Think about it like this, would it still be his fastest punch if he got way faster? Would Usain Bolt say someone outsprinted him at his fastest if the moment in question was a race in his elementary school days far from his prime? Doesn't make much semantical sense, does it?
Your analogy doesn’t quite work here. Usain Bolt’s ‘fastest’ is tied to a formally measured and fixed record, while Ay4’s ‘fastest punch’ is a contextual statement, referencing the moment of his fight with Minato. There’s nothing in the narrative to suggest his speed remained constant or that he was referencing his current absolute top speed. Instead, Ay4 is acknowledging Minato’s achievement in their past encounters, and it doesn’t invalidate the possibility that his speed improved after that event.
Even in Usain Bolt’s case, his top speed at different points in his life was not constant. For example, Bolt broke the world record in May 2008 and then broke it again in August 2008. That May 2008 record has now been broken six times, three of which were by Bolt himself. Bolt’s fastest speed continued to improve, and he set another record in August 2009, a full year later. This demonstrates that even for an athlete like Bolt, his ‘fastest’ changes over time, depending on his training and performance. Applying this logic to Ay4, it’s reasonable to assume that his speed could have improved after his early encounters with Minato, making his statement about Minato’s feat contextual rather than an absolute measure of his top speed.
They didn't fight as Kage, at least not verifiably. Minato only became Hokage
after the war was over.
No that is not an absolute factual statement, war is not the only reason people engage in combat (Also sparring is a real thing). However, regardless of whether or not they fought as kages, you can't disprove the fact that they fought several times than the initial first encounter. Which proves my point that A4 had several encounters with Minato to test out their speed.
His nerve transmission and reaction speed are stated to be on par with Minato, not his movement or combat speed. Cee's also not that good a source but I'm fine if you wanna take the statement as an author insert.
Then you agree that he at least got faster even if it is just reaction speed(Mind you he can even augment his reflexes with LCM stated in the same scan). The Ay that fought Minato in the very first encounter does not have reaction speed on par with Minato.
3rd Raikage’s, Jonins and Ay boxed with Gyuki and he was suppressed before he could harmed. Didn’t minato run away from Biju bombs until later in the war when he created the rasengan. But somehow you want Jonin Ay from at least 10 years ago to somehow scale to Ay as Raikage ?
His headband is stopping it from flowing fully, you can see that the sides of his hair are still flowing which they don't in V1 afaik
Also, I don't know why you keep acting like Ay was some kid at the time and is only an adult in Shippuden. He was almost 30 during the war
The flowing hair in that image is similar to the image below when he used V1 against Naruto but I digress.
Ay being almost 30 does not change the fact that he could still get stronger and Faster…..
I had a feeling this would be an argument. I see the logic and I agreed with it myself for a long time, but I don't think it's concrete or consistent with other scalings.
One part of the statement is describing a specific scene, but then it branches out to talk about the LCM's speed in general. V1 is a fanmade term after all, it's not like there's an actual different jutsu being used when he goes into "V2." A statement that's hyping up the overall technique's speed only being in reference to a suppressed version of it would be odd to say the least.
No you can’t do that. That is fraud, you can’t separate a statement that scales V1 LCM~ Regular speed KCM and then use that to upscale Yellow flash > V2 LCM, when it is literally a statement in the same breath. It says and I quote, “
A god like speed that also catches up with Naruto in Tailed Beast chakra mode, and even praised to be as fast as the "Yelow Flash",”
He never caught up to Naruto when he used his top speed, which he did only once. So no you can’t have your Cake and eat it too.
But more importantly, Minato scales to KCM Naruto as you said yourself, who
is comparable to BM Bee, and even at 1/14th of his maximum chakra is
at least comparable to Base Bee. This is essential because Bee
scales to Suppressed V2 Ay, who would naturally be beyond FP V1 Ay. Thus Jonin Minato~KCM Naruto>>Fatigued KCM Naruto~/>Base Bee~Suppressed V2 Ay>V1 Ay.
No no no no no no no. Jonin minato scales to KCM regular speed along with V1 Ay not KCM top speed. Suppressed V2 how suppressed was he? Why should Bee in any way or form scale to a Raikage that was hold back. Because someone like Jigen is in K2 stage does not mean he is using 100 percent of his power. Naruto can be in SPCT mode and still not use 100 percent of its actual power and speed every time, he can use 5, 10, 15 up to unto 100 in that same mode. Bee even said later on brother is at top power, meaning the earlier times he was just joking around with bee while he was in the V2 mode.
How can base Bee be stronger and faster than the Bee that did double lariat with the Raikage’s when he was in 8 tails chakra mode that was also enhanced by samehada? I digress
There's also the fact that
3T FKS Sasuke reacted to and tagged V1 Ay, and even though he had a Chidori amp, that's still
3T FKS Sasuke, compared to KCM Naruto who's like 2 solid tiers faster. Not to mention mfing
JUGO reacting to V1 Ay, if barely. That guy is not a FP KCM Naruto rival.
I'm not sure what you're arguing with this part?
what is bad with Sage mode Jugo and 3T chidori Sasuke having reactions speed on that level? The problem is we treat characters as going 100 percent every time when they can go 1-100…. Why should Bee use 100 percent speed when he know that he can beat them at 50 or less. In fact we know he was indeed Holding back has he could have entered V2 state use his top speed and literally blitz all of them. Suigetsu could react to him in V1 earlier on in the fight, while in the same chapter when Jugo got a power up that amps his speed, suigetsu talks about how fast V1 Raikage’s was moving, the same suigetsu that could blitz him before his attack landed on sasuke prior.
I'm not sure what you're arguing with this part?
This is my suggestion on solving the scaling issue. Top speed KCM Naruto is faster than Jonin minato
KCM naruto top speed > Adult V2 Raikage top speed> Adult V1 Raikage ~ KCM Naruto regular speed ~ Yellow Flash > Jonin Raikage top speed
