Legend of Zelda General Discussion Thread

[Dust_Collector]

Even if it was still a thing (Didn't even know we had it at any point lol), we wouldn't have anything reassembling it for Link anyway unless you really wanted to stretch it and say him moving fine in the time frozen Hyrule counted for it. Although you'd also have to ignore the headache that is the King of Red Lions having speed on that level despite needing to spend finite time moving across the great sea since he's also fine within it, and Zelda, really besides Ganon's army anyone else who seems to waltz in just doesn't seem affected by time being frozen down there.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Even if it was still a thing (Didn't even know we had it at any point lol), we wouldn't have anything reassembling it for Link anyway unless you really wanted to stretch it and say him moving fine in the time frozen Hyrule counted for it. Although you'd also have to ignore the headache that is the King of Red Lions having speed on that level despite needing to spend finite time moving across the great sea since he's also fine within it, and Zelda, really besides Ganon's army anyone else who seems to waltz in just doesn't seem affected by time being frozen down there.

We had "Irrelevant" speed at one point IIRC

 

[Tyloxtus]

Magda not attacking Link in Tears of the Kingdom was my personal 7/11; 9-B | 5-A Magda would actually go crazy

 

[CrackerVolley]

Eh, she should already have Low 7-B due to being Flowerblight.

In other news, should I place the Purah Pad's radar under Extrasensory Perception or Clairvoyance. I'm leaning towards that latter since that's what I kinda associate dowsing with.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Is dowsing IRL even either of those?

 

[Dust_Collector]

In other news, should I place the Purah Pad's radar under Extrasensory Perception or Clairvoyance. I'm leaning towards that latter since that's what I kinda associate dowsing with.

Probs extrasensory perception imo. Clairvoyance is mostly being able to see things without being physically present or seeing stuff that is / will / has happened in your dreams. Purah Pad's rader being able to sense things seems closer to extrasensory perception.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Last call before I upload, anything else I should add to this profile?

 

[Chariot190]

Before ANYTHING else is done, bold the abilities in the ability section.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Why?

 

[Chariot190]

Why?

So it's less difficult to read. Some people have trouble reading or picking out words as it's blue text on blue background., especially all bunched together like that in one long paragraph and string of text. By bolding the actual abilities in the ability section, it helps some people pick out where the actual abilities start or are listed and differentiate them among the text of justifcations and what not.

 

[Tyloxtus]

I'd think blue words among black words would be enough.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Bolded abilities generally make things clearer yeah. It's not a requirement, but more profiles have started to do that kinda thing.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah most people are bolding abilities now because it's easier to read, using Odin's profile as an example imagine reading his P&A section if his abilities weren't bolded. Wouldn't be the hardest thing in the world but it'd be nowhere near as accessible to read and look over as it is with the abilities being bolded.

 

[Chariot190]

Spoiler: wall

I'd think blue words among black words would be enough.

Idk, if you can, you should, no reason not to, we've had whole threads on this, it's why people are allowed to bullet point that section as well as an alternative method. Some people have trouble, whether it be just annoying, actual issues like dyslexia, and so on. We should make an effort to make it less difficult wherever possible.

Also, it isn't going to JUST be that, you're in need of some scans.

Superhuman Physical Characteristics

K.

Mastery in almost every weapon such as short swords, longswords, flails, and spears),

Just make it "Weapon Mastery", and then list what types. Saying "almost every weapon" is a bit of an exaggeration, given Link doesn't even cover 1% of all weapons or even weapon types.

Something like
'Weapon Mastery (Proficient/skilled with numerous weapon types such as swords, flails, spears, and more)."

Immortality (Type 4, as long as the Fates aren't done with him, Link will continuously resurrect),

Bold the "Type 4", also while iirc that IS legit, that scan alone isn't good enough evidence, his actually reviving is kind of an important thing to show.
Also might be Type 8 too if it's dependent on the fates.

Acrobatics via Rito’s Feather

A gif or clip would be nice but ok, like "Acrobatics via Rito’s Feather (Shown here)".

Self-Sustenance (Type 3) via the Snorkel

Uh, why? No scan, no showing what it even does, and I think you meant Type 1 not 3?
But it'd actually be this

Non-Standard Breathing

Non-Standard Breathing is the ability to breathe in environments that baseline human beings would find hazardous to breathe in. This may be accomplished through the usage of gills or other physiological traits, equipment, creating air pockets, or otherwise finding methods to breathe in hazardous...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Type 3

Attack Reflection via Mirror Shield

This aight but a clip again.

Statistics Amplification via Scroll of Enchant Weapon, Scroll of Enchant Armor, Boots of Power, the Greaves, and War Drums,

Just make an imgur album and shove examples in there.

Fire Manipulation via torches, Fire Arrows and Fire Rod,

I mean this is straightforward, but for the rod and arrows, showing them in action would be optimal.

Ice Manipulation via Ice Arrows, Ice Rod, and Scroll of Freezing,

As above.

Electricity Manipulation via Electric Arrows and Scroll of Electricity,

As above.

Poison Manipulation (via Poison Arrows and Impa’s Naginata, can imbue his weapons with the ability to inflict poison damage),

As above, doubly so because how deadly and fast-acting the poison is should be shown.

Though clips of the elemental stuff and showing could instead be moved down to the weapons and technique section, probably be optimal tbh.

Status Effect Inducement (Can stun opponents with the Magic Boomerang),

Very good, short and concise explanation, link a clip tho.

Invisibility via Magic Cape

Self-evident, but still, scan, probably in the technique section. Intangibility as well.

Self-Healing via Potions and Impa's Naginata,

Scans, notably for the second one, show it in action and write a small explanation.
Like
"Impa's Naginata (Heals 1/2 Hearts for every 5 enemies slain)" or something.

Creation and Life Manipulation (The Scroll of Need can create the thing the user needs most at the time, including living beings like fairies to restore his health),

Does it say create? If so link a scan of that to the "create the thing" text.

Air Manipulation via Deku Leaf,

I mean I know why, but that isn't self-evident, scan.

Mind Manipulation via Scroll of Confusion,

this DEFINITELY needs a scan, mind manipulation is a very nuanced ability, how and why matters.
Given he description just say (Confuses enemies, inversing their movement).

Teleportation (to Sheikah Stones),

"Teleportation with Lute (Can warp to activated Sheikah Stones)", or whatever, showing how he does so is important. Especially if he needs to play a song, that's a detriment which should be conveyed.

can instantly wake a person from Sleep Manipulation via the Hibiscus Potion,

Aight but scan still.

Resistance to Air Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, and Magic via the Tower Shield onwards and via Caladbolg,

Why? To what degree? Ya gotta show it bro...

Immune to Heat and Magma Manipulation via the Goron Amulet,

Change to resistance, we don't do "immune to" anymore unless it's like a robot lacking a soul, this would imply Link could shrug off 1,000,000,000,000c+ heat or any other dumb as shit value, also scan.

Likely Immune to Sleep Manipulation via the Hibiscus Potion,

Not immunity, just res. But if what the description for this item below says is true, it wouldn't need a likely, it'd be flatout.

Immune to Poison Manipulation via Hero's Medallion,

No. Resistance, also explain and show why.

his best weapons are Immune to Power Modification (Link's best weapons cannot be infused with new powers or have the powers they have changed)

Explanation is good, just need a scan, also again would be resistance, not immunity.

At least Small Building Level (Most of his weapons are physically stronger than Cadence's shovel, which can oneshot mimics copying giant cubes of gold brick in her previous game,

Is the previous game actually canon? If so that's fine, but you need to add a source for why it's more powerful too.

You actually DO need a calc for anything above 9-B tho. At least from what I've been told by the likes of KLOL.

The gold block feat I'm unsure if it's 9-A tho, Gold is a very soft metal and it takes like 3 hits to break it, it might just be 9-B.

and the Ice Rod, which can freeze the opponent in a block of ice bigger than Link which should be superior to freezing them solid.

Do Link's weapons scale to his elemental shit? The AP would be fine for hat at least, but Link isn't frozen solid there, only encased in ice, which is lower. If he can actually freeze enemies solid tho, show that instead and it should be fine.

Can physically break Taluses apart even with his weakest swords who are rock monsters of this size,

Good feat, might actually be 9-A if he does it in like two swings so that's good.

killed Ganon alongside Zelda and Cadence, who beat down Octavo offscreen, who himself is superior to all of the Four Champions, all of which are at this size),

No scans.

far higher via the Kokiri Sword,

Why?

higher via Scroll of Enchant Weapon, Boots of Power, Glass Slippers, and War Drum,

Why? Ya gotta explain to what degree it gets amped so we know.

Building level Environmental Damage via Scroll of Freezing (Freezes the entire screen full of enemies that Link is in, regardless of amount)

Inversely, that is probably way above 8-C. Remove the "regardless of amount", just say he can freeze a room full of enemies and link the calc.

Speed: Subsonic (Can casually fight enemies at the speed of, and easily react to, spears thrown by Moblins, which should be traveling at least 90 MPH), far higher movement speed via the Pegasus Anklet and the Boots of Speed

Show it, it'd probably need a calc.

Lifting Strength: Class 1 (Can push stone blocks as big as himself either physically or with Spin Attack/Shadow Spin Attack), higher via Power Glove

Show it, would probably need a calc too, might end up higher even given rock heavy as ****. A perfect Link sized cube of stone would be more like Class 10.

Durability: At least Small Building Level (Can withstand being frozen solid in a block of ice multiple times in a fight, which would require energy of this level;

Unless we have a UES, that would just be good cold resistance. In which case add that to his res'. Also, even then that only works if he's frozen SOLID, just freezing the air around Link and encasing him would be less.

can easily shrug off his own bombs which can blast massive holes in extremely thick ice or stone walls,

This one is straightforward tho, show it tho.

can easily tank being crushed by Bass Guitarmos Knight,

Calc.

can easily tank Hinox explosions, can take hits from Ganon who killed Octavo offscreen, and even a Ganon that had fused with the Skull Mask), higher via Scroll of Enchant Armor, the Greaves, and the Ring of Protection, far higher via Mirror Shield, Health Potions make him difficult to kill
Stamina: Like all Links, can easily keep fighting numerous opponents while heavily injured and nearly dead.

Probably remove the mention of all Links, otherwise that's fine.
Probably Peak Human.

Can use powerful magical artifacts that run on the user’s stamina multiple times during a battle with no signs of strain.

Show but yeah cool.

Ironically, fighting actually heals his stamina.

Definitely need to show this, this is also an ability.

Can fully heal his stamina with Stamina Potions or a Golden Fish.

Ig that's worth a mention here even if that isn't actually his stamina.

Range: Extended Melee Range via weaponry,

Fine.

many yards via Hookshot/Longshot, Bow and Arrows, and Scrolls

Show, also we don't have that rating, you probably want "Tens of Meters" or something.

Also you have to bold ranges now iirc.

Fragarach - A legendary weapon that is said to be so sharp it's unstoppable, cutting through anything standing before it. In battle it is unopposed, being able to cut through any shield held against it, and any person within the wielder's swing along with it. Fragarach is so thorough that even in a single stroke, it also slices through items that guarantee an opponent against being one-shot (i.e. Skull Masked opponents), hits weak points of Invulnerable opponents by cleaving through their body to meet their weak point on the other side, and even prevents enemies that split into smaller enemies upon death from doing so because it kills them too in the same swing.

Mf that's DEFINITELY dura neg if we're taking that literally, so add that.

Caladbolg - A legendary weapon that is fabled to be the finest long sword of an ancient realm. It is so heavy that a Spin Attack cannot be used with it, but because of this even the slightest bump with the sword is fatal to most enemies. When it is held out, the wielder is immune to being moved by most sources.

Scans.

Kokiri Sword - Link's parallel to the Royal Rapier, it is an ultimate weapon made with the express purpose of allowing Link to destroy anything in his path. Vastly stronger than any other weapon in the game, almost everything it touches will be killed in a single hit short of the most powerful enemies.

Scans.

Impa’s Naginata - A versatile weapon that strikes fear into the hearts of many dark creatures throughout Hyrule. Not only does it poison any enemy struck, it also heals half a heart from the user for every 5 enemies killed by the weapon.

Scans. Also in the above ability section, make a concise yet short explanation to add.

Tower Shield: A much bigger shield, the Tower Shield is much more durable than the Small Shield thus can block much stronger attacks, and can also ignore Air Manipulation while it's being held up.

Scans. Also feels like that might just be due to it being heavy so it's hard to blow away? If they say otherwise than it's fine.

Mirror Shield: Even more durable than the Tower Shield and completely reflective, it is the ultimate shield. It can block any attack no matter how strong,

Reword that in wiki context, saying "no matter how strong" is a NLF, instead say "nearly/almost any attack", or just add a line like "i can block any attack n matter how strng within the game", or something, idk.

reflect any energy or magic attacks, and like its predecessor can block any type of air or sound.

Yeah but scan.

Bombs: Cartoonish bombs that Link can Link can place, kick, or throw at the opponent.

Gif would be nice.

Bombchus: Mouselike bombs that travel in a straight line until it hits something and explodes.

Gif would be nice.

Great Bow: A traditional recurve bow, except its arrows are guaranteed to pierce straight through every single opponent's body until it hits an object.

DEFINITELY need a scan or statement.

Its arrows can be imbued with fire, lightning, ice, or poison effects at the cost of stamina.

Hol up, is stamina just magic/mana?

Great Boomerang: Damages and stuns enemies. Will always find its way back to Link no matter what.

Unless it gets BFR'd to an alternate reality. Reword this a bit, like "Will always attempt to return to Link after being thrown" or something.
Scan too.

Fire Rod: Launches a ball of fire at the opponent, damaging them and lighting them on fire if it connects.

Gif.

Ice Rod: Launches a ball of ice at the opponent, damaging them and freezing them in a block of ice if it connects.

Gif.

Longshot: A sharp hook mechanism on a chain that stuns any enemy it hits, pulls any item toward Link, or pulls Link toward any viable surface.

Remove "any enemy", just say enemies.
Also gif.

Pegasus Anklet: A diamond-encrusted anklet that allows the user to charge up before releasing to leap forward at great speed.

Gif or whatever.

Rito Feather: Allows the user to jump high enough into the air that they avoid enemy attacks.

Gif.

Deku Leaf: Launches a gust of wind that knocks back any enemy or object in its path.

Gif.

War Drum: The user may stand still for one second, before attacking with a powered up hit in the following second.

To what degree? Also gif.

Cane of Somaria: Magically creates a block in front of the user.

Gif.

Lute: By playing it, the user may teleport to any activated Sheikah Stone or outside any dungeon.

Gif.

Power Glove: Allows the wearer to pick up most heavy objects.

Idk if i'd word it as "most heavy", just say "Allows the wearer to lift heavy objects they otherwise can't such as [thing]".

Tingle's Dowser: Helps the user navigate the Lost Woods or find treasure.

Scan. Would also probably be ESP or clairvoyance just like te Purah Pad.

Potions: The Health Potion completely heals Link, and the Stamina Potion completely refills his Stamina meter. The Health Potion will work automatically if Link dies, healing him regardless.

Good but show scans, especially the latter, that could qualify as limied resurrection even.

Magic Cape: Turns the wearer invisible and intangible.

If it's intangible then obviously add Intangibiliy to the abilities with it, also scans, gif, whatever.

Megaton Hammer: A giant magic hammer that smashes anything the user wants.

NLF wording, reword it a bit, also gif.

Scroll of Enchant Weapon: A scroll that, when used, makes Link slightly stronger for a long period of time.

Scan.

Scroll of Enchant Armor: A scroll that, when used, makes Link slightly more durable for a long period of time.

Scan.

Scroll of Electricity: A scroll that, when used, makes Link generate electricity with his attacks, spreading damage to other enemies when he hits one.

Scan, also that's kinda cool.

Scroll of Confusion: A scroll that, when used, makes all opponents Confused, inverting their movements.

Def need scan, add a quick explanaton of this in ability.

Scroll of Freezing: A scroll that, when used, freezes all opponents in a block of ice, regardless of number.

Even ten morbillion? You'd need to find out the maximum range on this, and the maximum limit. If you go route one 1, just say "within this [range]", if you go route 2 say "at least [number]", preferably both.

Scroll of Need: A scroll that, when used, gives Link exactly what he needs in that scenario, be it equipment, money, even Fairies to refill his Hearts.

A lil NLF but eh, scans at least.

Zora's Flipper: Allows the user to perfectly swim in deep water.

Scan.

Snorkel: Allows the user to breathe underwater.

Ok yeah so NOT Type 3 but Type 1, just show a scan and change that and it'd be fine.

Goron Locket: Makes the wearer immune to lava or any heat source.

No. "Makes the wearer unhindered by high heat such as lava or [idk other thing]", this is an EXPLICIT NLF.

Hibiscus Potion: If someone is asleep, even permanently, this can wake them up. it also seems to make the user immune to induced sleep, as Octavo could not put Link to sleep a second time once he had it.

Scans, especially for second. And if true, yeah Link would just flatout res sleep manip,

Hero's Medallion: A medal that marks someone as the champion of the Gerudo Arena, and makes them immune to poison.

Not immune, and also scan, otherwise fine.
ALSO, shove all this shit into his Notable Attack & Technique section instead, under a "Weapons & Items" tabber.
And, in his standard equipment, just list his critical base shit and then "all his weapons and items" or some shit. For his breakable shit, add a line saying they're breakable, and then in Optional Equipment say "All his breakable shit or whatever".
Alternatively tab his key and perm equipment from his temp shit, either way works.

Intelligence: Genius; Link is an absolute master of fighting, capable of fighting near flawlessly with any type of weapon other than rapiers and shovels against virtually any opponent.

Idk if I'd call that Genius, especially given he ISN'T perfect with everything, mostly just swords, spears, etc. Also bold the rating.

Fought through dozens of waves of monsters in the Gerudo Arena.

How though? Stat stomp, skill, etc? How skilled were these in turn? Stomping a bunch of stupid mobs ain't a good skill feat, but even just fighting one or two ultra skilled dudes could be genius, we need context here.

Solved the Temple of Brainstorms, which Synthrova predicted he had a 0.002842% chance of being able to do, even if the temple was the size of Hyrule (Puzzle Mode).

How did he solve it? Was it luck? Tbh the fact it was predicted so low comes off more as him sheer forcing it or he isn't actually that smart normally, we need more context.

You have a good foundation, but you're in need of actual scans and calcs.

 

[Tyloxtus]

God dammit this profile is gonna be in development hell forever.

Not everything in the multiverse needs a scan or a tabber. Nobody wants to watch 500 gifs of something that was obvious to anyone who saw it described.

Also 2 of those hits were the gold brick wall hitting the player and not vice versa.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Not everything in the multiverse needs a scan or a tabber. Nobody wants to watch 500 gifs of something that was obvious to anyone who saw it described.

Yeah nobody wants to see hundreds of gifs but they would however like proof that what's being described is actually happening. I personally don't doubt most the stuff in the profile is legit, but if someone sees the profile and see stuff like his best weapons being immune to power modification with nothing backing it up then they are gonna be asking questions about it's legitimacy.

 

[Chariot190]

Not everything in the multiverse needs a scan or a tabber.

Well I mean it'd actually be less complicated, instead of writing a line for every weapon or item going "hey this breaks", you can just shove breakable shit in one tab, and the rest in another. This cuts down the word count, makes it clear what breaks so dudes don't have to ask or wonder "well what EXACTLY breaks". or loopholes going "well the profile said swords break, and that's a sword, so it must break, don't like it then make a crt lol". There's other ways to go about this and other things as well, this is just one idea. You could make use of collapsables as well for example.

Nobody wants to watch 500 gifs of something that was obvious to anyone who saw it described.

Who said that? Add gifs for the shit that needs it. A lot of the items here have secondary effects or utility, and so on, stuff like that probably should have gifs.


As for scans, yeah no, you actually DO need to add scans for 90% of that, that is simply how this wiki works, your word isn't good enough, you can't just go "oh uh this spear can poison anything and also life steal" and NOT ******* show that off, you can't say "oh link has mind manip and confuses enemies" and NOT show that off, you cant say "oh this item makes ANYTHING link needs", and not show that off, and so on, and then some items like flame or ice manip just kinda need showings so people can get an idea to know how good it is, like a dingy ass torch and Karna from fate or Sephiroth from FF7 can all light shit on fire, but just saying they can do that doesn't actually convey to what extent, it's this type of lacking that results in people mid match asking a bunch of questions or just not knowng how good some shit is, leading to emergency CRT just to add a line of text elaborating.

Like yeah no shit, you don't really need to add scans for a basic sword or flail or whatever, but the moment hax, resistances, or abiities get brought in? You kind of must as per wiki standards.

Also 2 of those hits were the gold brick wall hitting the player and not vice versa.

Idk man, need more evidence at least, like Im not saying youre wrong but that clip is kind of hard to tell, but link me an example and give me the character's height and I can calc this for you quickly.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Alright, I’m not doing the profile then.

 

[Dalesean027]

Alright, I’m not doing the profile then.

Bro just do the work you asked for opinions no need to be lazy and give up just because its more work.


This is an indexing wiki first and foremost, if you don't care to index properly then this ain't the site for you

 

[Tyloxtus]

It’d be easier just to post the profile to a different debating wiki.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Me when I need to backup the stuff on my profiles with proof

 

[Dalesean027]

It’d be easier just to post the profile to a different debating wiki.

Sure cause they're standards and quality aren't as good as ours, I can't believe you're legit complainin to non aggressive constructive criticism when you asked for it on an indexing wiki that is just asking you to index accurately


Like this isn't a "debate wiki" first its an indexing one first so you're already in the wrong mindset even being here

 

[Dust_Collector]

Not even sure why getting scans is such a big deal, they're the biggest thing people use in this god forsaken hobby when debating these characters.

 

[Emerald]

Me when I need to backup the stuff on my profiles with proof

Me when I can't say Korok #18391 has Transduality, Type 5 Acasuality, Plot level EE and Beyond Dimensional Existence without a source:

 

[Dalesean027]

Tylo literally like Chariot even offered to do the calcs for you, you just add the necessary scans to the profile and do what other little stuff you need to do.


You can't be this upset about indexing properly

 

[Tyloxtus]

I am working on over a dozen profiles and a verse-specific ability. Just in my Sandboxes. The profile of a Link from a game nobody played is not worth all of the pain of finding and creating hundreds of scans that prove things like the Fire Rod shoots fire.

 

[Emerald]

So why even make it bruh

 

[Tyloxtus]

…Because it’s one of the dozen.

 

[Chariot190]

It’d be easier just to post the profile to a different debating wiki.

Bro they aren't gonna want the profile either if you don't actually cite shit or have any actual calcs, just link scans, hell I even offered to do some of the calcs for you

There isn't any rush. nobody is saying doing it right now, take your time, add sources, flesh it out, etc, you have a good basis to work on, just complete it.

 

[Tyloxtus]

UUUUGGGGHHHH.

I don’t want to but I know I’m gonna because that’s the kind of person I am. The thanks I get for being a profile maker is to make more profiles.

 

[Blunt_Claw]

The thanks I get for being a profile maker is to make more profiles.

What the duck are you talking about?

 

[Tyloxtus]

Yeah I dunno

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

What Legend of Zelda does to a Mf

 

[Emerald]

What Legend of Zelda does to a Mf

The Final Fantasy vs TLoZ war flashback hit him hard

 

[Tyloxtus]

I was there. Skyward Sword, 55th battalion when the Tier 2 Final Fantasy revisions hit and the FF9 fans came hot on our tail. It looked like a blizzard, all those arrows and spells in the air. Not many of us made it out alive that day. /s

 

[Tyloxtus]

While we wait to for me to beat my keyboard with a stick until the revisions I feel like doing are done, the Light Force profile is embarrassing and should be either massively fixed or outright deleted.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Idk man, need more evidence at least, like Im not saying youre wrong but that clip is kind of hard to tell, but link me an example and give me the character's height and I can calc this for you quickly.

Here's a better image of the Shop Wall Mimic.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Not even sure why getting scans is such a big deal, they're the biggest thing people use in this god forsaken hobby when debating these characters.

Part of me kind of loves how we keep doing vs related stuff, yet we can't stop taking potshots at it.

 

[Dust_Collector]

We only take potshots at this hobby because we hate love it

 

[Tyloxtus]

Kid named 20 Hyrule Warriors characters to revise all by myself: