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Apparently, our standards says if one guy sees another character with infinite speed as frozen, he is immeasurable speed. But yeah, it has nothing to do with OP.
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Anos Voldigoad MFTL+ Speed Downgrade.
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Never noticed that, then yeah I guess he would be Immeasurable if there's feats of that. Would anybody else scale to him if this gets applied?
EldemadeDityjon
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Feat in thread does mentioned about no speed or concepts of distance or Interval for Aeges speed.
How is this is not a speed feat?
Fine I will count you as disagree.
I am arguing for atleast infinite speed. Immeasurable speed i will remove it if staffs disagrees
Also i am giving example for you Anos will get immeasurable speed in future. Currently getting infinite speed is not a quite reach.
What I see from you is Arguments from incredulity.
Check the OP and Kanji which is used. There is no concept of distance for Aeges spear. This does has everything to do with whatever in the OP.
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Y’know I wanna say I didn’t fall for the clickbait title but who am I kidding I saw “Anos” and “downgrade” and just immediately clicked to see if the thread turned to chaos yet.
Anyways, I disagree with this mainly because off of the scans you presented it kinda seems less like infinite speed and more like the spear just ignores the distance by cutting through via another dimension. Mainly grabbing this from how it says it cuts through dimensions and how the tip was said to have come from another dimension. May be misinterpreting it though
Anyways, I disagree with this mainly because off of the scans you presented it kinda seems less like infinite speed and more like the spear just ignores the distance by cutting through via another dimension. Mainly grabbing this from how it says it cuts through dimensions and how the tip was said to have come from another dimension. May be misinterpreting it though
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Yeah, but the proposal is not about spear speed but rather the characters who can dodge or react to it, as the scan says it ignores distance conceptually or at it's very meaning. So dodging it would take infinite speed regardless.
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Eh… that’s debatable. It’d be possible to dodge that via stuff like aim dodging/guessing where it’ll appear based on how it goes wherever it’s pointed at or just via them dodging off of it appearing but it just moves at a finite speed (ie it appears through the dimension it comes from and they just dodge it from there)
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Not necessarily. Abaddon is right here, what the scans actually say don't support interpreting this "concept of distance" thing as literal.
"Aeges pointed the tip of the spear at his target. There were ten meters between them them. Aeges thrust Dehiddatem forward. The top half of the spear vanished, reappearing on the inner side of Gennul's cloak. "
"That said, there was still a way out. Activating my Magic Eyes, I stared into the space as a crack appeared in the nothingness. A crimson lance suddenly shut out of the wall, its tip slicing into our dimension. Lay stepped back at the last moment and evaded it."
I'm also inclined to see this as just a spear that can essentially cut through space to arrive at a point very very close to it's target, which is obviously very dangerous and an effective weapon, but not some kind of conceptual spear that infinite or immeasurable speed would be needed to avoid.
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I do not agree with this
The "future" is currently discarded and treated as irrelevant to the profiles
The LN is what's used
You can't blame him for sticking to the context provided thus far in the LN
You could have just waited until the "future" becomes the "present"
He isn't arguing from incredulity if he's sticking with the context provided in the accepted canon source
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Yes, It is really misinterpreted. Because
- Spear lacks the concepts of distance
- Infront of this spear there is no speed stands a chance.
- Additionally lay dodging it has nothing to with Anos Perception because Novels runs in first person narrative. Anos speed is above Aeges spear speed that's all.
- Spear would be inside the target in no time that's why interval means nothing infront of this spear.
- Dimension is here refering to spear moving through space-time and instantly hitting the target. Bleach Lille barro also has Infinite speed with just "concepts of dodging doesn't matter " i don't see why this don't qualify with concepts of distance statement.
- I would like to mention Dontalk and Ultima did have their input previously to dereck as it's atleast infinite speed. I can share you the screenshot of you want.
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Sure, you can share those.
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I had an inkling it was this kind of situation.
Ultima gets a lot of questions like that where he is provided bare minimum context if any at all, and is usually answering from the perspective of "if you dodge a spear that ignores distance it's infinite speed," not really giving an informed opinion about whether interpreting the spear as literally ignoring distance is the most reasonable option in the context.
But, he may disagree with me and Abaddon on that, so @Ultima_Reality if you could clarify your thoughts if you have the time.
Ultima gets a lot of questions like that where he is provided bare minimum context if any at all, and is usually answering from the perspective of "if you dodge a spear that ignores distance it's infinite speed," not really giving an informed opinion about whether interpreting the spear as literally ignoring distance is the most reasonable option in the context.
But, he may disagree with me and Abaddon on that, so @Ultima_Reality if you could clarify your thoughts if you have the time.
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I am arguing for infinite speed. If 0 time may qualify for immeasurable speed. If Immeasurable speed gets Disagreed. I am fine with that.
But ultima statement and explanation does gives my OP atleast Infinite speed.
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Problem is, that's a different statement. It says that time and distance are irrelevant to the spear, while the translation we're using says armor and speed; Quite a big difference, so I wouldn't take Ultima's word at face value here.
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Receck the OP.
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This is really very simple, it is just another case of people trying to complicate things unnecessarily.
The spear has the ability to teleport/dimensional travel, so it appears very close to the targets or around them. Not once was it said to appear directly on their skin, in fact the closest we go was the spear appearing inside a cloak, but dodging that will still not be infinite speed as the spear has a finite speed. I can dodge something that is 0.000001m away from me if I am MHS and the projectile is human speed, I do not need infinite speed.
The whole distance or speed do not matter is because of the spear's dimensional travel that is all. The whole context is the spear ability for dimensional travel
The spear has the ability to teleport/dimensional travel, so it appears very close to the targets or around them. Not once was it said to appear directly on their skin, in fact the closest we go was the spear appearing inside a cloak, but dodging that will still not be infinite speed as the spear has a finite speed. I can dodge something that is 0.000001m away from me if I am MHS and the projectile is human speed, I do not need infinite speed.
The whole distance or speed do not matter is because of the spear's dimensional travel that is all. The whole context is the spear ability for dimensional travel
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So uh... why are we using Deepl and the Russion translation of all things, when it was agreed that the new profile should use the official English translation?
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I'm disagreeing with both infinite and immeasurable speed.
I agree.
+1
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It also said 'no time' or 'no distance ' is meaningless infront of the spear this clearly atleast infinite
EldemadeDityjon
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Chase translation is below there did you ignored it ? Same guy who is helping you with Nasu translation?
I have called @LordGriffin1000 who has contributed in infinite speed in vs wiki page. I will wait for his input then
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@LephyrTheRevanchist @Theglassman12 @DontTalkDT @Damage3245 @KingTempest any thoughts on this? The OP is arguing for infinite speed, but myself and Abaddon disagree as it seems to just be a spear that can cut through space to arrive very close to its target, not that it conceptually ignores distance or anything like that.
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Pain hasn't read the series don't know the context behind the scans either calling it as teleportation is big headcanon.
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I didn't ignore it, no. I said that I don't think it should be taken literally.
Don't make comments like this. This is ad hominem. You don't need to read a series to assess a feat. You are responsible as the OP for providing the relevant context to make sure it can be understood.
For my part, the effect does seem quite close to teleportation, it just appears to be able to "cut" through space and arrive close to it's target.
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It was also translated by @Chasekilleen who knows japnese pretty well and using Raws is fine because sometimes even offical translation messes up.
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The quality of the translation isn't being questioned here, rather, if it was indeed agreed upon that the official english translation should be used, then we should not be using raws or Russian translations to circumvent that.
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I need a scan where it states as teleportation if it's teleportation why would author mentioned "No speed" you are taking this out of context.
Calling it as teleportation without anywhere it mentioning is completely headcanon. Also context nowhere states as teleportation instead Pierce.
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You're overreacting. We're not saying it literally teleports, it's just an easier way of saying "cuts through space in such a way that allows it to skip the distance between it and it's target"
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Where is speed mentioned? Even in the various unusable translations you've brought up, speed isn't mentioned, only distance.
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The spear is extending through dimensions not teleporting or warping. It elongates to reach the target, crossing dimensions in the process.
If the spear can skip the concept of distance which would mean spear would still have infinite speed. What would happen if.
Character A stands at infinite distance sway from characters B.
Spear can still reach character B that's still infinite attack speed.
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Ehhh not really, if the official translation is saying something different from the raws then we shall use the raws.
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Sure teleporting happens in no time
I can read just fine and your scans says these
It will be really dishonest to say the spear has nothing to do with dimensional travel/teleportation with this scans so please by all means I am not the one using head canons it will be the other way around
Also read what is meant by dimensional travel and teleportation
the spear moves from one location to another without physically crossing but simply by causing cracks in space and appearing next to the characters, if that is not teleportation then what is it?
Also the whole TL thing is counter intuitive to the reason why the verse was deleted, you claim to want to use official TL only stick to that
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I suppose I should clear it up, Previous profiles were deleted because of MTLs or wrong translations, we accept human translations as we know that many scans of Anime, novels comes from official merchandise or guides that may have not been translated. So as long as the Translations are valid, they can be used, MTLs aren't valid tho, given the previous profile deletion.
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So dimensional travel, that's the term you're looking for.
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That has no concept of distance and time. so character's who can see or react to this should gain infinite speed.
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Where is this stated?
Also, it not having a concept of distance is attributable to it crossing dimensions, not raw speed.
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I did. They don't mention the spear ignoring time.
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Check op where @Chasekilleen said it
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That's not what the scans say:
The top half of the spear vanished, reappearing on the inner side of Gennul's cloak.
Only the top half vanished. then it reappeared inside Gennul's cloak. Sounds like a Portal gun type of thing, it enters another dimension and comes "back out" closer to the target.
Activating my Magic Eyes, I stared into the space as a crack appeared in the nothingness. A crimson lance suddenly shut out of the wall, its tip slicing into our dimension. Lay stepped back at the last moment and evaded it.
Same thing here.
And again:
"A crimson spear came flying out of nowhere, aimed straight at his body."
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