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Okay I don't want to get into big paragraphs and make others confused. I will keep it short.
We have infinite speed things and Characters performing infinite speed feats. Not to mention few characters are actually capable of Traveling Infinite distance through sheer speed.
People who has feats for travelling infinite distance by speed
Already Accepted in previous thread
Things that's Travels infinite distance
There are few things already introduced in the verse that have immeasurable speed.
Eges, Shins, Sword and Eques are already accepted as immeasurable speed so don't bother Explaining why they have immeasurable speed.
Statement Comes from Anos POV who has immeasurable speed
Naftas Immeasurable Speed Feat
Nafta can skip time and move to future Physically
Statement Comes from Anos POV who has immeasurable speed
Balzarondo Immeasurable Speed
Balzarondo can cut through time with sheer speed
Just a reminder anyone who tries to bring up Balzarondo speed was not immeasurable. He was literally holding back at that time.
It's amazing to see how Anos, who had already reacted to the spear of Eges that has immeasurable speed, was seeing Balzarondo with the blurred figure. As much as he managed to hold his leg, it's evident that Balzarondo has immeasurable speed just for that detail that is obviously important in the story. Not to mention breaking the world with speed is not something I see being possible with speeds massively above light or infinity.
Shin Immeasurable Speed
Anos confirms Shin being superior to Four Evil Kings (which includes Eges ) and won't lose even if they attack him at once
Anos states Shin can fight four Evil Kings and win even if they all attacks him at once. Shin was also stated to be on Par with Anos in combat speed and Shin was even able to keep up with Graham. Finally Shin Even Casually dodges Eges spear.
Sasha Immeasurable Combat speed
When Eques spins his gears he skips time and attacks his opponents and Sasha was able to keep up him and react and attack him.
Deeper Layers Inhabitants Speed Feats
Note: Balzarondo is also a deeper layers inhabitants
Shin who can react & dodge Eges spear can't keep up with Deeper layers inhabitants speed & Goes on to say their speed is beyond his reach
Yzark Claws Casually cuts Anos into pieces where Anos could Dodge and catch Eges spear not to mention he could keep up with Eques & Nafta in terms of speed.
Eges Spear getting Caught by Deeper Layers Inhabitants
From the above scans you can see Eges spear constantly got caught by Deeper layers inhabitants
There are two Speed upgrades needed
Reasoning
SCALING CHAIN
Eges Spear ( Immeasurable speed) < Shin < Anos (Pre Silver Sea arc) < Deeper Layers Inhabitants ~ Current Versions of Anos subordinates
Conclusion:
Silver exists in an power Hierarchy Deeper the world the stronger and faster the inhabitants. Shallow layer 2 inhabitants would be above baseline the speed of shallow layer 1. Same goes for chief gods as they are World itself. So for example Eques was layer 1 Chief god he will be baseline below the speed and power of layer 2 chief god. Its how the hierarchy works and Eques already has immeasurable.
So it should be mentioned as baseline above immeasurable speed for deeper layers inhabitants.
Agree with everything:
@God900 @Overlord_THE_END @Tatsumi504 @Dread @Orioreeem @wwereymy235 @Kiyotaka @Ubdon @ZinnaiYama
@Caduz213
Partial agree:
@Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara (disgree with Balzarondo speed and NAFTA)
@azontr (same reasons as @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara)
@Vasco (disgreed by bringing Whatsbousm)
@Blackcurrant91 ( disgrees with above baseline because according to him above baseline doesn't Exists)
Neutral: 0
Complete Disagree: 0
Okay I don't want to get into big paragraphs and make others confused. I will keep it short.
We have infinite speed things and Characters performing infinite speed feats. Not to mention few characters are actually capable of Traveling Infinite distance through sheer speed.
People who has feats for travelling infinite distance by speed
Already Accepted in previous thread
Things that's Travels infinite distance
- Silver Magic Bullet
- Silver Ships which are created by Chief gods
There are few things already introduced in the verse that have immeasurable speed.
- Eges Spear
- Shin Sword
- Eques
- Nafta
- Balzarondo Speed
Eges, Shins, Sword and Eques are already accepted as immeasurable speed so don't bother Explaining why they have immeasurable speed.
Statement Comes from Anos POV who has immeasurable speed
Naftas Immeasurable Speed Feat
As if accelerating into the future, Nafta moves to my body and swings the sword of Kandakuisorte vigorously.
The sword emperor appeared in front of me as if leaping over the future, and swung down the great sword of the future world, Kandakuisorte, at the top of his head.
Nafta can skip time and move to future Physically
Statement Comes from Anos POV who has immeasurable speed
Balzarondo Immeasurable Speed
."My sword is the fastest blade. The Balzarondo style hunting sword that cuts through time."
A silence covered the place, giving the illusion that time had stopped.
In a world where everything was stationary, only Balzarondo was moving.
No, the man's sword was far too fast.
A silence covered the place, giving the illusion that time had stopped.
In a world where everything was stationary, only Balzarondo was moving.
No, the man's sword was far too fast.
Just a reminder anyone who tries to bring up Balzarondo speed was not immeasurable. He was literally holding back at that time.
"In your world, he must be a man of some strength."
Balzarondo pointed at Lay.
"But I took it easy on him in the previous match. The man was not able to keep up with my speed even after I took it easy on him. If I were to get serious, the level of this world would be broken. Let me make this clear."
As soon as I thought his figure blurred, he instantly went for my backside.
As I caught the kick that was released without a pause with my palm, sparks of magic power scattered violently.
Balzarondo pointed at Lay.
"But I took it easy on him in the previous match. The man was not able to keep up with my speed even after I took it easy on him. If I were to get serious, the level of this world would be broken. Let me make this clear."
As soon as I thought his figure blurred, he instantly went for my backside.
As I caught the kick that was released without a pause with my palm, sparks of magic power scattered violently.
It's amazing to see how Anos, who had already reacted to the spear of Eges that has immeasurable speed, was seeing Balzarondo with the blurred figure. As much as he managed to hold his leg, it's evident that Balzarondo has immeasurable speed just for that detail that is obviously important in the story. Not to mention breaking the world with speed is not something I see being possible with speeds massively above light or infinity.
Shin Immeasurable Speed
"I've fought the four evil royals before. I don't think they could beat Sin Reglia, even if the four of them were to come at him together."
He said to the two members of the Four Evil Kings who were looking at him sharply.
"You have an unusual posture, don't you? Both of you. It looks like you have a lot of openings."
"Then try this, right arm of the Demon King. This is the correct stance."
As soon as Eges spoke these words, the tip of the red-blooded spear, DahidAtem, disappeared and appeared before Shin's eyes. At the same time, the arrows of the cursed bow netroavs were released.
Immediately after the arrow and spear pierced Shin - or so it seemed - leaving an afterimage, his body appeared before the eyes of Eges and Kaihilam.
"You have an unusual posture, don't you? Both of you. It looks like you have a lot of openings."
"Then try this, right arm of the Demon King. This is the correct stance."
As soon as Eges spoke these words, the tip of the red-blooded spear, DahidAtem, disappeared and appeared before Shin's eyes. At the same time, the arrows of the cursed bow netroavs were released.
Immediately after the arrow and spear pierced Shin - or so it seemed - leaving an afterimage, his body appeared before the eyes of Eges and Kaihilam.
Sasha Immeasurable Combat speed
Eques dodged the "Extreme Prisoner's Ashtray Cannon Egil Grone Angudoroa" at a speed that seemed to have skipped through time, and came around behind me, raising his right arm.
The cogwheel of his hand spun at high speed and was thrust out as if to run over my face.
I grabbed it with my left hand and took it carelessly.
The cog spun in my hand, but I held it down and brought it to a halt.
"...... Geez ......!"
'Did you think your future could reach my past?
The cogwheel of his hand spun at high speed and was thrust out as if to run over my face.
I grabbed it with my left hand and took it carelessly.
The cog spun in my hand, but I held it down and brought it to a halt.
"...... Geez ......!"
'Did you think your future could reach my past?
From the black ashes piled up on the earth, Eques appears and flies into the sky.
The speed of the one who spun the gears with giddy gears is extreme, and in an instant, he stands in front of Ray's eyes.
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The black sun scorched the Eques.
But if the gears of its body turned with vigor, the gaze of final destruction ran over it in the blink of an eye.
''If the world leaves its archetype, it means I leave mine. Whatever the method, if this world does not perish, I too will not perish."
Sasha avoided the countless <Cutting Defective Gear Abyss> that were released by repeatedly changing direction with her <Flying Flesh>, but in the gap, she allowed Eques to approach her.
The speed of the one who spun the gears with giddy gears is extreme, and in an instant, he stands in front of Ray's eyes.
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The black sun scorched the Eques.
But if the gears of its body turned with vigor, the gaze of final destruction ran over it in the blink of an eye.
''If the world leaves its archetype, it means I leave mine. Whatever the method, if this world does not perish, I too will not perish."
Sasha avoided the countless <Cutting Defective Gear Abyss> that were released by repeatedly changing direction with her <Flying Flesh>, but in the gap, she allowed Eques to approach her.
Deeper Layers Inhabitants Speed Feats
Note: Balzarondo is also a deeper layers inhabitants
Undeterred, Zaimon stepped forward and quickly drew the sword at his waist.
At the same time, Shin, who had stepped in front of me, drew his magic sword from the magic circle.
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With that, Zaimon sheathed his sword.
At the same moment, there was a dull thud, and the sword blade of the Ryuukoraku Sword Artcoruasta in Shin's hand snapped in half.
At the same time, Shin, who had stepped in front of me, drew his magic sword from the magic circle.
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With that, Zaimon sheathed his sword.
At the same moment, there was a dull thud, and the sword blade of the Ryuukoraku Sword Artcoruasta in Shin's hand snapped in half.
"It is not only the difference in the magic sword that broke the Ryuukage sword in a single bout. At least, things such as pure physical strength, speed, and magic power would be beyond me now. In this deep world, he is apparently a strong man!"
Zymon's speed increases further.
The Castle Demon Tribe, which even claims to be the first in the deep world of Balandias, is several steps faster than Shin, and plays with his vision.
The Castle Demon Tribe, which even claims to be the first in the deep world of Balandias, is several steps faster than Shin, and plays with his vision.
Shin who can react & dodge Eges spear can't keep up with Deeper layers inhabitants speed & Goes on to say their speed is beyond his reach
With his fangs peeking out, he wields his five claws.
"Shhhh!"
Space is severed, and the claws tear apart my body at a distance.
The demon king's blood gushes out from the root.
A trail of claws was left in the sky that extended beyond the horizon.
Without a pause, the left-hand claw of the disaster is swung down.
"Ta-da!"
A blue claw strike rushes forward.
Black blood gushes from my body, and the sky is torn into five claws.
"Shhhh!"
Space is severed, and the claws tear apart my body at a distance.
The demon king's blood gushes out from the root.
A trail of claws was left in the sky that extended beyond the horizon.
Without a pause, the left-hand claw of the disaster is swung down.
"Ta-da!"
A blue claw strike rushes forward.
Black blood gushes from my body, and the sky is torn into five claws.
Yzark Claws Casually cuts Anos into pieces where Anos could Dodge and catch Eges spear not to mention he could keep up with Eques & Nafta in terms of speed.
Eges Spear getting Caught by Deeper Layers Inhabitants
The Dark Lord wielded the Red Blood Demon Spear.
In the empty space, a red spear flash appeared.
"You can't hide your presence!"
With the Second Secret <Dimensional Flash> Eges slashes at the presence he senses. While his magic was stripped away, he barely avoided a direct hit from the magic spear.
What was revealed was a doll wearing a suit of armor and carrying a sword.
In the empty space, a red spear flash appeared.
"You can't hide your presence!"
With the Second Secret <Dimensional Flash> Eges slashes at the presence he senses. While his magic was stripped away, he barely avoided a direct hit from the magic spear.
What was revealed was a doll wearing a suit of armor and carrying a sword.
Having gone through battles in various worlds and having studied hard, the Pluto King's ability has increased by several orders of magnitude compared to when he was in the world of Militia. As he said, no matter how the enemy may be the proud abyssal army of the magic bullet world of Eresia, he will not fall behind a small army.
The Dark Lord did not back down, but counterattacked with a <Dimensional Flash Jigen Sen>. The red spear flash raced forward, but Zen easily caught it with only his left arm.
The two captains approached at high speed to hold the spears with their bodies, but the blood spears changed speed even faster than that.
The spears changed their trajectory right in front of them, and they reached out and grabbed the spears as if they were expecting it.
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In the space of a single breath, four consecutive thrusts. The dimension-crossing Dilfinschtein pierced the blue magic bullet immediately after it was fired.
However, no explosion occurs.
Berenizia Noin
It was a fake magic bullet, similar to the <Magic Deep Flow Wave Cannon>.
Viridia drops her gun and grabs the tip of the magic spear. No matter how many dimensions he crosses, the spearhead is still connected to the magic spear in Eges hand. With a mighty, uncontrollable grip, he seizes Dilfinnshtein.
"Lay down your arms and surrender, and I will spare your life."
The spears changed their trajectory right in front of them, and they reached out and grabbed the spears as if they were expecting it.
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In the space of a single breath, four consecutive thrusts. The dimension-crossing Dilfinschtein pierced the blue magic bullet immediately after it was fired.
However, no explosion occurs.
Berenizia Noin
It was a fake magic bullet, similar to the <Magic Deep Flow Wave Cannon>.
Viridia drops her gun and grabs the tip of the magic spear. No matter how many dimensions he crosses, the spearhead is still connected to the magic spear in Eges hand. With a mighty, uncontrollable grip, he seizes Dilfinnshtein.
"Lay down your arms and surrender, and I will spare your life."
From the above scans you can see Eges spear constantly got caught by Deeper layers inhabitants
There are two Speed upgrades needed
- Shin and Sasha, Possibly Misha for immeasurable Combat and Reaction speed. Also NAFTA profile should get upgraded to immesurerable speed.
- Arcana MFTL speed for Silver Sea should be removed and replaced with atleast Infinite speed. She was able to travel infinite distance in finite time don't why Mftl even listed.
- Immeasurable Combat Speed for all Sovereigns and Chief Gods
Reasoning
- After introducing Silver Sea infinite speed become a common thing and all deeper layers inhabitants are Infinitely stronger and faster than Shallow layer inhabitants.
- Shin and Anos are overwhelmed by speed of Deeper layers inhabitants ( of course they adapts and Negs them later words let's leave that aside)
- Shin, who was able to keep up with Eges spear, can't keep up with any of the deeper layers' inhabitants.
- Anos who can keep up with Eges spear, Shin, Naftas future attacks, Eques and he also has feats for being faster than Eques fate hax which would affect character even if they exert their speed to go back before the concept of time existed couldn't keep up deeper layers inhabitants.
- Final Point is Eges spear which has immeasurable speed itself getting caught by Deeper layers inhabitants.
SCALING CHAIN
Eges Spear ( Immeasurable speed) < Shin < Anos (Pre Silver Sea arc) < Deeper Layers Inhabitants ~ Current Versions of Anos subordinates
Conclusion:
- Shin & Sasha should obviously get immeasurable Combat and Reaction speed. Possibly Misha too as she is comparable to Sasha ( this is pre SilverSea keys). NAFTA should get immeasurable speed.
- Arcana Mftl speed should be removed.
- All Deeper layers inhabitants should get immeasurable Combat and Reaction speed and also all of Anos subordinates who can fight them should also get the same rating.
Silver Water Holy Sea: An area encompassing many "worlds" that extend outside of them. Each world exists in a hierarchy, and the deeper the world, the stronger its order, and the more powerful its inhabitants.
Silver exists in an power Hierarchy Deeper the world the stronger and faster the inhabitants. Shallow layer 2 inhabitants would be above baseline the speed of shallow layer 1. Same goes for chief gods as they are World itself. So for example Eques was layer 1 Chief god he will be baseline below the speed and power of layer 2 chief god. Its how the hierarchy works and Eques already has immeasurable.
So it should be mentioned as baseline above immeasurable speed for deeper layers inhabitants.
Agree with everything:
@God900 @Overlord_THE_END @Tatsumi504 @Dread @Orioreeem @wwereymy235 @Kiyotaka @Ubdon @ZinnaiYama
@Caduz213
Partial agree:
- Agreed with speed chain
- Disgree with natta and Balzarondo speed
@Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara (disgree with Balzarondo speed and NAFTA)
@azontr (same reasons as @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara)
@Vasco (disgreed by bringing Whatsbousm)
@Blackcurrant91 ( disgrees with above baseline because according to him above baseline doesn't Exists)
Neutral: 0
Complete Disagree: 0
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