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At this point, it’s just a matter of waiting for Medeus to come with more arguments/concede, cause I doubt we’re gonna make any progress otherwise.
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I reiterate, what makes you think Goku could’ve just bodied them at any moment when the scene implies nothing of the sort.I'm still not buying the Zoirey or Tupper examples; repelling light ki blasts is something even weaker characters do against stronger characters regularly. Same with getting weighed down.
What does Krillin have to do with anything here, exactly? And assuming Goku was more serious against Krillin than the fighters in the ToP is headcanon (especially when the context points to the opppsite, as he was just trying to help Krillin’s confidence).You do realize Goku actually did turned SSB against Krillin, to make Krillin think he was going all out which Android 18 new full well Goku was just toying with him. Do I really need to explain this again? I thought it was agreed Krillin shouldn't be 3-A. But even that fight was seemingly done with more seriousness than what was happening in the tournament. And he was pretty much doing the same thing he did against Skinny Buu.
I didn’t say Ribrianne repelled a light ki blast, she directly no-sold a ki beam that hit her after clashing with it for an extended period of time. And no, Vegeta was not “clearly overpowering her,” they had a prolonged flash, Ribrianne no-sold his attack and proceeded to not take damage from any of his attacks.Again, repelling light ki blasts aren't the best examples of scaling. And trading blows yes, but she didn't even knock him back where as Vegeta was clearly overpowering her in his base form. That kick didn't really seem to hurt Vegeta.
Stop just calling people underdogs, that’s literally your headcanon and nothing more. And your claims here are just blatantly wrong. First of all, Kunshi is already considered 3-A on this site. You haven’t provided any anti-feats for the group that fought Caulifla and Kale, your only response for Tupper was assuming Goku was holding back despite nothing implying that, and there is literally only one other Pride Trooper besides Jiren, Toppo, Dyspo and the ones I just mentioned. So like I said in my last reply, I would love to see what exactly makes you think all the Pride Troopers other than Jiren, Toppo and Dyspo are weak despite feats showing the contrary.Jiren, Toppo, and Dyspo are the only Pride Troopers shown as being exceedingly powerful; the rest of them are consistently knocked around and are consistently defeated by those otherwise considered Underdogs.
I agree with AKM.I was pinged so I'll say this. This topic has been debated several times. I have been part of this debate several times. And the last time when we settled on the ratings for these characters, I remember there were several staff members involved in that thread. We can all agree that DBS made it incredibly inconsistent and you can see it from both sides since there are arguments for both. I am not denying that. But it was decided that the current rating was the best all things considered. I am incredibly tired of this specific topic to go in-depth one more time. And I honestly think there should be a rule for this.
Ribrianne has many inconsistent 3-A feats, though.
I am neutral on Brianne and her team's tiering, for now.
This was brought up earlier in the thread, and in the last thread about these two, but what about making them ‘4-B, possibly 3-A?’18's case is iffy since it is without explanation on her power increase.
Yes like I said beforePeople have to give reason why
Also I dont See anyone disagree with 4-B
So my proposal is at least 4-B, Possibly 3-A , the intermediate solution even though its clearly straight up 3-A as shown in the heavy beam struggle
For Kahseral C-17 needs to activate his barrier to Tank his attack called "Justice Bomber" (Even though he called it a "stupid attack" Though it doesnt mean its strong or weak)Okay, so the only thing that really needs more discussion is 18, Ribrianne and the Pride Troopers (who, I would like to note, already have damaging base Caulifla and their clash with SSJ Caulifla and SSJ Kale as part of their justifications) being ‘At least 4-B, possibly 3-A.’
Yup but anyway all High 4-C's should be upgraded to 4-B firstEvery single one of the Pride Troopers have more 3-A stuff in their current justifications than High 4-C/4-B, but meh.
I don't think that's a valid way to scale. There are some of Goku's attacks that did less damage to the ring than Tien's tri-beam. It's not consistent. You can just say that he damaged the ring. How much depends on several factors like AoE, number of attacks, time being spent on attacking and general inconsistency.His Tri Beam damaged it more than Napapa could.
Still, high 4-C in base.to where he still got much stronger than he was before hand; and even before lifting it, he was thought of as being above Shin in base
That's not what he implied. He just said "hardest substance in the universe" or something like that.Also, Shin implied Katchin was 100% unbreakable, like even SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu weren't quite obliterating it iirc.