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Legend of Zelda General Discussion Thread

Asking again, do y'all think the Nintendo-sponsored Zelda oneshot of Critical Roll can get profiles? They're not canon and would only scale to their own feats, but does being sponsored make it official enough?
 
Age of Calamity's canonicty is debatable. Certain events don't track with what was established in BOTW and the creating a champion book (Like how Link first got the Master Sword years before he turned 17 whereas at the start of Age of Calamity he's 17 and still hasn't gotten it yet) so using feats from it and applying it to the main games is kinda iffy.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Age of Calamity's canonicty is debatable. Certain events don't track with what was established in BOTW and the creating a champion book (Like how Link first got the Master Sword years before he turned 17 whereas at the start of Age of Calamity he's 17 and still hasn't gotten it yet) so using feats from it and applying it to the main games is kinda iffy.
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All things considered, it's an alt timeline which given this is zelda but that doesn't mean what happens isn't reflective of the character's capabilities (mostly anyway, hestu be cooking). The feat in question is just dodging a guardian laserbeam, which is something within the scope of what Link should be able to do outside of gameplay limitations (Flurry Rush burst speed would be FTL if you compared it to a Guardian Beam if possible so there's that). Plus, there s FTL feats so it's not like it's higher than anything else i got 2c for a MM feat

Honestly, even the original HW is getting a bit swept under the rug in terms of utility, it's not even truly noncanon just a alternate dimension.

Obviously, it isn't that simple and the specifics need to be worked out, but I wouldn't say it's entirely unusable, we ultimately just need to be careful with it.
 
Dalesean027 said:
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Tears of The Kingdom Calc compilation 3

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0.13c (Relativistc)
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Speaking of storm calc me and Bambu discovered that there's a problem with Cumulonimbus average heights on the cloud page

Basically the average height of 8304 meters comes from nowhere

Bambu told me to go with the average height shown on the Wikipedia page which is 2100

It should bump the calc up a bit
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Speaking of storm calc me and Bambu discovered that there's a problem with Cumulonimbus average heights on the cloud page

Basically the average height of 8304 meters comes from nowhere

Bambu told me to go with the average height shown on the Wikipedia page which is 2100

It should bump the calc up a bit
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Oh damn welp that'll do
 
Also I think I worked out a minimum age for link in the new game

In Goron city someone (I can't remember who) says that Death Mountain dried up "a few year ago" so that places tears Link at at least 19
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Also I think I worked out a minimum age for link in the new game

In Goron city someone (I can't remember who) says that Death Mountain dried up "a few year ago" so that places tears Link at at least 19
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Well he's in his 20s due to children being born in tears who weren't even concieved let alone in the mothers bellys in botw, these kids are already like 4-5 years old so its been quite a time skip since botw
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Speaking of storm calc me and Bambu discovered that there's a problem with Cumulonimbus average heights on the cloud page

Basically the average height of 8304 meters comes from nowhere

Bambu told me to go with the average height shown on the Wikipedia page which is 2100

It should bump the calc up a bit
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Will definitely rework in with that in mind
 
Dalesean027 said:
Well he's in his 20s due to children being born in tears who weren't even concieved let alone in the mothers bellys in botw, these kids are already like 4-5 years old so its been quite a time skip since botw
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Do we know for certain that these children of other races age at the same rate as Hylians?

Do we know for certain what age they are other than based off of looks?

I don't think we do which is why this would serve as a maximum lowball (Also does this make Tears link the oldest version of link ever?)
 
Some of those children are Hylian, or at least mixed, such as Mattison.
Gerudo's also age more or less at the same rate as Hylians, Pearla from BOTW is also in her young teens now seemingly while she was a child the same as the new Gerudo children were in BOTW.

Only Zora's and Goron's age differently really (and that's because of the ****** up birthing process), Rito and Gerudo are basically the same.

Link is also of drinking age in TOTK (explicitly wasn't in BOTW and was told to come back when he's older), so he's at least 20 based off Japanese drinking standards.
 
Chariot190 said:
Some of those children are Hylian, or at least mixed, such as Mattison.
Gerudo's also age more or less at the same rate as Hylians, Pearla from BOTW is also in her young teens now seemingly while she was a child the same as the new Gerudo children were in BOTW.

Only Zora's and Goron's age differently really (and that's because of the ****** up birthing process), Rito and Gerudo are basically the same.

Link is also of drinking age in TOTK (explicitly wasn't in BOTW and was told to come back when he's older), so he's at least 20 based off Japanese drinking standards.
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So I guess 20 then
 
Chariot190 said:
Obviously, it isn't that simple and the specifics need to be worked out, but I wouldn't say it's entirely unusable, we ultimately just need to be careful with it.
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Yeah I think we eventually need to just go over everything and figure out what is and isn't unusable from the warriors games.
 
Well its named laser beam emitter and the description calls it a light beam and it still acts as a laser normally would and doesn't carry force so I'd say so

I wish the mirrors could reflect more than just sunlight though so we could test it like the mirrors can't even refract the light from spotlights and trust me I tried it all its only sunlight so we can even test is reflectivity
 
Dalesean027 said:
Well its named laser beam emitter and the description calls it a light beam and it still acts as a laser normally would and doesn't carry force so I'd say so

I wish the mirrors could reflect more than just sunlight though so we could test it
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I just got them and I'm thinking about testing some things

So the mirror's don't work on them?
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
I just got them and I'm thinking about testing some things

So the mirror's don't work on them?
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Nah they only work with sunlight unfortunately which seems like an oversight considering there are multiple light sorces in this game yet only one works
 
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Ganondorf would get creation and life manipulation too for creating new species of mosters correct
 
Dust_Collector said:
Yeah I think we eventually need to just go over everything and figure out what is and isn't unusable from the warriors games.
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The pot deflection scene from AoC was a reference to Daruk's diary in BotW. So that's likely useable.

Dunno about stuff like the Guardian unit.
 
Also since I'm on a Zelda binge I wanted to go over the known Zelda gods to stave off my need to read fanfiction theory craft. So on page 24 of the Encyclopedia, it states the following regarding Spirits
Rare spirits like the Ocean King (page 39) watch over entire worlds. Commanded by the goddesses, these and other spirits serve as connections between people and their creators, and even come to be worshiped as protective deities.
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So with the above we can come to this conclusion:
  • At the top are the Golden Goddesses
  • Spirits are seemingly divine intermediaries, with some being worshipped as protector gods under the Golden Goddesses
The GG are sorta weird though, since the Giant Turtle from MM says the following
Now I can continue resting in peace. I too must abide the laws of ancient times and again merely watch from my deep slumber. But the evil that haunts this land has not completely vanished, Link. I shall depart after enjoying Lulu's voice a bit longer. I think the gods can permit that. Hyeh, hyeh, hyeh.
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So with the above it looks like the GG have some weird strict non-interference or forced sleep policy enacted on these protector spirits that they're only allowed to break in a couple cases.

Anyways the main point I wanted is to list all the known beings either called a spirit or a god

So to go in any order:



  • Lynels (I'm not joking)
デスマウンテンに近づく者を撃退する守り神 . Legend of Zelda Manual page 30
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A guardian deity that repels those who approach Death Mountain.
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  • The Great Deku Tree (either in Hyrule or on other contients)
  • The various whales that protect the Zora
  • Volvagia
Residing within the Fire Temple in Ocarina of Time, Volvagia was a wicked dragon defeated by Link; in essence, it was the spirit of Death Mountain
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  • All the other "true" Dragons in the series (so no Gleeoks)
  • The Four Giants
  • A big Turtle
  • The Fierce Deity
  • The Moon of Termina
The moon has long been considered a mystical body, which people have worshiped and feared. That alone shows how the moon has a cosmic influence that affects our daily lives.
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  • The Light Spirits Lanayru, Ordona, Faron, and Eldin
  • The two Orbs you need to get in the Twilight Realm (tfw your guardian gods are balls)
That shining sphere illuminates this world. It's called a Sol. It's like the sun of your world, Link. The power of the Sol is the source of life in this world... It is pure power. Ah! As long as you have this... Would you take this Sol to the Twili at the entrance of this world? Please, Link! - Midna
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Amazing... The power of the Sols has been transferred to your sword... The guardian deities of my world are on our side, too! You really are the chosen one, Link... A true hero! As long as you have that sword, you should be able to repel the shadows Zant has spread!
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  • The Ocean King
  • The Fairy Spirits Ciela, Leaf, and Neri
  • Bellum
夢幻魔神 ベラムー / Dream Demon God Bellum
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Evil Dream God Bellum - Hyrule Historia page 132
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  • Vaati when he absorbs enough force to ascend into a Demon
魔神グフー / Demon God Vaati
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What... What is this madness? I have the power of a god! I have unstoppable might!!! How could I lose to a child?!?
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  • The Mountain Goddess of the Gorons
  • Hylia
  • The Horned Statue, Hylia's opposite god
  • Levias
  • A literal tree nut
  • The Wind Fish
  • The Goddess of Sands
  • The Goddess of Time
  • The Spirits of Seasons in Holodrum
  • Zephos, Cyclos and Cylos
  • The Spirits of Good from Spirit Tracks
  • Malanya the Horse God
  • The Seven Heroines of the Gerudo
It's dedicated to the seven giant statues of the heroines, said to be the divine protectors of the Gerudo
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  • ToTK Spoilers: The ancestors of the Zonai
Zelda has some of the largest variety of deities that I've seen.

But like, Zelda also has some of the weakest Gods I have ever seen. A literal Moblin can take down some of the deities in the above list. The gap in power is also seemingly just enormous. Like the Four Giants and the Ocean King could probably demolish the rest of the list (barring the Fierce Deity) in a conflict.

Finally, the most important question of all: Who would win? The Two Orbs from TP or the Holy Tree Nut from OoA?
 
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Final post of my weird rants: Majora.

In Japanese these are the names of the form
  • ムジュラの仮面 | Mask of Majora
  • ムジュラの化身 | Incarnation/Personification/Avatar of Majora
  • ムジュラの魔人 | Demon of Majora
So the first and second parts are easy. It's the Mask of Majora and the Avatar of Majora. But I wonder if the Demon of Majora would indicate a demon that serves Majora or just Majora's demon form. The old Zelda website would suggest the latter.

Majora's Mask​

Created ages ago by a long-forgotten race, Majora's Mask is a mysterious relic which holds unimaginable power. True evil is held within the mask, and whoever wears it is unable to resist the dark temptations which lurk deep within their minds. Majora's Mask, though, is just a physical symbol of the dark evil which hides beneath the surface. Link was able to defeat that evil force in Termina, but no one is certain that it is gone for good.

Majora's Incarnation​

When the evil power of Majora's Mask manifests itself in physical form, it is most comfortable existing as Majora's Incarnation. In this body, Majora possesses long skinny arms and legs with one all-seeing eye protruding from its body.

Majora's Wrath​

When the evil of Majora's Mask manifests itself, it first appears as Majora's Incarnation. When it can no longer contain itself in that body, it shows its true face: Majora's Wrath. In this form, Majora rages as a humanoid figure with extremely long tentacles protruding from each hand.

Source
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I said I was done but thag was a lie.

So since we accept the Termina Moon as being the moon now I wonder what the results would be. So to do math:
  • 384,400,000 meters (average Moon-Earth distance) / 72 hours / 60 minutes / 60 seconds = 1483.02469136 m/s
  • 0.5 * (7.34767309E+22) *
    1483.02469136^2 = 8.0800973553097E+28 Joules (19.3 Exatons)
But, Majora can speed this up. When you go to the top of the Clock Tower on Day 3 it'll pull the moon quicker. The absoutle fastest time is reducing 6 hours to impact to 5 minutes to impact:
  • 6 Hours * 60 Minutes * 60 Seconds = 21,600
  • 5 Minutes * 60 Seconds = 300
  • 21,600 / 300 = 72x faster
  • 72 * 1483.02469136 = 106,777.777778 m/s
Finally
  • 0.5 * (7.34767309E+22) * 106,777.777778^2 = 4.1887224689988E+32 Joules (100~ Zettatons)
TL;DR Majora > Casual Ganondorf in moon reps
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Also since I'm on a Zelda binge I wanted to go over the known Zelda gods to stave off my need to read fanfiction theory craft. So on page 24 of the Encyclopedia, it states the following regarding Spirits

So with the above we can come to this conclusion:
  • At the top are the Golden Goddesses
  • Spirits are seemingly divine intermediaries, with some being worshipped as protector gods under the Golden Goddesses
The GG are sorta weird though, since the Giant Turtle from MM says the following

So with the above it looks like the GG have some weird strict non-interference or forced sleep policy enacted on these protector spirits that they're only allowed to break in a couple cases.

Anyways the main point I wanted is to list all the known beings either called a spirit or a god

So to go in any order:



  • Lynels (I'm not joking)


  • The Great Deku Tree (either in Hyrule or on other contients)
  • The various whales that protect the Zora
  • Volvagia

  • All the other "true" Dragons in the series (so no Gleeoks)
  • The Four Giants
  • A big Turtle
  • The Fierce Deity
  • The Moon of Termina

  • The Light Spirits Lanayru, Ordona, Faron, and Eldin
  • The two Orbs you need to get in the Twilight Realm (tfw your guardian gods are balls)


  • The Ocean King
  • The Fairy Spirits Ciela, Leaf, and Neri
  • Bellum


  • Vaati when he absorbs enough force to ascend into a Demon


  • The Mountain Goddess of the Gorons
  • Hylia
  • The Horned Statue, Hylia's opposite god
  • Levias
  • A literal tree nut
  • The Wind Fish
  • The Goddess of Sands
  • The Goddess of Time
  • The Spirits of Seasons in Holodrum
  • Zephos, Cyclos and Cylos
  • The Spirits of Good from Spirit Tracks
  • Malanya the Horse God
  • The Seven Heroines of the Gerudo

  • ToTK Spoilers: The ancestors of the Zonai
Zelda has some of the largest variety of deities that I've seen.

But like, Zelda also has some of the weakest Gods I have ever seen. A literal Moblin can take down some of the deities in the above list. The gap in power is also seemingly just enormous. Like the Four Giants and the Ocean King could probably demolish the rest of the list (barring the Fierce Deity) in a conflict.
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I don't think I need to mention this, but like page 1 to about 40 or something of Encyclopedia is noncanon city.

It's entirely Dark Horse's interpretation of such things and there's even a disclosure that it's basically just their personal opinion and it's subject to change at a drop of hat. Some of it is blatantly obvious, like the low 2-C Majora shit that is directly contradicted by that very same game as well as more reliable sources like ******* Eiji himself or Japanese guides.
That isn't to say none of it is usable, and a good chunk is just regurgitated information (which they luckily cite the original source in the glossary), but some of what they say do be sussy frfr.
Finally, the most important question of all: Who would win? The Two Orbs from TP or the Holy Tree Nut from OoA?
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The holy nut tree obviously? I can't believe TP orb wank has gotten this extreme smh.
Qawsedf234 said:
So since we accept the Termina Moon as being the moon now I wonder what the results would be. So to do math:
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We don't, it's actually the exact opposite. It was rejected as being an actual moon 😥
Majora can casually buff it even further though, when it ditches Skull Kid, it makes the moon go from a standstill to overwhelming the combined might of the four giants who literally just stopped it. With the big ass hardcover guide even saying it "strengthened the moon's descent".
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I said I was done but thag was a lie.

So since we accept the Termina Moon as being the moon now I wonder what the results would be. So to do math:
  • 384,400,000 meters (average Moon-Earth distance) / 72 hours / 60 minutes / 60 seconds = 1483.02469136 m/s
  • 0.5 * (7.34767309E+22) *
    1483.02469136^2 = 8.0800973553097E+28 Joules (19.3 Exatons)
But, Majora can speed this up. When you go to the top of the Clock Tower on Day 3 it'll pull the moon quicker. The absoutle fastest time is reducing 6 hours to impact to 5 minutes to impact:
  • 6 Hours * 60 Minutes * 60 Seconds = 21,600
  • 5 Minutes * 60 Seconds = 300
  • 21,600 / 300 = 72x faster
  • 72 * 1483.02469136 = 106,777.777778 m/s
Finally
  • 0.5 * (7.34767309E+22) * 106,777.777778^2 = 4.1887224689988E+32 Joules (100~ Zettatons)
TL;DR Majora > Casual Ganondorf in moon reps
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😭😭bruh Ganondorf just had his big day in tears why is he getting AP cooked like this
 
Chariot190 said:
1 to about 40 or something of Encyclopedia is noncanon city.
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Afaik the guardian deity thing, while clarified in that guide, has plenty of backing in the source material itself.

Chariot190 said:
The holy nut tree obviously? I can't believe TP orb wank has gotten this extreme smh
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I'm glad someone finally had the courage to say it tbh

Chariot190 said:
We don't, it's actually the exact opposite. It was rejected as being an actual moon
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It was accepted at some point since everyone's Class E lifting strength comes from that.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Afaik it was accepted at some point since everyone's Class E lifting strength comes from that.
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Yeah we actually have to change that, we just haven't because calcing hard please understand. We gotta cook up replacement calcs.
I have the giants covered, but idk what we doing about ganon lads
 
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