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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

MinatoSparkle said:
Nature Transformation (Chakra Nature) : r/Naruto
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Valid

Mayhaps
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Yes, I know all this but why will Jonin Minato from like 20 years ago be > Adult Raikage Ay ? Are you suggesting that AY never got stronger and faster since his first interaction with Jonin Minato?
 
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Boruto and Kawaki agree that the shinju come first otsutsuki stuff later, thats the author telling us we will get that at the end, not now.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Yes, I know all this but why will Jonin Minato from like 20 years ago be > Adult Raikage Ay ? Are you suggesting that AY never got stronger and faster since his first interaction with Jonin Minato?
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I think his argument was like this: When Minato's Jonin state is mentioned, Minato is called Yellow Flash. The Minato that Raikage is close to Minato in terms of speed is also Jonin Minato. Besides, Edo Minato's feats put him far above Raikage.
 
garp2 said:
Arc7Kuroi, I just went from reading this thread below

Post in thread 'Naruto Moon splitting calc' https://vsbattles.com/threads/naruto-moon-splitting-calc.175611/post-6916709

I read your counter arguments and I don't disagree but I have a question why the speed of the splitting moon was used instead of the speed of Toneri's attack? Can you simplify to me
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Because when calculating something’s KE you need the speed of that something. The moon’s KE is the MOON’s speed squared times half the moon’s mass.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
I think his argument was like this: When Minato's Jonin state is mentioned, Minato is called Yellow Flash. The Minato that Raikage is close to Minato in terms of speed is also Jonin Minato. Besides, Edo Minato's feats put him far above Raikage.
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Minato became Hokage primarily due to his performance during the war, where he earned the title “Yellow Flash.” This reputation could arguably extend to his entire tenure as Hokage with him growing even faster and stronger as time passed, up until his death. As a Jonin, Minato demonstrated speed far surpassing Ay’s when they clashed. However, after that encounter that is at least 20 years ago, Ay continued to grow in both strength and speed. Therefore, the claim that Adult Raikage’s Double Lariat is comparable ~ Jonin Minato’s speed isn’t unreasonable.
 
On paper, equal stats, Kawaki actually hard counters Boruto’s Arsenal. The only real way for Boruto to beat Kawaki is via stalling & forcing an over-heating wincon or just dog him out with a mix of Taijutsu skill and Evasiveness.
 
Even when reddit had Yhwach Beating the numidium , Space battles was still on Large Building level Tes Verse, their special threats
 
Samlex1234 said:
Yes, I know all this but why will Jonin Minato from like 20 years ago be > Adult Raikage Ay ? Are you suggesting that AY never got stronger and faster since his first interaction with Jonin Minato?
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Because of the statements that are in relation to WA Ay...? The databook is saying current LCM Ay is relative to the Yellow Flash and Ay's statement is clearly implying that he's only the fastest cause Minato isn't around. Also tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Ay didn't get that much faster (strength is irrelevant to the argument) since he compared his top speed back then to his top speed now, likening Naruto's feat to Minato's in the past.
Arc7Kuroi said:
Vsbw funny enough
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Not so much in AP these days, but the verse's speed is still pretty lowballed for high tiers (would change if Ghost's thread goes through and they're upgraded to FTL)
Samlex1234 said:
Minato became Hokage primarily due to his performance during the war, where he earned the title “Yellow Flash.” This reputation could arguably extend to his entire tenure as Hokage with him growing even faster and stronger as time passed, up until his death. As a Jonin, Minato demonstrated speed far surpassing Ay’s when they clashed. However, after that encounter that is at least 20 years ago, Ay continued to grow in both strength and speed. Therefore, the claim that Adult Raikage’s Double Lariat is comparable ~ Jonin Minato’s speed isn’t unreasonable.
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The statement I sent earlier literally says The Yellow Flash is his former moniker
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Also I'm fine with V2 Ay's Lariat being relative to Jonin Minato, but the Lariat DB statement is about the technique in general, which was used by V1 Bee/V1 Ay primarily.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Not so much in AP these days, but the verse's speed is still pretty lowballed for high tiers (would change if Ghost's thread goes through and they're upgraded to FTL)
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I wouldn't call lightning speed mid to high tiers downplay, I'd call that a lowball. Then the God Tiers I think are far from being lowballed or even downplayed in speed with the FTL+ ratings. But ig we both seem to agree that it isn't downplay, and that it's just a lowball.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I wouldn't call lightning speed mid to high tiers downplay, I'd call that a lowball.
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I mean that's what I said 😭
Arc7Kuroi said:
Then the God Tiers I think are far from being lowballed or even downplayed in speed with the FTL+ ratings. But ig we both seem to agree that it isn't downplay, and that it's just a lowball.
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I do think God Tiers are MFTL+ but I didn't mention that cause it's far less straightforward than FTL high tiers
 
Lots of verses here (mostly the ones where the upgrades come from light novels or books) just need a single statement of light speed or "light attacks". But with Naruto, word semantics, kanji etymology, hermeneutics and all kinds of bureaucracy are necessary. I know there are standards, but when they are exaggerated only against a part of the verses on the site (it's not just Naruto that suffers from this) and others don't have as much supervision, it becomes very unfair. An example of this is Fairy Tail, which is in MFTL via a single statement of light speed, and the funny part is that the statement in Fairy Tail) use "たとえ" (tatoe) which is the informal way of "ごとき" (gotoki, present in the Lariat statement), both mean the same thing, they are used for a comparison ("Like a lightning", for example in english), whether literal or not. If it is an informal situation, such as a character's speech (as is the case in Fairy Tail) you will see the use of "たとえ" (tatoe), but if it is a formal situation, such as books (as is the case with Databook) you will see the use of "ごとき" (gotoki). But only one of the statements (Lariat) was rejected for semantic reasons, no one looked for etymology or used hermeneutics in the case of Fairy Tail, They simply accepted the statement as it was, and it was used as the basis for a single feat that supports the verse scale. So yes, this means that some verses are simply downplayed for pure hate reasons.
 
GTsek said:
Lots of verses here (mostly the ones where the upgrades come from light novels or books) just need a single statement of light speed or "light attacks". But with Naruto, word semantics, kanji etymology, hermeneutics and all kinds of bureaucracy are necessary. I know there are standards, but when they are exaggerated only against a part of the verses on the site (it's not just Naruto that suffers from this) and others don't have as much supervision, it becomes very unfair. An example of this is Fairy Tail, which is in MFTL via a single statement of light speed, and the funny part is that the statement in Fairy Tail) use "たとえ" (tatoe) which is the informal way of "ごとき" (gotoki, present in the Lariat statement), both mean the same thing, they are used for a comparison ("Like a lightning", for example in english), whether literal or not. If it is an informal situation, such as a character's speech (as is the case in Fairy Tail) you will see the use of "たとえ" (tatoe), but if it is a formal situation, such as books (as is the case with Databook) you will see the use of "ごとき" (gotoki). But only one of the statements (Lariat) was rejected for semantic reasons, no one looked for etymology or used hermeneutics in the case of Fairy Tail, They simply accepted the statement as it was, and it was used as the basis for a single feat that supports the verse scale. So yes, this means that some verses are simply downplayed for pure hate reasons.
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
GTsek said:
Lots of verses here (mostly the ones where the upgrades come from light novels or books) just need a single statement of light speed or "light attacks". But with Naruto, word semantics, kanji etymology, hermeneutics and all kinds of bureaucracy are necessary. I know there are standards, but when they are exaggerated only against a part of the verses on the site (it's not just Naruto that suffers from this) and others don't have as much supervision, it becomes very unfair. An example of this is Fairy Tail, which is in MFTL via a single statement of light speed, and the funny part is that the statement in Fairy Tail) use "たとえ" (tatoe) which is the informal way of "ごとき" (gotoki, present in the Lariat statement), both mean the same thing, they are used for a comparison ("Like a lightning", for example in english), whether literal or not. If it is an informal situation, such as a character's speech (as is the case in Fairy Tail) you will see the use of "たとえ" (tatoe), but if it is a formal situation, such as books (as is the case with Databook) you will see the use of "ごとき" (gotoki). But only one of the statements (Lariat) was rejected for semantic reasons, no one looked for etymology or used hermeneutics in the case of Fairy Tail, They simply accepted the statement as it was, and it was used as the basis for a single feat that supports the verse scale. So yes, this means that some verses are simply downplayed for pure hate reasons.
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a lil off topic Fairy Tail IMO is very wanked on the wiki and gets away with alot of shenanigans but its been so long since ive read it (i also don't really care about the verse) that i dont plan on touching it any time soon
 
GTsek said:
Lots of verses here (mostly the ones where the upgrades come from light novels or books) just need a single statement of light speed or "light attacks". But with Naruto, word semantics, kanji etymology, hermeneutics and all kinds of bureaucracy are necessary. I know there are standards, but when they are exaggerated only against a part of the verses on the site (it's not just Naruto that suffers from this) and others don't have as much supervision, it becomes very unfair. An example of this is Fairy Tail, which is in MFTL via a single statement of light speed, and the funny part is that the statement in Fairy Tail) use "たとえ" (tatoe) which is the informal way of "ごとき" (gotoki, present in the Lariat statement), both mean the same thing, they are used for a comparison ("Like a lightning", for example in english), whether literal or not. If it is an informal situation, such as a character's speech (as is the case in Fairy Tail) you will see the use of "たとえ" (tatoe), but if it is a formal situation, such as books (as is the case with Databook) you will see the use of "ごとき" (gotoki). But only one of the statements (Lariat) was rejected for semantic reasons, no one looked for etymology or used hermeneutics in the case of Fairy Tail, They simply accepted the statement as it was, and it was used as the basis for a single feat that supports the verse scale. So yes, this means that some verses are simply downplayed for pure hate reasons.
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kishimoto could probably scream a naruto character can destroy universes and some people would still try to downplay that stuff
some people dont even have naruto at tier 5


this series gets the weirdest hate boner in powerscaling (talking about in general not the wiki)
KaydeeX said:
Fun fact is that a lot of verses would crumble if they got the Naruto treatment
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wym
 
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