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Also saying Omnipotence can warp/create universes/reality when it can't even warp/create photos is a big jump.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
Ghostimuscrime
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Lowkey I cant even get mad, bro does this with every verse, keeping the energy same
and the shibai stuff isnt a big deal, you dont need the wiki to validate everything for you, if he's HDE or Tier 2 he's exactly that regardless of some forum's chosen ratings
Ghostimuscrime
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me in 2030 asking damage if he can greenlight my request of a profile image change for a side character (he rejects it due to lack of author statements & consistency) /s
MinatoSparkle
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Samlex was out of line, but tbh I do think you're a bit too skeptical of upgrades in general. It's much easier thinking of times you've been neutral/disagreed than times you've agreed with upgrades.
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I concede that I'm more skeptical than most; but sometimes that is a necessity. Sometimes I object to things that many other people would've looked over and deemed okay, but I see something out of place, like my thread to remove the 5-A Power Stone calculation that had been approved by multiple people before I looked into the calc.
MinatoSparkle
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Yeah I agree skepticism is necessary at times, I just think there should be a balance between over acceptance and over skepticism
Ghostimuscrime
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was there ever an important naruto crt where damage ever said yes? if so I highkey wanna see what they made to make damage of all people say yes
MinatoSparkle
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What do you count as important
Ghostimuscrime
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stuff that isnt lame shit like age revisions and actual important stats or abilities
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Your declaration
getting my reading glasses ready
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Ngl when I was new here I felt the same, but I soon realized without Damage a lot of bs would pass and many pages/profiles would be littered with wank
Like tbh he’s had many takes I really disagree with, but still
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Ngl, I think someone like Damage is essential here. Other fandoms not having someone to filter BS out of their revisions just give the impression that Damage is unfairly limiting the verses he oversees.
But I do agree that he's a bit too skeptical. I honestly don't remember a major Naruto upgrade where he agreed at all.
But I do agree that he's a bit too skeptical. I honestly don't remember a major Naruto upgrade where he agreed at all.
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Okay, I appreciate your skepticism. However, could you please take your skepticism to another verse for a while just for a month, even? It feels like you’re not just skeptical; you actively use your position to influence our CRTs in a way that holds us back.
I’ve seen several cases where you don’t even have a counterargument yourself, but you wait for someone else to make one no matter how unreasonable and then side with them just to oppose the upgrade. At this point, most Naruto fans preparing CRTs expect one guaranteed downvote from you. They have to fight harder to convince at least three mods to approve anything because they know that if it’s an upgrade, Damage will be there and Damage will disagree.
You were even part of the mods that approved the removal of lightspeed Kirin , and then you create a CRT to use it to justify capping the verse below lightning speed. They are so many verses on this platform Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, Bleach, God of Highschool... Etc please go and spend time with them too, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. At least a one month break
Ghostimuscrime
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I am not advocating to remove Damage, I don't mind his downgrade lust, it's the naruto-verse, everyone wants to put it down, I am merely speaking out of curiosity
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Damage should revise bleach GOW and TypeMoon (Fate) ngl, i wanna see how it plays outOkay, I appreciate your skepticism. However, could you please take your skepticism to another verse for a while just for a month, even? It feels like you’re not just skeptical; you actively use your position to influence our CRTs in a way that holds us back.
I’ve seen several cases where you don’t even have a counterargument yourself, but you wait for someone else to make one no matter how unreasonable and then side with them just to oppose the upgrade. At this point, most Naruto fans preparing CRTs expect one guaranteed downvote from you. They have to fight harder to convince at least three mods to approve anything because they know that if it’s an upgrade, Damage will be there and Damage will disagree.
You were even part of the mods that approved the removal of lightspeed Kirin , and then you create a CRT to use it to justify capping the verse below lightning speed. They are so many verses on this platform Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, Bleach, God of Highschool... Etc please go and spend time with them too, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. At least a one month break
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TBH I think Damage should make more CRTs for Naruto verse now.Okay, I appreciate your skepticism. However, could you please take your skepticism to another verse for a while just for a month, even? It feels like you’re not just skeptical; you actively use your position to influence our CRTs in a way that holds us back.
I’ve seen several cases where you don’t even have a counterargument yourself, but you wait for someone else to make one no matter how unreasonable and then side with them just to oppose the upgrade. At this point, most Naruto fans preparing CRTs expect one guaranteed downvote from you. They have to fight harder to convince at least three mods to approve anything because they know that if it’s an upgrade, Damage will be there and Damage will disagree.
You were even part of the mods that approved the removal of lightspeed Kirin , and then you create a CRT to use it to justify capping the verse below lightning speed. They are so many verses on this platform Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, Bleach, God of Highschool... Etc please go and spend time with them too, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. At least a one month break
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Personally I think that you're blowing it out of proportion. I've worked with other supporters of the verse on here who let me know of their plans for threads beforehand, and I worked with them in order to refine their ideas and arguments. Instead of trying to plot around me, I'd be happy if users just approached me with their ideas first and see if I had any criticisms of them to get out of the way.Okay, I appreciate your skepticism. However, could you please take your skepticism to another verse for a while just for a month, even? It feels like you’re not just skeptical; you actively use your position to influence our CRTs in a way that holds us back.
I’ve seen several cases where you don’t even have a counterargument yourself, but you wait for someone else to make one no matter how unreasonable and then side with them just to oppose the upgrade. At this point, most Naruto fans preparing CRTs expect one guaranteed downvote from you. They have to fight harder to convince at least three mods to approve anything because they know that if it’s an upgrade, Damage will be there and Damage will disagree.
You were even part of the mods that approved the removal of lightspeed Kirin , and then you create a CRT to use it to justify capping the verse below lightning speed. They are so many verses on this platform Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, Bleach, God of Highschool... Etc please go and spend time with them too, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. At least a one month break
If I could make a request too, I'd be happier if more fans instead of being concerned exclusively with ratings also worked on things like adding sources, references, scans, descriptions, etc. Improving the appearance and layout of profiles.
Stuff like UchihaSlayer's overhaul of Hagoromo's, Itachi's and Tsunade's profiles. etc. I'd be all in favor of things like that.
If it's any consolation, I am preparing threads for other verses too but I typically face a lot more opposition for my ideas than most people have to deal with on here which makes it difficult.
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Nah I know, I was just saying
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The problem with this is that it isn’t applied evenly across the board. Think of it this way: if Damage is constantly focused on the Naruto verse while only occasionally addressing other verses, it puts us at a disadvantage.
For example, I believe Naruto has more feats and statements supporting planetary, universal, and light-speed scaling than many other verses on this wiki. Yet, those other verses often get their feats and statements approved with far less scrutiny. When we try to create versus matches, our verse ends up getting stomped and those results are then accepted as truth on the wiki. But the real reason for those stomps is that Naruto is held to an absurdly high standard to get high-end CRTs approved.
Take this for instance: despite the numerous and casual moon-level to planetary feats scattered across the verse, we still have someone like Isshiki being scaled only to small-planetary levels. And we haven’t even factored in that Naruto’s planet is canonically larger than Earth, which only strengthens those feats but I digress.
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You didn't understand me brother, did you? I am just denying the method was used because first the beam sliced the moon in half and the action of the two halves happened after the force that sliced the moon in half went out so what caused the 2 halves to separate from each other was the remaining energy/ part of the main who already get out
It's up to you to prove the energy needed to slice the moon is equal to the action happened after that force went out
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Um uh conservation of energy gg...
Ghostimuscrime
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"I'm in agreement with this. I don't think it should extend to his other techniques"
im crying man this isnt even agreement bro's motive is clear he knows its irrefutable he just wants to limit the 2x as much as possible
nice crts on your end tho sparkle, i used to think you were an inverse merchant when I was new
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And that's why I am denying this method because the beam already went out so the energy remained inside must not be the same, the speed of beam was too fast that the moon reacted after the force which is the beam itself went out so the moon action is irrelevant to the beam
MinatoSparkle
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"I'm in agreement with this. I don't think it should extend to his other techniques"
im crying man this isnt even agreement bro's motive is clear he knows its irrefutable he just wants to limit the 2x as much as possible
It's somethingI'm not sure what you mean but thanks
Ghostimuscrime
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I meant I initially perceived you as someone that only cares about mid tiers inverse stuff so seeing you make crts about RSB being a 2x Amp was a nice and refreshing is all
I'm not sure what you mean but thanks
MinatoSparkle
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Well that is what I care most about but yeah I'm a bit of a jack of all trades (or master of all
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Uh no, but you're free to hold that opinion, I don't really care to convince you in general. Quite literally repeating what was in that thread.
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Does Base Naruto and Hinata destroying the Tenseigan sphere amount to anything AP-wise, or is it context-based? Been a while since I watched that movie.
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I wanna say that feat has been tried to death in upgrading Hinata, but is consistently debunked. I think it probably is nice for base Last Naruto tho
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Yeah. High 6-A
Isn't used anymore because Base Naruto now scales higher than the value
Naruto the Last: The (not so) Dark (In)Side of the Moon
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Ah, gotcha.Yeah. High 6-A
Isn't used anymore because Base Naruto now scales higher than the value
Naruto the Last: The (not so) Dark (In)Side of the Moon
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Yeah. High 6-A
Isn't used anymore because Base Naruto now scales higher than the value
Naruto the Last: The (not so) Dark (In)Side of the Moon
Wasn't it Low 5-B before?
MinatoSparkle
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Think about it like this, would it still be his fastest punch if he got way faster? Would Usain Bolt say someone outsprinted him at his fastest if the moment in question was a race in his elementary school days far from his prime? Doesn't make much semantical sense, does it?
They didn't fight as Kage, at least not verifiably. Minato only became Hokage after the war was over.
His nerve transmission and reaction speed are stated to be on par with Minato, not his movement or combat speed. Cee's also not that good a source but I'm fine if you wanna take the statement as an author insert.
Well he did box with Gyuki and would've been stronger than Bee at the time (who had seemingly attained Bijuu Mode and was just working on his Bijuudamas) considering he became Raikage, so it wouldn't be inconsistent
His headband is stopping it from flowing fully, you can see that the sides of his hair are still flowing which they don't in V1 afaik
Also, I don't know why you keep acting like Ay was some kid at the time and is only an adult in Shippuden. He was almost 30 during the war
I had a feeling this would be an argument. I see the logic and I agreed with it myself for a long time, but I don't think it's concrete or consistent with other scalings.
One part of the statement is describing a specific scene, but then it branches out to talk about the LCM's speed in general. V1 is a fanmade term after all, it's not like there's an actual different jutsu being used when he goes into "V2." A statement that's hyping up the overall technique's speed only being in reference to a suppressed version of it would be odd to say the least.
But more importantly, Minato scales to KCM Naruto as you said yourself, who is comparable to BM Bee, and even at 1/14th of his maximum chakra is at least comparable to Base Bee. This is essential because Bee scales to Suppressed V2 Ay, who would naturally be beyond FP V1 Ay. Thus Jonin Minato~KCM Naruto>>Fatigued KCM Naruto~/>Base Bee~Suppressed V2 Ay>V1 Ay.
There's also the fact that 3T FKS Sasuke reacted to and tagged V1 Ay, and even though he had a Chidori amp, that's still 3T FKS Sasuke, compared to KCM Naruto who's like 2 solid tiers faster. Not to mention mfing JUGO reacting to V1 Ay, if barely. That guy is not a FP KCM Naruto rival.
I'm not sure what you're arguing with this part?
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God-tier scaling is a mess on the wiki right now, Kishimoto has blessed this verse with so many feats for god-tiers that are more than enough to last to Saruto. But somehow everyone from Madara - Kaguya - Momoshiki - Fused Momoshiki - Jigen - Tbv Boruto - Isshiki - Baryon mode somehow scaled to the same Casual feat that Hagoromo performed.
We have people like Kaguya who before the second IT chakra absorption had so much chakra a Hagoromo-level Madara could not handle. Meanwhile, she has various feats herself but it is just ignored.
A simple Fused Momo is at least = Momo + kin Ap is not accepted. Meanwhile, we have dragon ball characters like Goku going from solar system to low multiversal in his Super Saiyan god form which he achieved by Six righteous Saiyans holding hands in a circle and transferring their ki into Goku. This would later affect the entire cast as many characters would later reach that level Via training, Eg, Krillin who was only star level before that.
Now let's contrast with the Naruto verse when the Uzuhiko came out. A CRT was immediately proposed to cap the Verse, However when we make the same argument for Boruto Uzuhiko that energy interaction doesn't always mean 1+1. It is ignored. The same feat that we can't even determine the amount of Planetary Charkra he used both times it was used, is supposed to cap the verse at planetary? Inconsistency and pure bias everywhere
We have people like Kaguya who before the second IT chakra absorption had so much chakra a Hagoromo-level Madara could not handle. Meanwhile, she has various feats herself but it is just ignored.
A simple Fused Momo is at least = Momo + kin Ap is not accepted. Meanwhile, we have dragon ball characters like Goku going from solar system to low multiversal in his Super Saiyan god form which he achieved by Six righteous Saiyans holding hands in a circle and transferring their ki into Goku. This would later affect the entire cast as many characters would later reach that level Via training, Eg, Krillin who was only star level before that.
Now let's contrast with the Naruto verse when the Uzuhiko came out. A CRT was immediately proposed to cap the Verse, However when we make the same argument for Boruto Uzuhiko that energy interaction doesn't always mean 1+1. It is ignored. The same feat that we can't even determine the amount of Planetary Charkra he used both times it was used, is supposed to cap the verse at planetary? Inconsistency and pure bias everywhere
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U all surger coating it ..he is over skeptical and can seem very dismissive ..if I'm not mistaken last year there was like a meme going around because he said you all should over look some scans because he didn't agree with the upgrade .
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Who?
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it literally is
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You do know eida has no idea on how to use it right ?
