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Caulifa pretty much stomped Napapa from what I recall.
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In case it's needed, a recap of all the good 3-A feats:
- Android 18 tanked the Double Pride Spin, a combo between Tupper and Zoire, which previously blew away Goku's energy blasts.
- 18 injured Tupper, despite his rocky exterior, who managed to restrain Goku for a moderate period of time.
- 18 should also scale to ¼ of the United Justice Stream that overpowered SSJ Caulifla and SSJ Full Power Kale, minimum, via scaling to Zoire.
- Super Ribrianne forces Goku into Super Saiyan Blue, previously pushing him against a wall in their base forms.
- Ribrianne should scale to Zirloin (who utilized the same transformation and power as her), Rabanra, and Zarbuto, who managed to keep up with Post-2nd UI -Sign- Goku, Android 17, and Android 18 while holding back.
- Ribrianne, despite being low on power, clashed with mid-tournament Vegeta and forced him to exert effort and even when he did, she still tanked his attacks.
- At the beginning of the tournament, Ribrianne kept up with SSJ Vegeta, with Vegeta complimenting her strength.
- Ribrianne exchanged blows with Android 17 at the beginning of the tournament and broke through his Barrier with ease.
You can’t just declare they’re underdogs for no reason whatsoever. That’d be headcanon. And saying Goku was screwing around is also pretty inaccurate considering that he was visibly struggling while Tupper was holding him, and the fact that 18 told him to be careful doesn’t scream that Goku could’ve broken free at any moment.Tupper and Zoire are both underdogs, and Goku was literally just d*cking around like he always does around fodder underdogs in the tournament.
This is just straight up untrue. The Pride Troopers’ beams clash with SSJ Caulifla and SSJ Kale’s at 1:51 and they remain in a beam struggle until 2:02, where the Pride Troopers overpower them, and continue to do so until 2:34, where Caulifla and Kale have to go SSJ2 and LSSJ, respectively, to overpower the Pride Troopers. I have no idea how you got Caulifla and Kale stomping them from that, nor do I have any idea where you got the idea of Caulifla and Kale not going all-out there.Not really sure why's scale, it's literally a repeat of Goku and Vegeta stomping the Universe 9 trio. It just didn't look like they were going all out.
Literally where did he blitz her in base? Also speed =/= AP, so that’s not a proper counter regardless.Goku was blitzing him in base form, and once he did go SSB, he literally just B slaps her. Looks more like another Goku Vs Krillin.
This is patently untrue. Ribrianne’s attack clashed with Vegeta’s for a pretty significant amount of time before being overpowered and she no-sold his attack when it did overpower her. Rozie was also able to knock Vegeta back with a kick. Also, Vegeta never once stated that they were too pathetic for his full power. That statement literally never happens.Vegeta was stomping her in base form and even in the end considered them too pathetic to even use his full power.
no goku absorb it in base and can use ssg whenever and when Shenron told the myth about the super sayian god it said there power had it limited time and that there were destroying those who oppose them until he lost the power and he didn't absorb it this show goku and vegeta are unique as there able to absorb god power in there base and activate god ki wheneverI say that I agree on Matt here, I always thought that but I was afraid of saying it in public :v. I think that writers and others just decided to ignore the god being absorbed in base and use ssj forms as they have always been for the sake of the plot and everything.
I also think that it is much more likely and consistent, than thinking that everyone became universe level from a day to another, including people like Cabba who didn't even know what ssj was. In the same way is weird how Goku can still become god, like stacking the same power up again.
I don't even care what the end of the debate will be and I won't push further this idea whatsoever, I just wanted to finally say it without looking like the one single weirdo.
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Nope its just show they are 3-AThis just shows that Base and Super Saiyan forms being 3-A anymore is unlikely. The absorption thing was clearly retconned.
He never absorbed it in base even in the Battle of Gods arc.no goku absorb it in base and can use ssg whenever and when Shenron told the myth about the super sayian god it said there power had it limited time and that there were destroying those who oppose them until he lost the power and he didn't absorb it this show goku and vegeta are unique as there able to absorb god power in there base and activate god ki whenever
But you called it an absorption yourself...?This just shows that Base and Super Saiyan forms being 3-A anymore is unlikely. The absorption thing was clearly retconned.
They didn't just yell. Kale transformed into a Legendary Super Saiyan and even then, the United Justice Stream was able to hold it off for a bit. It wasn't until Caulifla transformed into a Super Saiyan 2 that the Pride Troopers were overpowered.once they yelled, their beams swiftly overpowered the Pride Troopers and blew them all away.
He used his Ki against Zoire, so... and how exactly is he supposed to use ki when he’s, y’know, being restrained? No, he only started laughing after 18 freed him, and it was a nervous laugh, not a “oh I’ve been messing around this whole time” laugh. He was visibly straining while Tupper was on him. Just saying “this character is an underdog” means nothing on its own, actually explain why this is this case instead of just slapping a label on them without evidence. Otherwise, it’s little more than headcanon.But Goku wasn't even using his Ki against Tupper, and he was smiling and laughing as if he was literally just messing around. They were stomped by 18 who is in turn considered an underdog compared to 17 and the like. The U6 Saiyans didn't even appear to be going all out during the beam struggle, and once they yelled, their beams swiftly overpowered the Pride Troopers and blew them all away.
That doesn’t mean you can use speed to say someone doesn’t scale in AP, that’s frankly nonsensical. Vegeta was not casual, that is blantantly untrue. And you overlooked the fact that as he ran off, he said “Where did they go,” clearly implying that he was searching for them. So no, it doesn’t mean he thought they were worthless, that would be headcanon.Actually, in Dragon Ball, speed does effect AP in general cases. Still, Vegeta was shown significantly swifter than Ribrianne even in base and knocked her around casually. Also, he said "They ran off" and turned the other cheek. That's a pretty common, "They're not worth it" gesture.
No he's not in the context of BoG Goku absorbed a portion of the God Ki into his Super Saiyan form but he still had to go Super Saiyan God to go all out.Sigh, both sides are saying things arbitrary. First of all, base Goku is clearly Universal. I don't need to constantly repeat the BoG lore over and over again, and he only got much stronger. Goku was fighting better in base form than he was previously in SSG form, then fought even better when he transformed again. Then there are multiple instances of base Goku surpassing SSB Vegeta and then Vegeta temporarily surpasses Goku after his next zenka and so on.
wrong goku absorb all of it he stated himself I don't feel different at all meaning he didn't get weaker but stronger, this when he was in ssj then later on base goku destroy sphere of destruction meaning base goku must of absorb ssg to even pull that of because as we see goku before getting god power couldn't even hit beerus or survive 3 attacks also goku still 3A in baseNo he's not in the context of BoG Goku absorbed a portion of the God Ki into his Super Saiyan form but he still had to go Super Saiyan God to go all out.
He wasn’t going all out, based on... what?He used light ki blasts against Zoirey, but he wasn't going all out.
Please explain why Goku would just let himself be restrained and being dug into the ground if he can just casually throw Tupper off. Because the scene definitely did not imply that Goku could get free at any moment.And Tupper jumped on him while he was distracted, and he looked as if he wasn't even trying to overthrow him. Also, him grunting and all that isn't a sign for Goku to appear struggling.
”when he clearly isn’t” Says who? It really just seems like a baseless assumption that Goku isn’t trying whatsoever, which is not supported by the scene.Quoting what Dark649 said a long time ago, "SSB Goku is like so skilled with Ki Control, he can trade blows with a 10-C and make himself look like he's going all out." That's a super stretchy claim, but he's right Goku is good at making himself look like he's going all out when he clearly isn't.
No, he literally wasn’t. Ribrianne no-sold one of his blasts, clashed with him, and if you want to bring up speed even though it’s irrelevant, she could dodge several of his ki blasts. And Rozie knocked him back with a kick.But Vegeta was still pummeling her and clearly blitzing her in base.
Literally which Pride Troopers? Because apart from ones that were fighting Caulifla and Kale, the three we already have at 3-A, and Jiren, there is a grand total of TWO other Pride Troopers, one of which is Tupper. So I’d love to know what these other portrayals are when there’s only two more Pride Troopers, and I’d love to know why that somehow overrides what four of them did.Yeah, it actually does look like they were charging hard at the last period. The U6 Saiyans, but it's still contradictory to other portrayals of various other Pride Troopers.