Goku Resistance, Gravity Manipulation

[Magicomethkuon]

Agree: 12 (11 users, 1 staff) @LuffyRuffy46307 , @TWILIGHT-OP , @Oliver_de_jesus , @DarkDragonMedeus (staff admin) , @Shiraito983 , @Excellence616 , @Dark_Soul20189 , @Spectra_Schiffer , @CryptonBestDbFan , @Killerdrone123 , @ProfectusInfinity , @Padaruyos
Disagree:
Neutral:

Discussing the feat, but hasn't cast a vote yet: 4 (2 users, 2 staff) @SeijiSetto (staff calc group) , @Rez , @BestMGQScalerEver , @GarrixianXD (Staff content moderator)

The pretty black hole didn't behave like one, but there may be something missing from this feat. Here Whis states that it's concentrated gravity at work, focused at a single point in space. This gravity was so heavy that it sunk in the ring layer by layer, and Instant Transmission couldn't release Goku from it either.

Goku says that it was a gravity worse than Bulma's machines. To overcome it, he stands up, transforms and fires a wave that overcomes the gravitational pull's influence and escapes to defeat the trio. Before, when Android 18 had tried the same, her ki was absorbed. With this, I think that Goku's DBS Anime, Universe Survival Key should have resistance to Gravity Manipulation. Either in base or in SSB, added with this feat.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Sounds good to me

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Makes sense. Agree too

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

This look good

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It may not function like a real black hole, but it should still be solid gravity manipulation; especially if characters who were adapted to 1000 G's a while back feel some weight. So I agree with gravity resistance.

 

[Shiraito983]

agree with this

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Looks simple enough, I agree. But what i am unsure if it should be for base or SSB, I'm leaning more towards SSB, but both are alright for me.

 

[Rez]

Why would this be a resistance and not just another feat albeit a better feat for Goku's gravity adaptation?

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

looks good

 

[SeijiSetto]

not sure if this counts as a resistance more than it is him just getting stronger? iunno.

to quote the gravity manip page:

Please note that surviving or moving in increased gravity will not grant resistance to gravity manipulation, unless there is extra context demonstrating that it is not just a Lifting Strength feat.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Why would this be a resistance and not just another feat albeit a better feat for Goku's gravity adaptation?

The gravity still was also deflecting and absorbing ki blasts, as shown with Android 18. Though, further elaboration below.

not sure if this counts as a resistance more than it is him just getting stronger? iunno.

to quote the gravity manip page:

There was the moving, the energy wave resisting the gravitational pull and not being absorbed (there is a point in time where it begins to bend and twist but resists, regains shape and continues, on its path). The way that IT couldn't work in that field either is a display that the gravity field shouldn't be breached. Considering the mechanics of IT and that the ki blast not only continued but also dug a hole through the field to escape, it appears safe to index it as resistance to the effects of gravity.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Looks simple enough, I agree. But what i am unsure if it should be for base or SSB, I'm leaning more towards SSB, but both are alright for me.

It's fine for me if the judgment is that this is SSB exclusive, since he evidently transformed before performing most of the feat.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

This is a lifting strength feat (class G) that would scale to blue Goku that I already have a CRT for that never got any traction.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

This is a lifting strength feat (class G) that would scale to blue Goku that I already have a CRT for that never got any traction.

I thought it was unquantifiable so this is actually good news if it passes, for your first half. Don't think that it should invalidate the resistance as well though, because of the ki blast managing to resist the pulling effects when previously ki blasts or even IT couldn't escape it. IT in particular isn't something that works via physical movement or strength but the field negated it anyways. Seems reasonable to me to give him resistance.

 

[CryptonBestDbFan]

Agree

 

[Killerdrone123]

I agree

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I obviously agree.

 

[Padaruyos]

I think this seems fine.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

That's a lot of agreements, thanks everyone. Will wait some more since it's Dragon Ball, and Lephyr once told me that popular works may need multiple staff looks even for small additions.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

That's a lot of agreements, thanks everyone. Will wait some more since it's Dragon Ball, and Lephyr once told me that popular works may need multiple staff looks even for small additions.

Yes, you need 3 staff votes. And calculus or yellow limbs don't count.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Yes, you need 3 staff votes. And calculus or yellow limbs don't count.

Yeppers. The reason I count everyone who votes is because I appreciate the opinions regardless of the vote's accepted impact in the thread's results.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Somewhat looks like lifting strength to me... not sure about this.

Yes, you need 3 staff votes. And calculus or yellow limbs don't count.

No. This is a minor CRT, only 2 are required.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Somewhat looks like lifting strength to me... not sure about this.

No. This is a minor CRT, only 2 are required.

If it had been Goku tensing up then getting up but nothing else, I'd think the same. But there were things happening in the scene that I believe differentiate this from a simple lifting strength feat.

The gravity still was also deflecting and absorbing ki blasts, as shown with Android 18. Though, further elaboration below.

There was the moving, the energy wave resisting the gravitational pull and not being absorbed (there is a point in time where it begins to bend and twist but resists, regains shape and continues, on its path). The way that IT couldn't work in that field either is a display that the gravity field shouldn't be breached. Considering the mechanics of IT and that the ki blast not only continued but also dug a hole through the field to escape, it appears safe to index it as resistance to the effects of gravity.

Goku didn't just breach the Black Hole, his own energy resisted the gravitational absorption and bending effects as well. Despite IT being a technique that allows for warping outside the usual physical transportation, gravity still kept him stuck. Judging with occam's razor it appears that he resisted those effects, otherwise it feels strange that both he would stand up and the wave would straighten itself back again despite already startng to be bent towards a direction or another multiple times. To then escape a place that movement beyond standard physical ways couldn't.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Somewhat looks like lifting strength to me... not sure about this.

No. This is a minor CRT, only 2 are required.

Do you mind tagging other team members to weigh in on this?

 

[Jaakor48]

Looks simple enough, I agree. But what i am unsure if it should be for base or SSB, I'm leaning more towards SSB, but both are alright for me.

Goku stood up in base tho, before transforming and blasting through, he should get it in base as well, and higher in SSB, imo

 

[AwkguyDB]

Should be in Base

 

[ProudLearner]

bump

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I think this needs to end '-'

 

[Ednaxel2]

I'm not sure since this is using a dub statement, is it the same for sub?

 

[Magicomethkuon]

I'm not sure since this is using a dub statement, is it the same for sub?

Pretty much. I'd have posted the sub but the only video that I found of it had an inflammatory title towards DC and an offensive word. Hands tied.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

I agree

 

[Spinoirr]

Should Android 17 and 18 also have this as they were in there too and didn't die or get crushed

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Should Android 17 and 18 also have this as they were in there too and didn't die or get crushed

Personally speaking I was only arguing for Goku but I wouldn't be against 17 and 18 if people feel like they also should have it
But if it does happen, theirs should be lesser. Goku was the only one who overcame the full brunt of the effects

 

[Ednaxel2]

Wouldn't this dismiss his Class T feat?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

It really shouldn't be gravity manip resistance. It aligns more with lifting strength and not resistance.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

It really shouldn't be gravity manip resistance. It aligns more with lifting strength and not resistance.

I already explained my reasons to believe why a degree of Gravity Manipulation resistance is at play here and why it seems more believable than just lifting strength on its own. The rest, you guys can judge. It could be either or both.

Though, bear in mind that there's still no apparent reason or explanation why IT would have been negated based only on lifting strength when it isn't something that works via physical movement or strength. The work shows very clearly that Goku tries and the effect of it visually triggers but the field doesn't let him leave it. There's also the initial bending and pulling of the kamehameha wave like it did with the other ki blasts before the energy was made to get back into trajectory and pushed to destroy the pretty black hole.

Both of these look like clear representations of resisting an effect that lifting strength alone wouldn't account for.

 

[Jaakor48]

Wouldn't this dismiss his Class T feat?

I believe this was calced via the force of compression on kachi katchin by the black heart which Goku was subjected to, not the gravity acting on Goku so it's fine

 

[Flashlight237]

I mean if Vegeta can handle being warped to a planet with 10x gravity (at least in the anime) and Goku worked up the strength to survive 100x gravity, then I'm pretty sure Goku having a resistance to Gravity Manipulation is a no-brainer, even with the OP's example. This keeping in mind that gravity is a force treated as an obstacle the characters must overcome regardless of their innate strength.

 

[CloverDragon03]

not sure if this counts as a resistance more than it is him just getting stronger? iunno.

to quote the gravity manip page:

Well I think the specific thing is the fact that despite Android 18's ki blast getting sucked up by it, Super Saiyan Blue Goku's Kamehameha didn't suffer this problem at all and escaped the Pretty Black Hole