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She won't have soul troubles unless she goes true briah.
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Medaka Kurokami verses Wolfgang Schreiber
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Don't worry,i call Fate-chan to come here.SchroKatze said:
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no even if she go true briah the soul cost is nullified its been perfected after all unlike wolfy. the problem is soul requierment like i said up there if she cant copy physical skill because she lack the body to do so why can she copy and use soul based skill while she lack the soul. mind and soul are 2 diffrent things after all
no even if she go true briah the soul cost is nullified its been perfected after all unlike wolfy. the problem is soul requierment like i said up there if she cant copy physical skill because she lack the body to do so why can she copy and use soul based skill while she lack the soul. mind and soul are 2 diffrent things after all
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>>> Implying I want to debate Medaka's powers with a guy who I once saw claiming he 100% believes she actually defeats even someone like Featherine Augustus Aurora if she has PLOT powers on.Veloxt1r0kore said:
Velox, my friend, pls.
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No you missunderstood.Akalavashimu said:
She can copy stuff that requires physical strength. If goku uses the genki dama to blow the earth, Medaka uses the same thing and blows the sun. It's a technique so she can acomplish that. Hinokage was much stronger than Medaka and his abnormality allowed his strong body (his abnormality was to be strong basically xD) to move at light speed, Medaka CAN copy that abnormality, it's no big deal. Anything aching to a skill or technique can be copied, though not the raw stats themselves.
If Medaka sees goku punch the earth. She cannot copy. If Medaka sees Wolfgang move at 1000 times the speed of light without using any skill or briah (let's just say he is physically capable of such feat normally), she can't recreate. (let's say Medaka is slower than Usain Bolt) She sees usain blot run, she can't copy. Though she sees Usain Blolt use some kind of running trick (im talking about stuff like, don't move his arms or hold them close that may somehow help), she copies. She sees Wolfgang use briah which requires a stronger soul etc etc, she copies. She sees goku go super sayan or use a ki blast, she copies and perfects.
She can copy ANY skill even those that exceed her physical limits, she cannot copy raw physique doe, because it goes towards "physical matter" so stuff such as weapons (example Gil's EA) and physical strength or raw stats cannot be copied via The End.
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> Implies plot doesn't exist on that level.FateAlbane said:
>Miss reads my points entirely and puts words in my mouth.
>Brings unrelated statements in another debate.
>Uses softcore insults as arguments.
>Hasn't seen this pic http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj209/margomeleon/2.jpg~original
>Doesn't know what PIS is or means. Hopes to take part in Medaka versus debates.
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goku genki dama is chi so yeah she should be able to cpoy skill to upgrade pyhsical yeah she should be able to copy to. copy super saiyan? idk. so goku fight she copy his fighting style but no raw power to backup so whats the difference with she copy briah but no soul?
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Saddly what Fate-chan said is true.Firephoenixearl said:
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well this is going no where since im not here to vote just to watch from the beginning ill just leave this to the pros. I really-really wish alrf to comeback always love watching him vs monarch
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I don't reason with you, Fire, for the simple reason at this point everyone knows you overestimate Medaka Box to infinite extents.
You're literally a meme in the wikia at this point at how much you exaggerate the series. Even actual Medaka Box supporters who disagree with one or another status for the series still look at you and think you should calm down and stop this overestimation already. You were reported multiple times for it even, by other users who are getting relatively tired of your behaviour towards the series in threads.
I never insulted you. Yet the way you constructed your reply makes you sound kind of hypocritical since that one *is* constructed a lot like one. I stated that as a reminder of how much you extrapolate this verse and never listen to reason from others when Medaka anything is involved. Because everyone sans you generally knows Featherine stomps the entire verse combined with less than a blink.
Hence why I have no reason to waste my time beating over points people already explained to you - myself included - a 100 times over and went straight over your head.
That's it. The end.
You're literally a meme in the wikia at this point at how much you exaggerate the series. Even actual Medaka Box supporters who disagree with one or another status for the series still look at you and think you should calm down and stop this overestimation already. You were reported multiple times for it even, by other users who are getting relatively tired of your behaviour towards the series in threads.
I never insulted you. Yet the way you constructed your reply makes you sound kind of hypocritical since that one *is* constructed a lot like one. I stated that as a reminder of how much you extrapolate this verse and never listen to reason from others when Medaka anything is involved. Because everyone sans you generally knows Featherine stomps the entire verse combined with less than a blink.
Hence why I have no reason to waste my time beating over points people already explained to you - myself included - a 100 times over and went straight over your head.
That's it. The end.
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I didn't get what you meant with that, it's a bit all over the place, can you please rephrase that? I got a bit of an idea of what you mean but i wanna be sure of what you're asking.Akalavashimu said:
@Velox Well techincally speaking she is not lying. Though the way she said it is a bit wrong.
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what i meant here is the pyhsical is pretty much soul. goku can destroy the earth because he got raw power to do so if she fight goku and copy goku the result is she only copy the style no raw power. wolfy can affect the world because he got enough desire and soul to do so if she fight wolfy she copy the desire but cannot affect the world because not enough soul to do so
ps: im only explaining here for the last time im not gonna join this debate heck im not here to vote in the begin with
ps: im only explaining here for the last time im not gonna join this debate heck im not here to vote in the begin with
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Well said Fate
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That is overall correct, but here are some mistakes.
1. I said softcore insult, you used Featherine as an insult, though not a clear insult, more of a shadowed one that's why i called it softcore.
2. No suporter of the verse actually disagrees with me, they did point out my agressivity and said i should be calmer when proving my points and let's say it has worked out.
3. Featherine stomps the verse, sure, when did i say she doesn't? She stomps Medaka, she stomps Ajimu etc etc. The author of the manga says, yeah featherine stay down, like how TOAA stood down when he met spidey, unless you are gonna say "Featherine is above the author".
That's it for the most part, let's stop it though, this is not the time nor place for it.
That is overall correct, but here are some mistakes.
1. I said softcore insult, you used Featherine as an insult, though not a clear insult, more of a shadowed one that's why i called it softcore.
2. No suporter of the verse actually disagrees with me, they did point out my agressivity and said i should be calmer when proving my points and let's say it has worked out.
3. Featherine stomps the verse, sure, when did i say she doesn't? She stomps Medaka, she stomps Ajimu etc etc. The author of the manga says, yeah featherine stay down, like how TOAA stood down when he met spidey, unless you are gonna say "Featherine is above the author".
That's it for the most part, let's stop it though, this is not the time nor place for it.
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Yeah ok, the difference is the desire and soul here translate into a skill or ability, while in goku's case it doesn't. Goku's raw power is just muscle fiber, a ki blast is different, it's a skill which can be copied. Same thing here, a soul is not sth that can be copied, the skill itself though, the briah can be copied.Akalavashimu said:
Medaka can copy the rasengan, can't copy naruto's chakra. She can copy the getsuga, can't copy reiatsu, can copy final flash, can't copy ki itself. See the difference? Once it becomes a skill it can be copied.
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here is the issue. Even if she somehow copies briah which is taught by merc so there is the issue her soul would be the expense of said briah regardless. Even then we have a gender issue commando who even a mental break will send him to a briah frenzy instead being faster by at least one step before medaka can do a lot. Everyone has pointed out the issue of briah copying and its not a smart move if you lack souls. Hell look at her
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nonono medaka can copy rasengan and final flash because she can understand how chi and chakra works from the observation skill and mastering how to handle them as you said child play but soul is different here if its just manipulating his/her own soul to use the move without a doubt she can use it but once its used something like 1000 soul that is something she cant do because there is no way she got around those massive lack of soul unless she start gathering some. I forgot why she cant copy style again?
hey ALRF still here i thought he gonna leave vsbattle for a while after reading the thread he made
hey ALRF still here i thought he gonna leave vsbattle for a while after reading the thread he made
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This thread is turning into "The End can copy anything" thread...again.
Remind me back to the time when Exalted fan arguing Perfect Defense can block everything perfectly....
Anyway, already cast my vote to Wolfboy since Medaka in character wont uses any skills other than her modes (yes, i know about passive skills, but most of the time, Medaka got them turned off)
Remind me back to the time when Exalted fan arguing Perfect Defense can block everything perfectly....
Anyway, already cast my vote to Wolfboy since Medaka in character wont uses any skills other than her modes (yes, i know about passive skills, but most of the time, Medaka got them turned off)
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Schreiber too, he's going to blitz and send her to Gladsheim and I'll highly doubt she can AF it.
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@Akala The reason she couldn't copy styles is practically a PIS. A plot induced weakness, so since styles are words, a prefect being like Medaka cannot understand commoners. You get the point, it's just PIS.
And again i already explained why Briah is nothing exceptional to the rule. It doesn't fall under The End's weakness and it's just another skill like a Minus though with somewhat different mechanics. If we were to go that indepth nothing would work inside the wiki. "Khorne nulls Medaka, except he doesn't cus he has never shown an abnormality, he can only null skills from his verse so good bye". Let's end this part already this is just gonna go deeper, it's basically a minus, so via verse equalization Medaka copies (ez).
@Frohe, That's IF he doesn't get blitzed first. Remember Medaka's Briah > Wolf's Briah.
And again i already explained why Briah is nothing exceptional to the rule. It doesn't fall under The End's weakness and it's just another skill like a Minus though with somewhat different mechanics. If we were to go that indepth nothing would work inside the wiki. "Khorne nulls Medaka, except he doesn't cus he has never shown an abnormality, he can only null skills from his verse so good bye". Let's end this part already this is just gonna go deeper, it's basically a minus, so via verse equalization Medaka copies (ez).
@Frohe, That's IF he doesn't get blitzed first. Remember Medaka's Briah > Wolf's Briah.
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That's...not how work Niflheim Fenriswolf and i'll highly doubt (again) she would be able to copy it.
Would she be able to react to such speed in less than one second?
Would she be able to withstand Schreiber's soulhax since he can haxx her to oblivion by just glaring and breathing?
Would she be able to react to such speed in less than one second?
Would she be able to withstand Schreiber's soulhax since he can haxx her to oblivion by just glaring and breathing?
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No speed, the copy is passive.Frohe Magnolia said:
Yes and then again, he would die thousands of times over before reaching Medaka.
Dmg can be negged via All Fiction.
And already went over this stuff, Briah is just a different minus, nothing else to it.
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No Fire. All Fiction cannot neg soul death.
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Die Ewigkeit and Minuses are totally different tho, you can't compare them.
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It can negate any attempt that leads to it.ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
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Not if her soul is completely destroyed.
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Alright, we are now going into circles. It is time to end this copying nonsense with actual confirmations.
1. So, for those stating that Medaka is unable to copy Briah. I like to escort you to this thread Hax Resistance <----This thread backed up by majority moderators of Vsbattle and Antvasima himself in short agreement to "Unless the said character has shown some type of resistance or immunity to blatantly say a hax won't work is NLF."
Wolf haven't shown resistance or immunity to stop Medaka's The End from being copied. So, if we really going to keep fighting this. Make a CRT why said character should avoid having their abilities copy end though they lack resistance or immunty.
2. For those stating that Medaka will be unable to successfully use Briah once copied. I like to thank SchroKatze and TISSG7Redgrave for properly explaining the casualties of Medaka's downfall for attempting to use Briah because of the soul issue. However, Fire and I have already presented our claims on why Medaka will not have such issue.
Firephoenixearl already issued the fact of Medaka's Observation skill.
So, in short my vote still stands for Medaka.
1. So, for those stating that Medaka is unable to copy Briah. I like to escort you to this thread Hax Resistance <----This thread backed up by majority moderators of Vsbattle and Antvasima himself in short agreement to "Unless the said character has shown some type of resistance or immunity to blatantly say a hax won't work is NLF."
Wolf haven't shown resistance or immunity to stop Medaka's The End from being copied. So, if we really going to keep fighting this. Make a CRT why said character should avoid having their abilities copy end though they lack resistance or immunty.
2. For those stating that Medaka will be unable to successfully use Briah once copied. I like to thank SchroKatze and TISSG7Redgrave for properly explaining the casualties of Medaka's downfall for attempting to use Briah because of the soul issue. However, Fire and I have already presented our claims on why Medaka will not have such issue.
Firephoenixearl already issued the fact of Medaka's Observation skill.
- Observatio (Þª│Õ»ƒ, Kansatsu): Very similar to Maguro's Analysis, it is the method through which The End copies other abilities. In Altered God Mode it is "perfected" and allows her to see the processes of actions broken down to allow easier observation and copying.
- All Fiction: A Minus that allows her to deny aspects of reality; to make anything "nothing". Because of this, she can undo anything that has been damaged. However, it has been stated that once she removes something with her Minus, she cannot return it, as it has become "fiction". This ability can even automatically reverse her own death as well as the death of others.
So, in short my vote still stands for Medaka.
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And this is the part where someone brings up type 8.
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Already explained why Medaka bypasses that too.The God Of Procrastination said:
Though I love how detailed CommonSense can be xD.
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Unless you show All Fiction affecting souls, that whole argument falls apart and implodes on itself, though.
By that line of thought I could go and say Lavos affects Concepts and Law Manips because he has powers interacting with Non-Corporeal, Souls, Causality, Time, Space, Mind, Thoughts, Memories, etc ~ which are other types of abstract/reality thingies.
By that line of thought I could go and say Lavos affects Concepts and Law Manips because he has powers interacting with Non-Corporeal, Souls, Causality, Time, Space, Mind, Thoughts, Memories, etc ~ which are other types of abstract/reality thingies.
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So basically, yeah.
Not saying she loses, but pretty sure if Medaka does copy Briah, she proceeds to self-destruct due to soul cost.
Not saying she loses, but pretty sure if Medaka does copy Briah, she proceeds to self-destruct due to soul cost.
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Well it's just an action m8. It attacks my soul...just erase the attack, the target is not exactly the problem here, though then again it can just affect the Briah just like how it affected Raf Rafflesia to negate it's soul consumption also they said it doesn't need souls to work, only to upgrade.FateAlbane said:
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First of all: Briah DON'T use the user's soul as ammo. But it takes a great ammount of souls, an incredibly strong ego, a Holy Relic (tied to the user's soul) and a complete obsession with something to the point of your own soul craving for said thing to even REACH Briah stage.
Just "copying" isn't enough, you need to meet a shitton of conditions to even get a Briah and maybe get it to activate (Like Ren's case, where it first activated randomly) Saying that she can get around that is NLF.
Just "copying" isn't enough, you need to meet a shitton of conditions to even get a Briah and maybe get it to activate (Like Ren's case, where it first activated randomly) Saying that she can get around that is NLF.
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I mean Medaka has two of those things.SchroKatze said:
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Huh? Yes, it does. You can totally use your own soul as fuel for Briah. Beatrice did just that. Same with Ren. The issue is that sooner or later your performance degrades and you basically destroy your own soul by doing so. Same case with Claudia in that due to her suddenly activating Briah with no fuel to maintain it, she used her own. What is worse is that her Briah also targets herself, so it gets even worse.SchroKatze said:
Heck, even Wilhelm does so in Interview at the end.
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Medaka's not really egotistical persay, but she has an extremely strong sense of self and has literally devoted her entire exsitance to helping others far beyond what normal people would ever or could ever perform.
