destroying the planet and it got debunked its only surface wiping
B: because the way hes doing it and could do it on 2 occasions both dont scale to his normal statistics(roche limit gravity / being empowered by narutos chakra and sun energy).
Dont give the arguments just A or B cus i remember he was on his wiki a few months ago.
It was because B right?
Is Toneri Not Planet level because
A: hes not destroying the planet and it got debunked its only surface wiping
B: because the way hes doing it and could do it on 2 occasions both dont scale to his normal statistics(roche limit gravity / being empowered by narutos chakra and sun energy).
Dont give the arguments just A or B cus i remember he was on his wiki a few months ago.
It was because B right?
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Neither really hits the nail on the head. Toneri has 3 scaling feats, cutting the moon in half (5-Cish), moving the moon (low 5-Bish), and LoJ (currently accepted as Low 5-Bish via powerscaling). I think we just don't accept that Toneri destroying the planet with LoJ nor throwing the moon is destroying earth beyond its GBE. But it's not like we think he's only surface wiping, more that hitting the planet with Low 5-B energy would destroy it definitionally, just not beyond its GBE. So, it kinda takes the spirit of A and B together as the answer tmk
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From what i found on an old thread "Total Planetary Annihiliation" and Toneri saying the planet will be destroyed just like the moon are debunked from the second Part of B where it doesnt scale because of the gravity helping out
And Light of Justice is Because of A
So yeah i guess your right both are here
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No to the bolded part tmk
Like Toneri is the one throwing the moon, and we can calculate how much energy it takes for him to throw it at the speed it moves in the movie, which we do. It's more like the values don't hit 5-B, but they're still so high (5-C to Low 5-B) that it'd still destroy the planet, it's just not shattering it beyond its GBE. So the "annihilate the planet" statement isn't contradicted by not overcoming the GBE.
I think a good analogy would be hitting a deer with a mac truck on the highway vs atomizing it. Both annihilate the deer, one just requires more energy. If that makes sense
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Toneri seems to think the same way The Moon is gonna be destroyed (which is completely) that the planet wont survive a colission either, i think its at the dinner scene with Hinata.
I dont think it would scale regardless since that gravity argument would probably be used....
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Yeah that doesn't entail shattering the planet beyond its GBE inherently either.
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In what universe is total planetary annihilation not 5B, it's deadass in the statement complete destruction cannot be achieved without bypassing its GBE
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Vaporizing the planet can completely destroy it without bypassing the GBE. And I'd say that's total planetary annihilationIn what universe is total planetary annihilation not 5B, it's deadass in the statement complete destruction cannot be achieved without bypassing its GBE
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Naw that's not what I said. I said I don't believe they interpret the Hinata statement as the planet being shattered beyond its GBE. Which you can disagree with idrc, I'm trying to help you understand the thread.
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Ah ok that makes sense i get it now
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"planetary feats are not planet level" is this logic deadass ever applied to any other verse where theyre forced to prove GBE is bypassed
wouldnt this mean roshi isnt 5C with his max power kamehameha
why do these absurd standards only get applied to naruto tf
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Nah cuz roshis kamehmahea actually vaped the moon.
This is more like if Vegetas Galick gun cant actually be 5-B (regardless of if vegeta is 5-B in the manga for other reasons)
Gn btw i got school in the morning
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I mean yeah, not all planetary feats are planet level, just like not all mountain feats are mountain level. Our tiering system names are semi-arbitrary in title, and sometimes destroying a mountain, island, country, etc doesn't correlate to that specific tier. Destroying a mountain can range from like city level if you frag it, to like island level if you vaporize it like the Bijuu.
And this is a thing across wiki in general. HST verses get far more scrutiny since they're far more popular to scale. Which sucks. There are some staff that think Soul Society can only be a big town right, it's not just Naruto. Ik it's weird, but I think you run into a mindset issue when you look at it from the perspective of destroying something with a name on the AP naming list must grant you that tier, when those names are simply there out of necessity to label the tiers.
KN6 Naruto's TBB can destroy a large part of Konoha, and that feat is 6-B. If we just went by the notion of Konoha being a city, that feat would just be 7-B by that logic right. It's just faulty in nature.
Edit: also with Roshi's feat we see it hits the moon and makes it explode omnidirectionally, so there's evidence that the blast not only turned the moon to dust but also scattered it all, thus overcoming its GBE. But even if it shouldn't be 5-C, two wrongs don't make a right. One verse being poorly scaled isn't an excuse to poorly scale another. Whataboutisms don't accomplish anything
